3 Fingered Mummy Found in NAZCA Peru

originally posted by: Wolfenz
but both kinda preserved the body in some way ,

In very different ways. One was done by natural drying, the other was done by multiple chemical processes. One removed the organs and preserved them, the others didn't.

Similar as look at the braids ( yet Oceans Apart )

Braids are a "non-starter"... any people who wove cloth also wove hair into braids.

what I see is Similarities yet Oceans and time frames apart ..
a close connection in some partial way

You can find similarities because we're all human. The question is "were they developed there or did someone give them to these people?" For instance, people learned to make beer AFTER they learned to make bread. They all learned breadmaking at different times and used different plants. If they had all learned making beer from the Intergalactic Craft Beer Association, they would be using the same plants (transported) and same vessels and same cooking methods and producing the same or similar beers.

could there be some truth too the Ancient Transatlantic Routes ,
or One way trip and settlements of some kind, between Sumerian , INDIA , Indonesian
and Mexico to South America ,

First.... you can reach India from Sumeria by simply walking next door. It's the country next to Sumeria. Indonesia is close to India. There are multicultural influences all throughout that area... and all over Europe. They arrive in the cultures at different times and depending on situation (for example, people borrowing.... and people being conquered. Two entirely different ways to get the culture.

So in the case of "Indonesian dragons" and Central American Serpent deities, I should point out that
* you're only showing the heads of these beings and not their bodies, etc
* both areas had snakes
* the Indonesian dragon is from a culture right next to China (dragons) and Japan (dragons) and India (nagas) and crocodile-infested water and looks more like crocodile/Chinese/Japanese/dragons and kirin and Indian nagas than it does any Central American figure.

similar Binding , hieroglyphic writing style , astronomy there could of been a sea traveler spreading knowledge

No similar binding method... even different materials. The Pervuians didn't have heiroglyphs and the Mayans/Incans/Aztec hieroglyphs are so different from Egyptian and Sumerian that they're unreadable to those of us who can read Egyptian and Sumerian. As to astronomy, the Egyptians were pretty bad astronomers... the Sumerians were excellent and it was only the Mayans who were good at astronomy.... 2,000 years after the Ssumerians died out.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Heliocentric
Only people who have NOT studied the mummies and not seen the any of the scans and test results say it's fake.

So, half a dozen MDs who have studied the mummies state they are authentic mummies and authentic biological entities (without claiming to know what they are), and an unknown number of anonymous people with unknown credentials who have not studied the mummies claim it's a fake.

What are we to do with that? Take it seriously or ridicule it?

We'll see. Now it appears that multiple mummies are getting in the act. I'd like to see something (not a video) on each mummy ... something presented to a conference of peers and not presented to a UFO organization.

I totaly agree with you Byrd ,

Im just waiting ... and on the fence till there more evidence and more updates about this

originally posted by: Byrd

We'll see. Now it appears that multiple mummies are getting in the act. I'd like to see something (not a video) on each mummy ... something presented to a conference of peers and not presented to a UFO organization.

I'm not asking you to take what I'm saying at face value, I'm asking you to keep your scientific cool and approach the subject as objectively as you can, nothing more.

Yes, there are multiple mummies in the act. This whole thing emanates from a tomb robber named Mario, who came across a tomb complex somewhere in southern Peru. According to Mario, More than twenty mummies have been extracted so far, together with mummified remains (decapitated heads, hands, brains, hearts) and various objects in stone and metal.
Mario has sold an unknown amount of these objects to friends and various collectors, one of them being Paul Ronceros aka kravix999, a member of a Biblical UFO cult named Alpha y Omega.
It seems like Mario sold Paul the low-end objects in his collection. Paul has (had?) in his possession an odd stick figure like being 21 cm/8.2 inch high, some small heads of unknown species and a three digit hand. Paul was the first to expose these objects as 'alien mummies' in online videos. Paul's stick figure seems to be a composite work of various bones made to look like a tiny humanoid. Perhaps it was a doll, or a religious, symbolic object. The heads are of unknown species, the three fingered hand of unknown species is crushed (probably from the trauma cutting it). These objects are probably from the supposed tomb complex, but they have not been studied in a controlled environment.

