New study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes

a reply to: D8Tee

LOL - even a stoopid low information aussie on the other side of the planet, who apparently has no right to talk about anything American, can see that this new study ain't new - it's old news.

Sock-puppets and dead folks gave Obama his throne and gave Hillary every single vote she actually got - if that triggers you, tough sh!t.

Did you guys look into the 1.1 TByte dataleak with ALL the voters data?

You "could" go around and take a look if there are illegals in that mount of data.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: missed_gear

You can't vote without some form of ID.
I've never voted where they didn't check and because I just voted Tuesday in a local primary it's fresh in my mind. They ask you to state your address while they confirm it on a computer and they look at your license or ID card. I also had my voter registration card out just because...
The lady was like " yeah you're all prepared" I said " I don't mess around when it comes to voting".

Silly - do you wake up each day and decided which specific BS you are going to pull out of your a**S?

There are 19 states in the US that do not require ANY DOCUMENT for you to produce in order to vote. There are another 12 states that REQUEST ID but do not require ID. You are 100% wrong. There are only 7 states out of 50 that have a strict photo ID requirement. Did I mention you were wrong? But hey...good thing you don't mess around when it comes to voting but I guess you do when it comes to being an informed citizen of your country right?



And of the states that REQUEST some form of ID it is just that only. A request only. It is not a requirement. Then there is the very grey area of strict vs non-strict verification.



This is a broken system primed for fraud. Anyone thinking there are not illegal aliens out there casting illegal votes are willfully ignorant people.

a reply to: D8Tee

Ah, yes. So this is where I come for the discourse?

originally posted by: johnnyhuman
a reply to: D8Tee

Ah, yes. So this is where I come for the discourse?

This is the place to add your opinions, comments and join in on the debate, yep.

a reply to: D8Tee

No doubt,we have that problem in California,with the crooked Democrats destroying the state,it is real easy to cheat as this has been exposed,the same ones who say it isn't true are same ones who say Trump is in cahoots with Russia,liberals only listen to what they want,yes there was illegal voting,to deny it is to show ignorance

a reply to: D8Tee

No doubt,we have that problem in California,with the crooked Democrats destroying the state,it is real easy to cheat as this has been exposed,the same ones who say it isn't true are same ones who say Trump is in cahoots with Russia,liberals only listen to what they want,yes there was illegal voting,to deny it is to show ignorance

a reply to: theantediluvian

what's sad/funny is your crew of tr-haters being against this is stupid. If the report is tainted, and bad information comes out, then what will happen? Some laws that don't effect anything will be enacted. They will prevent the illegals that you claim didn't vote from voting. Since you are sure they didn't vote, what the hell is the issue?

This is one of those instances that if you shut up, you don't look like a dishonest idiot, but if you run your flapper, well, you know.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Greven

Ok Ill do this.

The article shows that 7 omething million illegals were registered in 2008 and

Mr. Agresti’s analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted.

www.washingtontimes.com...

So Yes, the 5.7 s the high estimation.

Your claims about verified voting being required is answered by the article.

First, why would someone lie and say they were a non citizen and voted? And why do you not take into account that people may have lied who said they were non citizens that didnt vote?

Which group would be more likely to lie?

First, the critics assume that people who stated “I definitely voted” and specifically identified a choice of candidate did not vote—unless Catalist verified that they voted. This is illogical, because Catalist is unlikely to verify respondents who use fraudulent identities, and millions of non-citizens use them.

This is shown in a 2013 investigation by the U.S. Social Security Administration, which found that about 1.8 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 by using a Social Security number “that did not match their name.” Furthermore, the study found that another 0.7 million illegal immigrants worked in 2010 with Social Security numbers that they obtained by using “fraudulent birth certificates.” Notably, a Social Security number is a common requirement for voter registration.

The Harvard survey and Catalist data evince such identity fraud, because 90% of all survey respondents were matched by Catalist, while most non-citizen respondents were not. In the 2008 and 2012 surveys, only 41% and 43% of non-citizens were matched by Catalist respectively. These low match rates are revealing given that the Catalist database contains reams of data on “more than 240 million unique voting-age individuals.” This amounts to 98% of the 245 million adults who live in the U.S.

Hence, to ignore all votes not matched by Catalist will ensure that most non-citizens are excluded. This is especially true of those who fraudulently use a Social Security number, who are the very same people who have an open door to voting.

www.justfactsdaily.com...

And for anyone on the fence, your range of possible non citizen voters starts at zero. That is clearly not a reaonable assumption.

Applying this 11.2% figure to the Census Bureau’s estimate of 19.4 million adult non-citizens in the U.S., this amounts to 2.2 million non-citizens who voted illegally in the 2008 election. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a maximum of 2.8 million non-citizens voted in 2008.

On the low side, the authors noted that only five non-citizens who said they voted were recorded in the Catalist database as voting. If these were the only people who voted, it would mean that 1.5% (5/339) of non-citizens voted. Applied to 19.4 million adult non-citizens, this amounts to 290,000 votes. After weighting these results and accounting for margins of error, the authors estimated that a bare minimum of 38,000 non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.

