Grenfell Tower London Fire ... a conspiracy in the making?

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
All I'm sayin' is... some $h1tty apartment building can burn to a crisp and frame still stands... but the twin tow--... you guys get it.

It is a smaller building and a different design. It also didn't have the shock of an airliner hitting it either.

What I want to know is about the story of the refrigerator causing the fire. Who or what owns this building? That's been kept quiet.

No, it hasn't. It's well-known that Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council owns it. It is managed by Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101
If you want to see a conspiracy here it may have to do with the fact that these tenants were mainly council tenants, people on benefits or welfare, 600-700 living in this block that is in one of the most expensive places to live in the world, the survivors will all be rehoused but they most certainly wont be in the Kensington and Chelsea area, this is prime real estate land with an average house price that's AVERAGE price of £2.2m ($2.8M)...average house price in the UK is about £220k

A flat in a block like this is worth £1m-£4m EACH!!

120 flats now ...with it in private investors hands maybe 150-250 flats ranging from £1m- £10m penthouses

originally posted by: InceyWincey
a reply to: ISeekTruth101
It is a tragedy, not a conspiracy.
A tragedy which could have been avoided.
A tragedy nonetheless.

ETA #not17

Sadly the tragedy has been followed by a conspiracy to downplay the numbers. Lily Allen filmed an interview with the BBC where she said a fireman had told her there were at least 150 bodies. The BBC cancelled her and showed an interview with a council employee instead.

Today a Grime artist who played a benefit gig for the victines of this tragedy said a fireman was at the event last night and told him he had seen around 200 bodies first hand (bearing in mind this was before they've got into the uppermost floors),

The latest from the BBC is that they expect numbers of the dead to exceed 70. Meanwhile the picture coming together looks like less people may have survived than perished....

a reply to: zerozero00

Interesting speculation. I hope that's all it is, but I fear you may have hit the nail on the head.

Look around the world. How many people have died for these same people to get richer? A few hundred more, ironically, many from the countries they have bombed who came here for refuge from it, won't make any difference to their complete lack of a conscience.

a reply to: MetalChickAmy

Yup...It's called "social cleansing" and its happening right across London, the rich want the poor out of London and they'll do anything to get land and property there

I saw a clip of an angry resident saying the landlord had wanted rid of the tenants for years

One interesting thing that did occur yesterday was disruption to live coverage from Parliament. The home office ordered the cameras in the commons to be turned off - until the Prime Ministers office at No.10 overruled the order and the feed was restored.

The reference to the disrupted feed has been removed from the BBC website and Sky News changed their entry to read :

12:02
MPs to quiz minister on Grenfell Tower blaze

MPs have been given the opportunity to question a Government minister on the Grenfell Tower fire later this afernoon.

MPs would normally expect to hear a ministerial statement on a tragedy of this scale in the House of Commons, but this is not possible because Parliament has not yet formally reopened following the snap election.

But Speaker John Bercow has announced a meeting with a minister at 1.30pm in the Commons' secondary chamber, Westminster Hall.

Fire minister Nick Hurd is expected to make a statement and take questions from MPs.

Mr Bercow said that the meeting could be attended by "colleagues gravely concerned about this matter", but that it would not be an official proceeding of Parliament.

It is unclear whether the session will be televised.

Source : Sky News Live Blog

Theresa May announced a six million pound package for victims,her royal heinous who visited the victims just got 369 million quid for renovations,hows that for a let them eat cake moment.

V olunteer is very angry as authorities won't admin how many have died

This is what I've been saying, and others have been echoing. That tower went up in flames, and many people with it but no authority has really openly admitted this, not even MSM. Even though it seems obvious, there is not much sharing of information to tell us what is going on with the numbers.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
There are also unconfirmed reports of a DSMA gag order being issued which prevents MSM outlets from divulging any other figures

DSMA orders are not issued because of fires. Where's the national security angle? Is London really on the edge of the abyss because of this tragedy?

You say you don't want to speculate and that it's too early for facts, yet you are speculating. You are speculating about the speculation.

We don't know the scale because the ash has not yet cooled. It is quite possible that the tragedy will offer up more deaths, but it is also possible that current estimates are accurate. while the families need to know, they cannot be told if there;s nothing to tell.

