what exactly is it that we are

a reply to: DpatC
You are the light - you light up what is appearing and you witness the light.
The light that appears is what you see now - whether it appears as sensation or thought (the word).
You are all that is.

In the beginning there was no thing - this is deep sleep where no things appear.
Then there is light - when the eyes open - or dreaming happens - even then there are no things - just an image of light.
So really you are no thing seeing no thing - and then naming happens - which produces the illusion of separate things.

You are like a tv screen with no edges - you are not a particular thing within the screen - you are the entire screen and what appears on it.

So you are nothing and everything!

Waves and particles that detect the function of their reflection off of smaller particles.


Well what are particles then? Waves tied into inward spiraling knots, when they can spiral no tighter. A system of recursion. Think up , bigger and bigger, while you observe the smaller and smaller.

a reply to: DpatC

Welcome frater. Here you go. A qaballistic representation of the lightening bolt.

In my opinion, in the most basic sense, we are awareness. We are aware that we are something. We are aware that we are aware.

we are autonomous biological entities... a collection of microbes/bacteria/germs all interacting together in a skin sack for the common goal of sustaining itself as a living & viable life form

we are part of the transformation of the physical & sterile planet composed of a plethora of elements which are undergoing a transformation into 'organic' residue

which is just one step-tread in the stairway of the evolution of this home planet


** makes me mindful of the 'DESIDERATA'
->
en.wikipedia.org...

"Desiderata" (Latin: "desired things") is a 1927 prose poem by American writer Max Ehrmann. Largely unknown in the author's lifetime, the text became widely known ...

originally posted by: Kashai
How is it possible for something that is random to generate something that is not random?

Perhaps someone pointed a gun to it.

We're animals who have grown such large brains that we mistakenly think we're more than that. It's a partial result of being able to recognize that there are things we don't know. (Your dog doesn't understand that.) Our brains try to fill in the gaps by projecting or imposing patterns on our ignorance.

originally posted by: Kashai
How is it possible for something that is random to generate something that is not random?

Gravity.

originally posted by: Kashai
How is it possible for something that is random to generate something that is not random?

we are random with boundaries. That is, were different to the extent that our boundaries allow. Otherwise, all the same.

originally posted by: DpatC
every religious text references Light..Every single one

Not to be taken literally, see; metaphor

a reply to: DpatC

Monsters are created when some hideous or malformed creature possesses
all the human beings nightmarish horrers and sentient intellect. But the
nightmarish horrors belong to us and can devastate our reality.
They have far more effect on us then our blissful dreams.
We are the monsters who create monsters.
We are monsters.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Yes but you fail to continue the metaphor. At which point , the eyes become wide open, and the light of day illuminates solid, objective reality, where in science is formed.

Intuition is guessing correctly about what lies in the nighta cover of darkness. We are physical beings maintained by the organs and sustained by the heart, animated by the brain, which also projects a metaphysical powerhouse know as the mind.science deals with rationality and evidence, to a large degree evidence is hard to find in the mind. More than science, domination of the outer world, we need to practice magic, mastery of the symbols and metaphors of the mind.

originally posted by: Kashai
How is it possible for something that is random to generate something that is not random?

Short answer, it isn't. You have a choice- either it's random, completely random, and self sustaining, which would mean it would generate randomly for eternity, it would generate by the time it was through, every possible number sequence. This would have you look at quantum physics and say that it's no surprise, that that is the rng of the reality we experience. Or you can think, if it's generating sequences, it can't be random... So perhaps, what I percieve as random and meaningless is really just structure we can't percieve... And if there's structure being formed out of randomness, then it goes to follow that it must be purposeful.

Luck is, in other words, either a natural result of randomness, or is being directed towards a purpose we can't discern except by intuition.

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Yes but you fail to continue the metaphor. At which point , the eyes become wide open, and the light of day illuminates solid, objective reality, where in science is formed.

Intuition is guessing correctly about what lies in the nighta cover of darkness. We are physical beings maintained by the organs and sustained by the heart, animated by the brain, which also projects a metaphysical powerhouse know as the mind.science deals with rationality and evidence, to a large degree evidence is hard to find in the mind. More than science, domination of the outer world, we need to practice magic, mastery of the symbols and metaphors of the mind.

Can you rephrase the above post as I am having trouble understanding what you are getting at?
The post I posted is just explaining 'what we are' - what everything is. I am not sure what prompted the response - maybe you could fill me in? Thank you.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Ah, yes: only this part

Yes but you fail to continue the metaphor. At which point , the eyes become wide open, and the light of day illuminates solid, objective reality, where in science is formed. 

Was in response to you. The paragraph below that was musings stemming from my reply to you.

originally posted by: LucidWarrior
Yes but you fail to continue the metaphor. At which point , the eyes become wide open, and the light of day illuminates solid, objective reality, where in science is formed. 

If you had no knowledge of anything at all - no concepts (no idea about anything which is not seen or heard or tasted - sensed) - then there would just be what is appearing (an image of light) - can you see eyes right now?