Mario has sold or leased four complete or near-complete mummies, four mummified brains, a three digit hand and two small heads to a Peruvian association named the Inkari Institute. The four mummies and the mummified remains have undergone a number of studies and tests at various hospitals and clinics in Cusco, Peru from November 2016 to April 2017 (see my thread for details: www.abovetopsecret.com...) and are so far considered genuine, unaltered anatomical beings of unknown species by all MDs and specialists in various domains who have studied them. These MDs, Forensic Experts, Biologists, etc have credentials that can be verified.

Debunkers have so far concentrated on Paul's stick figure to prove that this is all a hoax, since it seems fabricated. But the cat is out of the bag, and a small community of scientists and researchers have formed around the Inkari Institute mummies for continued research. The 11th of July, C-14 and DNA results from a number of different laboratories will be published, and that's really where a larger scientific community will get its first chance to react to the finds.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Wolfenz

but both kinda preserved the body in some way ,
In very different ways. One was done by natural drying, the other was done by multiple chemical processes. One removed the organs and preserved them, the others didn't.

Wolfenz_ yeah but the Peruvians/INCA/NAZCA only stopped in the last centuries removing the Organs
as what iv read ,

Similar as look at the braids ( yet Oceans Apart )
Braids are a "non-starter"... any people who wove cloth also wove hair into braids.

Wolfenz - well yeah , but as that fine ? of a Braid ?

Wolfenz - just as my Belief as a one Culture Civilization around the Arctic Circle , From the SAMIS ( lap landers )
, Inuits , and Cree's have a similar lifestyle

what I see is Similarities yet Oceans and time frames apart ..
a close connection in some partial way

You can find similarities because we're all human. The question is "were they developed there or did someone give them to these people?" For instance, people learned to make beer AFTER they learned to make bread. They all learned breadmaking at different times and used different plants. If they had all learned making beer from the Intergalactic Craft Beer Association, they would be using the same plants (transported) and same vessels and same cooking methods and producing the same or similar beers.

Wolfenz- a 3rd party came into the Area , and taught, is a good guess SEA PEOPLE ?

but there is Building technic that are very similar what is in the Old World BYRD , Pour Metal Brackets
to hold large stone together , irregular Stones , interlocking intentionally, for better strength & Stability,
through out Pre Columbia , stone work carvings like the Egyptians and Indians ( india ) , are just the very few
The Ancient Transatlantic travel is possible ,

Well ....

Where Is Punt?
Despite heaps of evidence and decades of debate, scholars are not certain where or even what ancient Punt was. Why?
www.pbs.org...

could there be some truth too the Ancient Transatlantic Routes ,
or One way trip and settlements of some kind, between Sumerian , INDIA , Indonesian
and Mexico to South America ,

First.... you can reach India from Sumeria by simply walking next door. It's the country next to Sumeria. Indonesia is close to India. There are multicultural influences all throughout that area... and all over Europe. They arrive in the cultures at different times and depending on situation (for example, people borrowing.... and people being conquered. Two entirely different ways to get the culture.
So in the case of "Indonesian dragons" and Central American Serpent deities, I should point out that
* you're only showing the heads of these beings and not their bodies, etc
* both areas had snakes
* the Indonesian dragon is from a culture right next to China (dragons) and Japan (dragons) and India (nagas) and crocodile-infested water and looks more like crocodile/Chinese/Japanese/dragons and kirin and Indian nagas than it does any Central American figure.

Wolfenz - and you just cant admit they look similar ? surprised you don't see the similarities
i see them quite fine



well there was a artwork design that went viral allover the world back in the 20s & 1930s
and that was called ART DECO , and that is probably what we see in the Ancient World
is their version of a art deco ..

Art Deco
en.wikipedia.org...


