Interview at Didsbury Mosque (Salman Adebi's) - Muslims Lie, Smirk and Laugh

originally posted by: SprocketUK


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

I don't know how it is in England, but I have seen many efforts by the Christian far right to legislate their religious beliefs onto society - haven't seen too much effort by Muslims.

I don't think we need to keep religion out of society, but keep it out of government for sure.

a reply to: kaylaluv

churches can preach what they like..in their own churches to people who have chosen to go there, once they start ranting about it in public it becomes a problem, and yes, that leaflet came from the mosque on an open day, so the guy who got it had chosen to go there...no problem with that. I did take issue with you posting that video saying, that perhaps they were referring to this behaviour, as if that somehow validates the opinion that the West is immoral....don't like Western culture..don't live in it..simple

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: SprocketUK

Look, I wasn't making a personal judgement myself. I was pointing out that conservative people might not agree with that lifestyle and not want to live it. Just because you don't agree with that lifestyle doesn't automatically mean you are going to start killing people with vans and knives. Not every conservative Muslim is out there killing people.

I don't know if the leaflet said to impose conservative Muslim views on to Westerners. For all we know, the leaflet said to let the Westerners live their "heathen" way and Muslims should live according to their own principles. I'm assuming you don't want to force all Muslim women to wear scanty clothing and get drunk if they don't want to?

I don't want to force anyone to live in any particular way or dress in any particular way for that matter.
Thing is, when any religious group starts banging on about values and stuff we all (those of us with a brain and any common sense) Absolutely know they aren't just talking about themselves here. When some church group starts on about abortions, they aren't talking about the abortions they aren't going to have, they are talking about other people's.

Its disingenuous in the extreme to try and present this rubbish as something reasonable for a modern, secular, western society.

a reply to: destination now

churches can preach what they like..in their own churches to people who have chosen to go there, once they start ranting about it in public it becomes a problem, and yes, that leaflet came from the mosque on an open day, so the guy who got it had chosen to go there...no problem with that. I did take issue with you posting that video saying, that perhaps they were referring to this behaviour, as if that somehow validates the opinion that the West is immoral....don't like Western culture..don't live in it..simple

Western culture is far superior. Sooner or later those who take it for granted will start sticking up for it, but by then they will probably be under Sharia.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: SprocketUK


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

I don't know how it is in England, but I have seen many efforts by the Christian far right to legislate their religious beliefs onto society - haven't seen too much effort by Muslims.

I don't think we need to keep religion out of society, but keep it out of government for sure.

Where you are, there is probably a much bigger pool of support for the Christian fundies, isn't there? That's how they can use legislation.

Over here its a little more relaxed but there is always pressure by Muslim (and other) religious groups to be treated more preferentially than other people by dint of their beliefs. Hell, our government allows Sharia and Beth Din courts for Muslim and Jewish communities. Something that should absolutely be banned, because they disenfranchise women massively. So there is always this creeping of religion into legislation to the detriment of us all.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Here in Toronto, there was recently a law passed that discriminating or treating Muslims unfairly is now a crime. Something along those lines. So absurd I didn't even bother looking into it.

This is a perfect example of special treatment.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: and14263

Maybe this is the type of Western lifestyle the flyer is referring to?

What's wrong with them? They may be a bit embarrassing and lack class, but hell, they aren't going around running people over and stabbing random strangers because they don't have the right imaginary friend in the sky.


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

Actually the statistics for road accidents involving drunk drivers is staggering.

So there is that.

You are comparing what are accidents (Albeit highly avoidable ones) with people going out deliberately to kill folks?

Jeez, you really are clutching at straws to justify the utterly unjustifiable aren't you?

That is pathetic, just change your av to an isis flag and be bloody done with it.

Looks like someone is a little triggered.

We were discussing morality.
You brought running people over into it not me.

What's ISIS got to do with it, exactly?
Justifying what, exactly?

Speak your mind.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

So absurd I didn't even bother looking into it.

This is a perfect example of special treatment.

How do you know it's special treatment if you didn't look into it?

That sounds like an idiotic thing to do.

a reply to: TheTory

I hope not, though I am reminded of this video from 2010...to be honest it concerned me that this minister would have religion being at the centre of politics, by saying that he hoped one day (inshalla) there would be a Muslim prime minister (shudder)

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: and14263

Maybe this is the type of Western lifestyle the flyer is referring to?

What's wrong with them? They may be a bit embarrassing and lack class, but hell, they aren't going around running people over and stabbing random strangers because they don't have the right imaginary friend in the sky.


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

Actually the statistics for road accidents involving drunk drivers is staggering.

So there is that.

You are comparing what are accidents (Albeit highly avoidable ones) with people going out deliberately to kill folks?

Jeez, you really are clutching at straws to justify the utterly unjustifiable aren't you?

That is pathetic, just change your av to an isis flag and be bloody done with it.

Looks like someone is a little triggered.

We were discussing morality.
You brought running people over into it not me.

What's ISIS got to do with it, exactly?
Justifying what, exactly?

Speak your mind.

