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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Sillyolme
You can't vote without some form of ID.
I live in Pennsylvania and have never been required to show my ID. They tried to pass a voter ID law, but it was struck down, and wasn't appealed.
New York Times
A man that I work with went to vote with his son and found that someone else had already voted using their names. They were allowed to vote, but someone else voted for them illegally.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: UKTruth
I'm completely fine with VP Pence leading an investigation. I don't want non-citizens voting in our elections anymore than I want Putin meddling in them. This isn't that though.
In this 2008 survey of 32,800 respondents, 339 identified themselves as non-citizens, and 38 of these non-citizens checked a box that said “I definitely voted” in the 2008 general election or were recorded in the Catalist database as voting in that election. At face value, this means that 11.2% (38/339) of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.
originally posted by: toolgal462
Because illegals will always vote Democrat. That's why they defend them even though they are committing a federal crime just by being in the US, let alone voting in one of our elections. Also why the Democrats are against "the border wall" and the travel ban.
a reply to: TobyFlenderson
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: toolgal462
Because illegals will always vote Democrat. That's why they defend them even though they are committing a federal crime just by being in the US, let alone voting in one of our elections. Also why the Democrats are against "the border wall" and the travel ban.
a reply to: TobyFlenderson
Bingo - Democrats don't care about illegal immigrants at all, they care about their votes. You can bet that if illegals voted in favour of Republicans, then Democrats would be all for deportations and immigration bans. The sad thing is that if that were the case, Republicans would be all for open borders and amnesty.
The Democrat strategy for changing the demographics of the country to help them win elections was set in motion nearly half a century ago.
originally posted by: Grambler
For starters, this doesn't seem to be as new as the Washington Times implies. Here is the link to what I think is the study from December 2016.
www.justfactsdaily.com...
It seems as if the study heavily relies on this paper that has been discussed a lot.
www.sciencedirect.com...
Now I admit I am only a small way through this, but so far Just Facts study seems to be focusing on the debunking of the above mentioned paper.
Many of their numbers seem to come from this paper, which used used polling from a Harvard study, yougov data, and turnout data from Catalist.
There are a lot of numbers in here, but here is an example of how they aare getting their numbers.
In this 2008 survey of 32,800 respondents, 339 identified themselves as non-citizens, and 38 of these non-citizens checked a box that said “I definitely voted” in the 2008 general election or were recorded in the Catalist database as voting in that election. At face value, this means that 11.2% (38/339) of non-citizens voted in the 2008 election.
www.justfactsdaily.com...
So they take the fact that 11.2% of non citizens voted, multiply that by the number of non citizens that are in the country, and come up with the fact that in 2008 up to 2.8 million non citizens voted in 2008.
My first thought is I don't know if one poll done by Harvard (though granted i believe its done every two years with similar numbers) is enough to make such grandiose claims.
After this paper, apparently another paper was made debunking the first, which was then repeated by many in the media. The conclusions of that paper were that 0 people voted illegally.
At face value, that seems to be utterly ridiculous. Any ways, where I am in the study now is the Just Facts people debunking this idea that the original paper was inaccurate.
More to come.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Sillyolme
You can't vote without some form of ID.
I live in Pennsylvania and have never been required to show my ID. They tried to pass a voter ID law, but it was struck down, and wasn't appealed.
New York Times
A man that I work with went to vote with his son and found that someone else had already voted using their names. They were allowed to vote, but someone else voted for them illegally.
Correct. In many states most polling stations just ask you for your name, and if your name is on their registered list, they just let you vote without checking your ID. They also don't bother removing people when they die or move out of state. So all someone has to do to vote twice is know someone who died or moved that was a registered voter.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: UKTruth
Looking at the outcome of elections I believe it is.
And also. Don't assume all undocumented residents voted for Hillary.
IMO this should be very low on the list of priorities of things that need fixing in this country. And is just another example of putting party first before the people. They just care about them winning rather than working together to make things better for generations to come.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Sillyolme
You can't vote without some form of ID.
I live in Pennsylvania and have never been required to show my ID. They tried to pass a voter ID law, but it was struck down, and wasn't appealed.
New York Times
A man that I work with went to vote with his son and found that someone else had already voted using their names. They were allowed to vote, but someone else voted for them illegally.
Correct. In many states most polling stations just ask you for your name, and if your name is on their registered list, they just let you vote without checking your ID. They also don't bother removing people when they die or move out of state. So all someone has to do to vote twice is know someone who died or moved that was a registered voter.
It is actually easier than that.
Registered voter rolls are publicly available.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: TobyFlenderson
The left doesn't want this and it's not happening.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: TobyFlenderson
The left doesn't want this and it's not happening.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: TobyFlenderson
The left doesn't want this and it's not happening.