Our species may be 150,000 years older than we thought

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: gosseyn

Just think Dinosaurs lived on Earth for almost 200 million years, (not counting birds) that's one full circle around our Galaxy before going extinct. Our species being 150,000 years older doesn't even put a dent in that, I wonder if we will make that full galactic trip.

I'm a little out of my element here, but wouldn't you have to compare dinosaurs to the entire hominid line which goes back millions of years to make this an apples to apples comparison? I don't think any one species of dinosaur lasted 200 million years, so comparing them to the specific species homo sapien is a little misleading.

Your overall point still stands though, dinosaurs in general were around much longer than hominids have been so far.

To the OP, cool thread! As several have said, science isn't meant to be an end-all, be-all answer. It adjusts for new information, and this is fascinating new information.

a reply to: face23785

Could it be that the human species originated on another planet like some theorists are advocating, like say a planet between Mars and Jupiter that some say may have exploded due to a war with another civilization ? the scars on Mars one side indicate a massive amount of destruction along with the Valles Mariner's the Grand Canyon of Mars that some scientists have creates a similar scar in a laboratory using high energy microwaves on a land filled landscape. Indicating possible attacks from enemy forces perused those who escaped from the doomed planet and fled to Mars and possibly Earth ?

Yea this sounds like a science fiction movie, but after all we like to speculate and I'm just repeating what I've read from some very serious discussions about where DID those asteroids come from in that belt ? most say a planet and why is Mars which might have been a Moon of that planet in such a damaged state at least on one side ? and until we finally know why not throw out " what if's " after water has been detected on Mars after it was always thought to be a totally dead planet, frankly I'm surprised NASA even let that out at all as I don't trust NASA ( Never A Straight Answer ) and never will. Carl

Science is like language. The communication is important but the rules are manmade and constantly changing.

a reply to: face23785

haha, yeah I was overly generalizing our bipedal ancestors.... though I'm sure homo sapien will probably evolve into something else or go extinct before we complete one revolution of our galaxy.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Sorry but there is already a consensus that homo sapiens evolved in Africa at an already established time.

Anybody questioning this established consensus is a science denier.

Many scientists strive to be established science deniers (to some degree).

What I mean is that for a scientist to get his name known (and the funding and possible University tenure that comes with it), many of them are always looking for holes or inaccuracies in what is the going theory.

Science continuously has its own "established" theories questioned, tested, re-tested, and re-questioned -- from withing the scientific community itself. So, yes; there are mainstream scientists who are looking to push back the date that we believe homo sapiens first came about.

a reply to: gosseyn

Is it so hard to believe that Atlantis could have been real? And that humans were once way smarter than what we are now and used crystals for energy and a series of 3 volcanos then a flood wiped it away?

yes its hard to believe .
impossible as a matter of fact .
along with flooding the planet any earth changing even that large we would still see evidence of .
Now we do have frozen mammoths to account for flowers still undigested inside .
one mint over 50 % teh next - 150 ( to frez something that large that fast .
But this is no flood indeiacor nore did any civilization sink in oceans .
Something caused earths troposphere to roll over at 100 miles up the air is - 150 % if a event caused a big enough updraft this would bring that air down and replace the lower air instance frezz .
see the movie day after tomorrow .
Its fiction or did something along thous lines happen ? ether way Atlantis wasnt a gleam in mans eye yet .

a reply to: midnightstar

Nothing is impossible, just improbable.

Impossible is a very strong word to use, since it seems like in the last few years we have been finding places that were thought to be fable or legend.

Maybe we just have not looked in the right spot for the place the Atlantis story was based on!

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Sorry but there is already a consensus that homo sapiens evolved in Africa at an already established time.

Anybody questioning this established consensus is a science denier.

Connect the Dots from a Higher Intelligence that has recorded our history. We have only been on the planet for 1.3 million years. If you want to know yourself then practice meditation and you can access the psychosphere. Reality is not what you think it is.

The total amount of human bones that we have older than 100000 years old would all fit in the back of a pickup truck, so still have a lot to learn.

originally posted by: BACKFIREB
a reply to: face23785

Could it be that the human species originated on another planet like some theorists are advocating, like say a planet between Mars and Jupiter that some say may have exploded due to a war with another civilization ? the scars on Mars one side indicate a massive amount of destruction along with the Valles Mariner's the Grand Canyon of Mars that some scientists have creates a similar scar in a laboratory using high energy microwaves on a land filled landscape. Indicating possible attacks from enemy forces perused those who escaped from the doomed planet and fled to Mars and possibly Earth ?