Are your comprehension skills so poor that you cant understand that there is zero equivalence between murdering people (on purpose, just to make it clear) and accidentally killing people through negligence?

I don't believe they are, speaking plainly, I would say that you are on the jihadist side of this particular fence and as such, doing your damndest to try and muddy the waters to avoid the true nature of a certain form of Islam being spotlighted.

I say that because someone would have to be terminally thick to really believe its the same to go on killing sprees because some people get into crashes while drunk in charge of a vehicle.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: and14263

Maybe this is the type of Western lifestyle the flyer is referring to?

What's wrong with them? They may be a bit embarrassing and lack class, but hell, they aren't going around running people over and stabbing random strangers because they don't have the right imaginary friend in the sky.


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

Actually the statistics for road accidents involving drunk drivers is staggering.

So there is that.

You are comparing what are accidents (Albeit highly avoidable ones) with people going out deliberately to kill folks?

Jeez, you really are clutching at straws to justify the utterly unjustifiable aren't you?

That is pathetic, just change your av to an isis flag and be bloody done with it.

Looks like someone is a little triggered.

We were discussing morality.
You brought running people over into it not me.

What's ISIS got to do with it, exactly?
Justifying what, exactly?

Speak your mind.

Are your comprehension skills so poor that you cant understand that there is zero equivalence between murdering people (on purpose, just to make it clear) and accidentally killing people through negligence?

I don't believe they are, speaking plainly, I would say that you are on the jihadist side of this particular fence and as such, doing your damndest to try and muddy the waters to avoid the true nature of a certain form of Islam being spotlighted.

I say that because someone would have to be terminally thick to really believe its the same to go on killing sprees because some people get into crashes while drunk in charge of a vehicle.

Like I said... we were discussing morality.

Now I'm not on a high horse like yourself, but I could just as easily say you do not find it morally reprehensible to drive into people while drunk...

But I don't twist people's words like you have chosen to do.

Hehe, I guess I am on a high horse.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Because I'm far from an idiot and I understand that any notion that gives one religion some extra blanket of security in the name of anti-islamophobia is absurd.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Because I'm far from an idiot and I understand that any notion that gives one religion some extra blanket of security in the name of anti-islamophobia is absurd.

But... you didn't even look into it to know if that's true...

So again...
Huh?

a reply to: Hazardous1408

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Is this not special treatment???

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: and14263

Maybe this is the type of Western lifestyle the flyer is referring to?

What's wrong with them? They may be a bit embarrassing and lack class, but hell, they aren't going around running people over and stabbing random strangers because they don't have the right imaginary friend in the sky.


Keep religion out of society altogether, especially the sort that tries to impose its rules on others.

Actually the statistics for road accidents involving drunk drivers is staggering.

So there is that.

You are comparing what are accidents (Albeit highly avoidable ones) with people going out deliberately to kill folks?

Jeez, you really are clutching at straws to justify the utterly unjustifiable aren't you?

That is pathetic, just change your av to an isis flag and be bloody done with it.

Looks like someone is a little triggered.

We were discussing morality.
You brought running people over into it not me.

What's ISIS got to do with it, exactly?
Justifying what, exactly?

Speak your mind.

Are your comprehension skills so poor that you cant understand that there is zero equivalence between murdering people (on purpose, just to make it clear) and accidentally killing people through negligence?

I don't believe they are, speaking plainly, I would say that you are on the jihadist side of this particular fence and as such, doing your damndest to try and muddy the waters to avoid the true nature of a certain form of Islam being spotlighted.

I say that because someone would have to be terminally thick to really believe its the same to go on killing sprees because some people get into crashes while drunk in charge of a vehicle.

Like I said... we were discussing morality.

Now I'm not on a high horse like yourself, but I could just as easily say you do not find it morally reprehensible to drive into people while drunk...

But I don't twist people's words like you have chosen to do.

Hehe, I guess I am on a high horse.

Where did I say it was ok for people to drink and drive? Not only is it an accepted immoral act, due to the risks it puts others under, it is also illegal in this country. I probably know more than you about the dangers of being under the influence, since I spent 20 years in a safety critical job and had the risks rammed into my head on a regular basis.

Whatever horse you think you are on, you appear to be facing the wrong way. Whether on purpose or by mistake, I care not.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

It was never a question if it was true or not. It was all over the news, I just didn't know the details.

I live in one of the most liberal places on the planet. Next to California, the bleeding heart of the world.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

In the U.S. it is against the law to discriminate against anyone based on religion. Do you mean that in Toronto, you can discriminate against Christians, but you can't discriminate against Muslims?

a reply to: kaylaluv

YES!

This is the epitome of special treatment and Islam sympathizers.

There was also ANOTHER law that allowed Muslims to gather after school and pray, but Christian's are NOT allowed.

Special treatment?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Motion 103 calls on the government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination", asks the government to "recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear", and request for the "Commons heritage committee to study how the government could develop a government-wide approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination, including Islamophobia...

So what special treatment is that, exactly?

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: SprocketUK

Where did I say it was ok for people to drink and drive?

And where exactly did I say terrorism was the same thing?

Like you've accused me of 3 times now?