I hope you understand what im getting at now,

similar Binding , hieroglyphic writing style , astronomy there could of been a sea traveler spreading knowledge
No similar binding method... even different materials. The Pervuians didn't have heiroglyphs and the Mayans/Incans/Aztec hieroglyphs are so different from Egyptian and Sumerian that they're unreadable to those of us who can read Egyptian and Sumerian. As to astronomy, the Egyptians were pretty bad astronomers... the Sumerians were excellent and it was only the Mayans who were good at astronomy.... 2,000 years after the Ssumerians died out.

Sorry i was referring in the old world in general about the binding
Wolfenz- ahh the Incas didn't have Hieroglyphs only rope knotting, for a written language

wolfenz - of course you cant translate im talking about writing through pictures a pictograph more like it

is the technique that what im talking about Byrd ,, for a written language,

a reply to: Heliocentric

The whole story sounds much like hoaxes of the past... a mysterious person, mysterious artifacts, no dig team unearthing them, jumble of evidence, conflating things with other discoveries.

I'll wait, but the more that's revealed the more it sounds like a showpiece designed to sell tours or a speculative show like "Mysterious Mermaids" or "Sharknado!"

Just some brief points... sorry, tired tonight and traveling tomorrow:

"Preserving the body" isn't actually the same thing across cultures. Some mummies are smoked and technically our modern deceased might be considered mummies. So would bog bodies. If you're showing cultural things they would have to have the same coffins, the same bindings, and the same type of preservation and process... and gods of the dead. Peru doesn't have Osiris and Anubis and Amnut and Maat.

Wolfenz - just as my Belief as a one Culture Civilization around the Arctic Circle , From the SAMIS ( lap landers )
, Inuits , and Cree's have a similar lifestyle

Mostly because this is fairly modern evidence and the environments were the same and there was a trade network there.

Wolfenz- a 3rd party came into the Area , and taught, is a good guess SEA PEOPLE ?

No, not a good guess. If you look up Sea Peoples you will find that they existed around the time of Ramesses II (New Kingdom.)

but there is Building technic that are very similar what is in the Old World BYRD , Pour Metal Brackets
to hold large stone together , irregular Stones , interlocking intentionally, for better strength & Stability,
through out Pre Columbia , stone work carvings like the Egyptians and Indians ( india ) , are just the very few
The Ancient Transatlantic travel is possible ,

They're from VERY different times. Nor are the stone carvings like Egypt or India (other than they're carving stones and their statues include people.)

Pyramids aren't very unique or special. Flying buttresses are, yes. But pyramids, no.

Where Is Punt?
Despite heaps of evidence and decades of debate, scholars are not certain where or even what ancient Punt was. Why?
www.pbs.org...

Not a good argument. You've forgotten to ask "WHEN was Punt." The first references are from after the time of Khufu (Great Pyramid.)

Wolfenz - and you just cant admit they look similar ? surprised you don't see the similarities
i see them quite fine

Probably because I've hand anthropology and art history (not knocking you here) and have been trained to look for "what makes this style different from others." So a picture of an Olmec head might look like something from India or Egypt or even Poland, but if you've taken art and culture classes you see how different styles define each country and time period.

well there was a artwork design that went viral allover the world back in the 20s & 1930s
and that was called ART DECO , and that is probably what we see in the Ancient World
is their version of a art deco ..

Actually, if you study the art of a culture, it's pretty easy to tell when they're borrowing. Greece (thanks to Alexander the Great) had a big influence on one area of India (and vice-versa)... and when you look at the art of that area over time and others in the area, it's easy to spot. Korea had a type of pottery ("Celadon") that was valuable and eventually imitated...and you can tell real Korean celadon from fakes if you know what you're supposed to see.

There's a lot of "Egyptian artifacts" on Ebay that are modern fakes and look nothing like the real stuff... but you'd only know this if you saw a lot of it in museums.

I'm old as dirt and I've seen a lot of stuff.

wolfenz - of course you cant translate im talking about writing through pictures a pictograph more like it

Oh dear... yes, another subject I do know something about. Pictographs aren't the same as hieroglyphs. PIctographs aren't exactly writing but a sort of pre-writing. Maya hieroglyphs are really different from Egyptian hieroglyphs - and neither of those are pictographs.

I'm a lot of trouble tonight, aren't I?