Using other data from the survey, the authors refined their high and low estimates to produce a “best guess” that 6.4% or 1.2 million non-citizens cast votes in 2008. The survey also showed that 81.8% of non-citizen voters reported that they voted for Obama.

from same source as above.

You can massage the numbers all you want. The fact is, 11.2% of non citizens claimed they voted. Even at the low number of those verified on Catalist, that is still 1.5% which would be 38,00 illegal votes, which is an astonishing number that needs investigated.

Now as far as is it fare to extrapolate this survey to national numbers, I share your concern and have said so in this thread.

That is why I asked for another study showing low numbers of illegal voting, but I have yet to see one.

Hey that 7.9 million votes number looks familiar. Where do you think it's from? Oh yeah! It's from their equation that I just showed you they can't even calculate right. In the post you quoted!

Stop quoting the article based on the source for the article I keep quoting as if it backs the source up.

For anyone on the fence I used their equation with the number of verified non-citizen voters, which is how the low bounds range was 0. We could say that it was at least that many - 16 - instead of 0.

Instead, they want to claim that 339 / 32,800 is a perfectly fine sample of non-citizens. They also want to claim that 27 / 339 is representative of the amount of non-citizen self-reported voters AND another 27 / 339 is representative of unreported non-citizen voters that actually voted. The problem with these claims is that the total verified non-citizen voters amounted to 16 / 339 - which is a lot less than 54 / 339.

I've shown you the numbers behind their claims. I've shown you why it breaks down. Argue against that instead of regurgitating the article that is based on these numbers I show.

You want to talk about massaging numbers? 11.2% of the 1% of respondents who said they were non-citizens claimed to have voted or were verified to vote (27 claimed to have voted, while an additional 11 were found to have voted = 38), but 4.7% of those were verified to have voted (11 unreported and verified + 5 reported and verified). 16 of 32,800 respondents in an online survey were verified to be non-citizen voters.

As to finding other studies, frankly I've not had the time to track them down - I've been extraordinarily busy working long hours due to a crunch and I'm off to work once again.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: buster2010
We are still waiting for proof of those three million illegals that voted in the last election. A panel headed up by the VP? That is pretty stupid the person heading in should be neutral not already obligated to do what Trump wants.

How about proof that there wasn't three million illegal voters?

That's how the left operates with their accusations....

You can't prove a negative, to ask someone to do reveals a level of stupidity usually best kept hidden.

Howabout though if these illegal voters do exist and did vote, how do you know who they voted for?

Surely Trump would be desperate to boast more illegal voters voted for him than for any other candidate in the history of like forever because they are all wonderful people?

Its funny the same people that were crying about national IDs (which would prevent what this GOP funded/ran study is out to prove) are now pushing to force people to get IDs.

originally posted by: Pyle
Its funny the same people that were crying about national IDs (which would prevent what this GOP funded/ran study is out to prove) are now pushing to force people to get IDs.

It's one thing to force all citizens to have to have national IDs (or else...) - and another to make national IDs a mandatory requirement in order to vote.

a reply to: D8Tee

It's amazing how people love the media when it prints something they like. The rest of the time though, all media is garbage. Gotta love that consistency.

A dam no brainer when they (illegal immigrants) were even told by a sitting President aka Obummer to go out and vote. Most insane 8 years of idiotocracy I have ever witnessed.

a reply to: D8Tee
Between 500,000 and 6,000,000 or 30,000 and 3,000,000...those are some massive margins of error. Also most illegals are Latino, and Trump did better with Latinos then Romney did, so WTF are we talking about here?

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: D8Tee
Between 500,000 and 6,000,000 or 30,000 and 3,000,000...those are some massive margins of error. Also most illegals are Latino, and Trump did better with Latinos then Romney did, so WTF are we talking about here?

Oh please, the study says over 80% of non citizens that voted voted democrat.

And lets just take the low number, 30,000. Don't you think that is a massive amount of illegal voting that should be investigated and dealt with?

a reply to: D8Tee
One person that dodged the draft voting for another person that dodged the draft. That's a new one.

Most of the illegal voters in the US are in California.

That is a fact jack, people may don't like it but with the right to have drivers license given to illegals that is their door to voting with the lax registration laws they have.

a reply to: Grambler
Well 30% of Latinos voted for Trump. And that study is by a self proclaimed conservative libertarian think tank. So someone is lying.

Hmm, illegals voting is a problem. But if they care enough to vote, then they probably have jobs,families and pay taxes. I mean Americans don't care enough to vote, so not really bothered by it. The more important issue is the illegal immigrants being there, but you need them for all the jobs Americans don't want to do or else American farms will collapse because no one can afford the workers if they're citizens. So no one knows what to do lol

In fact, if all these illegal immigrants voted, that's impressive. 1/25 Americans are part of the judicial system and as a result can't vote. That's around 6 million American citizens who are barred from voting. 40% of eligible voters didn't vote in the last election and those are apparently good numbers for America. And that's not including all the various American colonies around the world where millions of people are given American citizenry but are not allowed to vote. Taxation without representation.

The life of an illegal immigrant is hard, they're breaking the law just walking around. If they're willing to risk everything to vote, while the rest of America doesn't vote or is barred from voting, well that is some inspirational American sh*t lol. They want to be part of the system, that's admirable in the face of so many citizens who can't or won't vote.