The links I attached explain the 'national security' angle, if it was indeed issued. All I'm saying in my post is that it has been over 2 days, and many hundreds of people lived in that tower, and only a fraction have been accounted for.

It is a very fair assumption that the death tool will be very high, but why is the no more information being made available about tenants that are missing but weren't in the fire for example?

We are not getting a clear enough idea of the scale of the event, even this early on.

At least tell us that *this* many we know did not perish and have been accounted for, and roughly *this* many are likely still inside the building, and have not survived.

Can 100% for the record state there's no D-notice in place. D notices for property cover UN buildings, safe houses and the like, plus it's only an opt in/voluntary scheme, it's not a gag order.

Journalism ethics in the UK mean you don't release figures or details until the police have contacted relatives and offered support.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
There are also unconfirmed reports of a DSMA gag order being issued which prevents MSM outlets from divulging any other figures

DSMA orders are not issued because of fires. Where's the national security angle? Is London really on the edge of the abyss because of this tragedy?

You say you don't want to speculate and that it's too early for facts, yet you are speculating. You are speculating about the speculation.

We don't know the scale because the ash has not yet cooled. It is quite possible that the tragedy will offer up more deaths, but it is also possible that current estimates are accurate. while the families need to know, they cannot be told if there;s nothing to tell.

The links I attached explain the 'national security' angle, if it was indeed issued. All I'm saying in my post is that it has been over 2 days, and many hundreds of people lived in that tower, and only a fraction have been accounted for.

It is a very fair assumption that the death tool will be very high, but why is the no more information being made available about tenants that are missing but weren't in the fire for example?

We are not getting a clear enough idea of the scale of the event, even this early on.

At least tell us that *this* many we know did not perish and have been accounted for, and roughly *this* many are likely still inside the building, and have not survived.

Can 100% for the record state there's no D-notice in place. D notices for property cover UN buildings, safe houses and the like, plus it's only an opt in/voluntary scheme, it's not a gag order.

Journalism ethics in the UK mean you don't release figures or details until the police have contacted relatives and offered support.

Good information there, I've at least been educated !

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

They will not give numbers unless they shall we say have the corpses in front of them, i'd doubt its the easiest job in the police/fire/coroners world.

originally posted by: Maxatoria
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

They will not give numbers unless they shall we say have the corpses in front of them, i'd doubt its the easiest job in the police/fire/coroners world.

No doubt it is a hard job, I cannot even fathom, but the all the families and friends have gone from feeling shock, to grief and now they are absolutely angry that they aren't being told how many survived, and how many have likely perished.

This is being echoed across all social platforms, comments on MSM sites. Everyone is asking for numbers, and the only numbers we really have right now is 30 dead and recovered.

Where are the other hundreds upon hundreds. We will see what happens in the next week or so.

originally posted by: zerozero00
a reply to: ISeekTruth101
If you want to see a conspiracy here it may have to do with the fact that these tenants were mainly council tenants, people on benefits or welfare, 600-700 living in this block that is in one of the most expensive places to live in the world, the survivors will all be rehoused but they most certainly wont be in the Kensington and Chelsea area, this is prime real estate land with an average house price that's AVERAGE price of £2.2m ($2.8M)...average house price in the UK is about £220k

A flat in a block like this is worth £1m-£4m EACH!!

120 flats now ...with it in private investors hands maybe 150-250 flats ranging from £1m- £10m penthouses

That's what really gets up everyone else outside of London riled up. They could never afford to rent or own a house going for £2000/month. They have to live in itty-bitty homes on lots without front yards, commute for 1+ hours by overcrowded train. Then these people arrive in our airports and demand to be housed free of charge and say "I want the best for my children, for them to go to university and get a good job".

Those council homes were never meant for families of 6+ in a one or two bedroom flat. Council housing was originally meant for working respectable families who had been bombed out of their homes or whose homes had been unfit for human habitation (rising damp, subsidence, buckling walls, overcrowding), then more recently for those who were unemployed, illness, retired or had disabilities. The last three would get specially adapted homes like bungalows. With the economy at present, unemployment in London is low.