See you in a few days. I'm off to (among other things) play tourist at the ARICEBO telescope.

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: Heliocentric

The whole story sounds much like hoaxes of the past... a mysterious person, mysterious artifacts, no dig team unearthing them, jumble of evidence, conflating things with other discoveries.

I'll wait, but the more that's revealed the more it sounds like a showpiece designed to sell tours or a speculative show like "Mysterious Mermaids" or "Sharknado!"

But that is the kind of thing that always happens when Ph.D. academics and doctors are too cowardly to investigate any artifact or archaeological find that they judge is anomalous because it appears to contradict scientific orthodoxy. Don't blame the circus of amateur investigators and publicity seekers. Blame scientists who constantly shy away from ANYTHING whose investigation might threaten their careers or reputations.

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: Heliocentric

The whole story sounds much like hoaxes of the past... a mysterious person, mysterious artifacts, no dig team unearthing them, jumble of evidence, conflating things with other discoveries.

It doesn't matter what it sounds like, what matters is what the research and the technical data tells you. If a number of experts claim they can prove that the painting you bought at a flea market is a genuine Picasso, why assume the experts have false credentials and the painting is a fake - without even checking - simply because it sounds too good to be true?

originally posted by: Byrd
I'll wait, but the more that's revealed the more it sounds like a showpiece designed to sell tours or a speculative show like "Mysterious Mermaids" or "Sharknado!"

Once again, I'm not asking you to make up your mind in favor of my opinion, I'm asking you to adapt your approach from a "It sounds like something I heard about and it was a hoax therefore this is hoax" biased reasoning to a more scientific approach. Why not listen to the MDs and their statements, and weigh that into the picture? I assume that you can tell a real MD presenting a medical analysis of an anatomical body and an actor reading lines apart.

just to update:


From GAIA

Update 3: Examination of a New Body
www.gaia.com...



Apparently two differnt Labs got the same type of reults in carbon dating

and in the Update ( 3) Aparently they have now a Newer Body to examine

originally posted by: Wolfenz


just to update:


From GAIA

Update 3: Examination of a New Body
www.gaia.com...



Apparently two differnt Labs got the same type of reults in carbon dating

and in the Update ( 3) Aparently they have now a Newer Body to examine

It's just a teaser, the reveal of the mummy will probably be in the pay section.

The mummy in question is Victoria, here's a sloppy X-ray of Victoria and a basic description:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Two labs plus three more (two North Americvan labs and one Mexican), so five laboratories in total agree on the age of the mummy Maria.

originally posted by: Heliocentric

... Dr. Julio Espejo Torres, bone specialist) ...

This is the Facebook page for Julio Espejo Torres.

He appears to be the commercial manager of an insurance company in Cuzco.

It doesn't say anything about him being a bone specialist.

Well Here is some Updates


well this is Quite Interesting !!

from GAIA ( the Videos ) and there Free no membership Requirement

UPDate 4 Smaller Bodies Revealed
www.gaia.com...

ok from the Video the White Powder that covering these Mummies is claimed to be

DIATOMACEPOUS EARTH.. not Plaster .. lol

what it contains : Quartz , blue green Amiphbole , playgioclase, Ditoms,

any who ....

more bizarre the rest of the video clearly showing xrays , so do a lot of Pausing ! Screen capture!


need someone here with x-ray expertise and someone that is Specialized in Bones !

BYRD!!! what ya think about these Smaller Body's ??

well I pause it where it showed the 3 finger hand in the x rays and i see no multiple bone Carpels
and very strange rib cage ,


click to enlarge



The Skull of the Small Mummified Being


click to enlarge



The Body with a metal Piece along the chest


click to enlarge




Take some notes ATS!! and tell me what you think of it ?

to add : There is two Examiner's that are l talking about the body
of the difference between this creature and a Human seem like both are
telling like it is , like its mouth is pretty much useless and lacking a carpel ( wrist bones ) in the hand
and one bone instead of two in the forearm, so it seems, like they themselves are baffled ...