What kind of timeline are we talking about here? The life you see on earth today originated mostly from the end of snowball earth about 600 million years ago. Also you do know we share DNA with all living things, even grass and trees...Kind os says we are of earth doesn't it...

a reply to: midnightstar

I dont think its that hard to believe that atlantis existed and also a possible civilization before atlantis.

Just bc we are not old enough to remember or cannot find any trace of it does not prove its not possible.

Psychics do not go farther than atlantis tho...that is where thought bubble (ie. spirit/orbs) intertwined with beast, etc for pleasure, jumped back and forth.

Curious lil angels/demons

a reply to: Xtrozero

But some questions arise about our species on Earth : www.messagetoeagle.com... Carl

originally posted by: imitator
haha, yeah I was overly generalizing our bipedal ancestors.... though I'm sure homo sapien will probably evolve into something else or go extinct before we complete one revolution of our galaxy.

Oh, absolutely. It might not happen immediately, but one of these days we are certainly going to create some kind of advanced artificial superintelligence, and that will either mean heaven or death to us. I'm guessing it will happen in less than 500 years (a blink of a cosmic eye), and many people say I'm overestimating that by a lot.

a reply to: veracity

One theory that has gained some attention is what if Atlantis wasn't an island at all but rather an enormous mother ship that landed in the ocean ? some say that there was thunder and great noise and storms and some fire but when all was calm that the " island " was gone not a trace was to be found.

It's not too hard with advanced technology any size ship could be able to land or take off using some form of anti gravity, The Japan Airlines pilot of Alaska flight 1628 in Jan 29, 1987 said the walnut shaped craft was larger than an aircraft carrier I doubt size matters when using this advanced technology that's one of the reasons no remains of any island has ever been found where Plato said it was. Carl

originally posted by: BACKFIREB

But some questions arise about our species on Earth : www.messagetoeagle.com... Carl

Maybe, but we are related to all life here and that suggests we had common ancestors in the past, and when I say past we are talking going back 100s of millions of years. For every example that article has such as we are on a 25 hour day compared to 24, I could come up with 100s of examples of what makes us unique to earth.

Do people really think we could go to a new planet and just start eating the local foods of plant and animals, handle the air mixture, overcome the temp ranges, drink the water, over come the life there, survive the micro level life etc ...lol

The reason why we can do that here is we have 100 of millions of years behind us that makes our primitive living capabilities unique to this planet alone.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think we could maybe in another 10,000 years when we can control our environment to what ever planet we'll travel to like I guess those who came here several million years ago who probably had the ability to just that, but the fact still remains our internal clocks are not working in this environment like where we organically came from. It would be quite a discovery if when we do eventually colonize Mars our internal clocks will be in sync with that planet time will tell. Carl

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
Sorry but there is already a consensus that homo sapiens evolved in Africa at an already established time.

Anybody questioning this established consensus is a science denier.

Aint that the truth!?

a reply to: Barliman

Some don't side with the consensus of main stream scientists which are known to shun different views, that's one of the reasons only true dedicated researchers devote the time and effort to prove there are more than man in our solar system and has been seen world wide and still these so called " scientists " refuse to admit to it only because they don't want their precious reputations and positions in the various establishments they work in questioned by their peers.
Is it also possible that our Earth was Terra formed by some advanced alien's the same way we plan to Terra form Mars in the future ? if we're planning this now then this was possibility carried out tens of millions of years ago but apparently these pompous scientists of course couldn't ever suggest this because of the implications to their reputations. Carl

originally posted by: BACKFIREB
a reply to: Xtrozero

I think we could maybe in another 10,000 years when we can control our environment to what ever planet we'll travel to like I guess those who came here several million years ago who probably had the ability to just that, but the fact still remains our internal clocks are not working in this environment like where we organically came from. It would be quite a discovery if when we do eventually colonize Mars our internal clocks will be in sync with that planet time will tell. Carl

Mars is 24:37 Earth is 23:58 so even 25 hour internal clock doesn't really make sense for either, so here is a good reason...

Harvard study:

By recording the daily rhythms of hormones and body temperatures in 24
healthy young and old men and women over a one-month period, the researchers
conclude that our internal clocks run on a daily cycle of 24 hours, 11
minutes.