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originally posted by: dianajune
a reply to: Liquesence
Here's an excerpt I'd like you to check out. It's a quote from Vice Admiral Syring of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency re. the NK threat:
"The advancements in the last six months have caused great concern to me and others, in the advancement of and demonstration of technology of ballistic missiles from North Korea.
"It is incumbent on us to assume that North Korea today can range the United States with an ICBM carrying a nuclear warhead."
Source
We can't afford to wait any longer.
LA, San Fran, no big loss.
The US can bomb most of NK back to military stone age.
originally posted by: jtma508
The presumption in this thread is that everyone in gov't has simply been ignoring the NK situation. That's not the case. While it would seem an easy answer to just go kick-ass in NK, that would not be a good idea for reasons already presented. He does have nukes. And nuclear materials. And chemical / biological materials. The second his intelligence assets pick-up any move against him, little Kim will unleash everything he has. Remember Fukushima? In addition to the devastation that would be wrought on the peninsula and Japan, you would have that with which to deal. The current idea is to work with the Chinese and other assets to off the little twit and establish a responsible and stable government before we have to deal with that. No one is minimizing the threat to AK or HI. But no one wants to see millions of people killed, millions of people permanently injured, and three countries rendered almost uninhabitable.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
NK isn't some little united nation that stands on its own, its a cold war relic made by the russians to become a resistance against US in the east. The Kim Jong dynasty is fabricated and since the USSR is no longer, its up to the US, the other player, to clean up this manufactured despotic regime.
If only for the humanitarian issues.
that was a legit place that needs liberation.
originally posted by: Liquesence
So,
The article is entirely a "what if,"
Which includes as its source official North Korea State media "KCNA news service" about its supposed capabilities.
Then
There is absolutely no logical reason to sit around waiting for Kim to start WW3 when a simple attack can realistically remove NK entirely from the table of players willing and able to start that war
So...we should go to war...to prevent them from going to war because we think they can?
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
How about we dont attack them, and then they wont launch on US?
US rejects China’s proposal to halt North Korea nuclear weapons
Washington has rejected China’s proposal that North Korea could halt its nuclear weapons programme if the United States and South Korea suspended military activities in the region.
How about China stop building military facilities on artificial islands and the US wont perform freedom of navigation exercises near them?
How about Russia withdraw from Crimea and E. Ukraine and the west will remove sanctions?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: burdman30ott6
North Korea won't attack us until we're sufficiently distracted by something major.
Iranian nukes
Massive deployments to the ME
EMP in the US
Massive NBC attack
Something has to happen first to soften us up before fat-girl tries anything direct.
In my opinion.
originally posted by: dianajune
Let me put it to you this way:
Let's suppose you have a burglar in your house. He's taking all of your valuables. And then he wants to whack you.
But then he finds his firearm is empty and he starts to load it. What would you do - stop him before he finishes the job or just let him have at it?
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
And how do you intend to do that? (see how well regime change worked in Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc)
How will it be done without causing total war on the Korean penninsula? (see NK artillery and ground forces ready to lay waste upon being triggered by military action)
Who are you, or anyone else not even of Korean origin to say anything about how things should be over there?
Why isn't the will of the South Korean people being respected here? (see polls on page 1)
How can we as a nation afford another trillion dollar war?
How is getting millions of South Korean's UNNECESSARILY slaughtered a "humanitarian" action?
Why not halt military operations there, to get them to freeze their nuclear program, as arranged bu China? (see article I posted on page 1)
By what metric is it in your mind, that SK & Japan can't stand up for themselves (economics, population wise, etc)?
Wouldn't you agree that the entire world including China Russia would be against NK if they committed a major attack unprovoked?
Are you able to put yourself into their shoes?
Why the F would we loathe them on just about anything, but then look at them being the number one propaganda force trying to sell US this NK conflict and turn to each other and say 'of course!'???
Have you been ever tested for being a sociopath / psychopath? (you might look into that)
originally posted by: jacobe001
How about we stop supporting Communist China with trade policies that only benefit the commies and rich Americans?
The next thing you know, these rich elites will want us to go fight China they helped grow.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: jacobe001
How about we stop supporting Communist China with trade policies that only benefit the commies and rich Americans?
The next thing you know, these rich elites will want us to go fight China they helped grow.
I get what your saying
...
on the other hand, my smart phone is super cheap compared to the tech in it and what it would cost...
originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: jacobe001
How about we stop supporting Communist China with trade policies that only benefit the commies and rich Americans?
The next thing you know, these rich elites will want us to go fight China they helped grow.
I get what your saying
...
on the other hand, my smart phone is super cheap compared to the tech in it and what it would cost...
You mean it would cost your wallet supporting Americans when you can get it for cheap
Actually, it has been shown most things have not been cheaper for consumers
The gains went to shareholders and execs
Inequality has grown from globalism because the gains went to the top, not to everyone else
originally posted by: Liquesence
Horrible analogy.
It's more like your neighbor says he is going to come to your house and harm you, does that give you the right to go to his house and harm him first?
No, it doesn't work that way.