There is a lot of Questions , and slight Answers !

but I Still waiting for the DNA results to come forward!

a Must see video..

a reply to: Wolfenz

Headed to bed... will look at it later, but yes the rib cage is wrong. The skull looks rather like a cat skull, however I'm not a radiologist.

a reply to: Byrd

a reply to: Wolfenz

Nazca Bodies

I've been waiting for you to show Byrd

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Byrd

a reply to: Wolfenz

Nazca Bodies

I've been waiting for you to show Byrd

What I see suggests that someone (or several people) are not revealing the truth. I see skeletons that are anatomically impossible (bone joints that could not work and pelvic bones that are clearly not from a biped) and reports from mysterious labs and bodies that are apparently being hidden somewhere and are not acknowledged by the government and may have been obtained in illegal digs...

... and that last bit is very very odd.

Artifacts belong to the government (this is standard rule anywhere you go... it's not a treasure hunt.) It's pretty standard for a government to announce a major find (the cultural ministries promote them since they promote the country.) Mummies can be even more of a problem since, technically, these are the bodies of people who lived in that country.

If it's an illegal dig, why hasn't the government pounced on this very visible group? If it's a legal dig, where's the documentation?

Additionally, I don't see the other "standard" things that are done by academics to prove that they're not just making the whole thing up. This group seems to use Youtube as their forum - but archaeologists and paleontologists take their material to scientific conferences and let the very VERY skeptical scientists into the debate. They document with field reports where and how the artifacts were collected, and these are also public if you know where to find them.

Here we have a number of what we are told are bodies presented for YouTube. The ones agreeing with them (supposedly) are their hired specialists from organizations that don't seem to have a lot of reality to them (these organizations could easily be "someone's bedroom in their house" instead of "a whole department at a university".)

I think you said in your intro to the other thread that archaeologists and anatomists elsewhere think that these are hoaxes. I don't see anything that would convince me otherwise.

a reply to: Byrd

thanks brother...

was looking for someone to confirm what i thought was obvious, but i know nothing of the subject

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Byrd

thanks brother...

was looking for someone to confirm what i thought was obvious, but i know nothing of the subject

My personal opinions are harsher, but I prefer to maintain a more moderate tone - and again, I'm not a radiologist. There were some things about the vertebra that looked 'off' and some things about the legs that looked 'off' as well. But I am not prepared to make that part of my stance because I'm a little unsure of what I'm seeing.

a reply to: Byrd

As always, you make reasonable and informed points.

Unfortunately, many aren't listening and have fallen under the spell of x-rays, scientific-sounding terminology and the lure of 'MDs.' They don't believe their own eyes anymore.

Thanks for the Reply Byrd ,

pretty much skeptical ,

Not Human , Not Mammel , Not Reptile ,

But what i compare this so called Small Being

is when you focus on the limbs the Forearm!

Humans ( primates ) and Reptiles have two bones in the Forearm

but for a Aphibian Scpeacies ( not so Much ) like a Frog for example

the whole bone structure is way out of whack ,
and lot of fishy stuff ,

I can see WHY ,, they dont want too disclose the Locations of this so called tomb ..

it would be a treasure hunt , or it could be Fake

So what we got here is a being with.....

A head like a CAT,
Torso like a Snake ,
Limbs of a Amphibian ( frog )
Long Neck like E.T from the Movie .. LOL
3 Fingers with no Carpal in the hands and No Tarsal in the Feet
Absent ,

So to me it Sounds like PT Barnum's

Side Show Freaks

but ill Stay on the fence i dont want too Rule this Out just yet!


this being kinda reminds me of the underwater Ocean Alien from the movie Abyss ..




Probely the Guy that did this if its a hoax, liked the Movie Abyss

BYRD!!!! here is a video ( only posted for the clarity of the x rays
the focal point im trying to make

what do you think >


A closer look on the X-rays

from a different source other then GAIA

although its all in Spanish


was Posted in March on youtube

Mummified body x-ray analyzes
www.youtube.com...

Cusco, March 8, 2017. Dr. Edson Salazar Vivanco analyzes the radiographs of a strange biological entity. He gives his first analysis.