It's the loony left that have been importing the poor of the world, dispersing them across the UK, then blaming councils and the government for not spending more. Left-wing pressure groups demand that every council should house at least 30 families each.

dont look back in anger

Couple of weeks later: ANGER!

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
All I'm sayin' is... some $h1tty apartment building can burn to a crisp and frame still stands... but the twin tow--... you guys get it.

It is a smaller building and a different design. It also didn't have the shock of an airliner hitting it either.

No he's referring to Building 7 not the Twin Towers.WTC Building 7 Collapse - controlled demolition

When Building 7 of the WTC caught fire and collapsed it looked like a perfectly executed controlled demolition and has been compared to similar instances of towers that have burned for days longer but didn't collapse

In regards to this OP the gov't is in damage control for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if some the protesters were shipped in by Soros as their placards have the "Socialist Resistance" websites on them. Meanwhile Commie Corbyn is rabble raising the crowd declaring "The gov't should seize empty houses from the rich to house the fire victims"

a reply to: stormcell

We lost a of 'social fabric' when Right to Buy came in.

Up until then having a 'Council House' was a thing of status, at least in London.

After Right to Buy it started to gradually lost its sheen.

Let"s hope this event marks the low point for social housing in the UK.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

All I'm sayin' is... some $h1tty apartment building can burn to a crisp and frame still stands... but the twin tow--... you guys get it.

Get what?

? Controlled Demo free fall foot prints?

Much easier to allude to something than actually prove it, huh...

If a Defence Advisory has indeed been issued, which would not surprise me in the slightest, then I can tell you for why with near-certainty...

It was no accident

Of course, human disasters of this scale can never be described as an “accident”, but in this instance it was an attack. This time, however, they have no viable cover story with which to trick the masses into believing it was some kind of “Islamic plot”, certainly not since most of those who died were probably Muslims. This was an attack and it was in response to something I said to the police over 101 - it is not the first time it’s happened; I am adamant that the sarin attack in Ghouta was also a response by a rogue militarised force in direct relation to something I said on social media and something I did a few weeks prior, without going into too much detail on that matter (although I might have discussed it here before, however vague it may have been). So yeah, fascists burned it down because they were pissed off with me calling them out, again - and they hit that tower because it was particularly occupied by Syrian refugees. In other words, they yet again threatened me by killing innocent women and children just like they did on August 21st 2013. Thus, the government won’t be telling you that it was an attack, let alone who was ultimately responsible, because they're either in league with the sorts who are committing the real terrorist attacks around the world or they do not believe they can do anything about it - personally I don’t know which it is, probably a bit of both really but either way Whitehall comprises largely of a bunch of cowards.

In other news, I heard people are calling for new leadership - I guess it’s me or Corbyn because the Tories are finished.

Also, as I type this up Chrissy takes to his shiny Audi for the first time in weeks. I could swear he spends all day every day watching my screen, he must get really annoyed when I wake up at 10pm being all nocturnal and stuff. So presumably he’s the one who’s listening in on my calls to the police, wouldn’t surprise me what with his past connections to shady characters at Steelhouse back when SOCS was a thing. Seems like he may have something to do with what happened, amongst other dubious endeavours, so somebody needs to cuff him I say.

a reply to: khnum
The Queen didn't get the money its for refurbishment of state owned properties, Teresa May didn't even meet the victims families too scared to face them. She also is given her ousted Tory MPs more money than any others who lose their seats paid for out of the public purse because they face financial hardship, they were on 70k a year! The same party who says poor people who use foodbanks, cant manage their money.

a reply to: stormcell

To be honest. If these people cannot afford to live in London then they should move to somewhere that they can afford.

It's a bit perverse when people move to London - and expect to be able to afford to live there - when they are just adding to the problem i.e. the demand for housing. This demand increases the value and rental of homes.

It just reinforces the perception that immigrants who refuse to live anywhere else (in the UK) are treated differently. I could not rack up in central London and expect the Council to house me, so why can others?

This fire is a real tragedy, but while people are running about demanding the Council / government give them more money so they can live in central London, other parts of the country have empty streets.