Why we should all vote for Jeremy Corybn

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Sadly Labour long ago abandoned it's origins in representing the working class people of Britain, these days they don't even recognize that there ever was such a thing, a clique of Middle Class cultural Marxists more concerned with destroying our culture and identity than representing us, a party that was founded by Methodists ended up becoming the apologists for Islam due to it's Internationalist pretentiousness, just a sad joke of a party really.

The worst of it is that the Tories can continue to transform the island into a concrete covered high density housing floating factory money making scheme populated by the under informed and imbecilic of no particular ethnicity or religion under totalitarian control.

a reply to: UKTruth

Actually I would look at that graph differently.

Brexit is a good example most people under 30 voted against brexit, we are the ones who have to deal with the consequences of brexit and there is a growing feeling among young people that their future is being stolen by the older generation.

Older does not always mean wiser

a reply to: and14263

There is much truth in your post, however when it comes right down to it, it is nearly always the wedge issues that decide which way a person votes (if they are open to choice).

We can weight up the manifestos and pour over the the details of policies, but in the end the 90% of non controversial policies will not matter.. it will be the extreme difference between the parties that will frame the debate.

For example, I despise the Tories and Labour, but this time I am voting Tory because I simply do not trust the labour party to control our borders and get out of the EU as directed by the people.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I was not sold on Corbyn when he was first elected as leader of The Labour Party. However as this election campaign has progressed i have become a convert.

Teresa May took the people of The U.K. for fools when she called this election. There was a 20 point gap in the polls between Tories and Labour. She thought she had the election " in the bag ". This after saying on several occasions that she would not call an election until 2020.

The polls have now closed to within a few points between the Tories and Labour. Teresa May cannot face the general public at her rallies. They are only attended by Tory activists. She is running scared. Just look at the turnout at the below videos when Corby goes out on the campaign trail. There are may more such videos showing the same turnout across the country.

Corbyn in not afraid to meet the public and tell it like it is. He is a man strong on conviction.

May uses the slogan " Strong And Stable " In fact the truth is she is " Weak And Wobbly " which has been apparent form her performance during the election campaign. This woman is the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime.

a reply to: alldaylong

100% agree

I was also not so sure of him when elected as the leader but the more I learn about him the more I think he is a real alternative to what we have had in decades of centrist parties.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

Actually I would look at that graph differently.

Brexit is a good example most people under 30 voted against brexit, we are the ones who have to deal with the consequences of brexit and there is a growing feeling among young people that their future is being stolen by the older generation.

Older does not always mean wiser

I never understood the argument about age and the different effects of Brexit. Since when does being 18 as opposed to 40 change the importance of one vote over another? Youthful arrogance (and ignorance) assumes a 40 year old hasn't weighed up what it means to them and their children to live outside the EU. I don't know if you have kids, but many older people do, you know, and I can promise you that the vast majority of parents are more concerned with their kids futures than they are their own.

When you put a few more years on the clock you will understand things differently. That is why the shift starts happening from mid 20's and into the 30's.

a reply to: UKTruth

The point I am making is that the decision of brexit was made by the older generations when it is the younger people who will have to really live with that decision

a reply to: UKTruth
Me too but what a contradiction we are forced into... We have to vote for a party which goes against our morals because the only other viable option will not do this one thing right.

(I must remember not to post in the politics threads.)

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

It's interesting how we have different views on this,....

That's how it's supposed to be my friend.

..... personally I am against nuclear weapons,.....

Morally?
Maybe.

Practically?
No chance, what with Trump, Putin forever flexing his missiles, rogue states, terrorists, blah blah blah - No thank you, I like it that we have an independent nuclear deterrent and if any Labour leader ever makes the naïve mistake of unilaterally disarming then that will be the final nail in Labour's coffin.

I don't mind the idea of attempting negotiating with terrorist groups

Personally, I'd rather negotiate with the Devil himself than negotiate with IS etc - they are evil incarnate.

And I love his socialist ideals.

Many of them strike a chord with me, some don't.
But he's an idealist driven by romantic notions of Marxism fuelled by his PC indoctrinated champagne socialist background that has absolutely zero in common with the vast majority of traditional labour voters.

I guess it's just differing political view points.

I guess so.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Amen brother - quite beautifully put.

a reply to: Freeborn

absolutely zero in common with the vast majority of traditional labour voters.

Excuse me.... the man has a beard.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Freeborn

absolutely zero in common with the vast majority of traditional labour voters.

Excuse me.... the man has a beard.

I laughed so hard at this comment my beard almost fell off

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

The point I am making is that the decision of brexit was made by the older generations when it is the younger people who will have to really live with that decision

Nonsense. Something like 30% of younger people voted for Brexit too... and like I said a 40 yr old will have to live outside the EU too and had their kids to consider too.

The angst from young people talking about 'we have to live with it' is childish and common in people who have not yet fully developed their thinking.

a reply to: and14263

Ah yes, the beardo craze.....

To be fair, Corbyn has indeed shown that he is prepared to go out and actually meet people and do some good old fashioned electioneering at the hustings.

a reply to: UKTruth

75% of younger voters voted to remain.

I think however the issue of brexit is a bit off topic. I was only mentioning it to demonstrate how younger voters are in strong disagreement with decisions made regarding their future being made by older voters.

Also please stop addressing me like I am a moron. I don't appreciate these "not yet fully developed thinking" jibes. I am just as intelligent as you or the next person, more than happy to discuss these issues but please keep it civil

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: UKTruth
Me too but what a contradiction we are forced into... We have to vote for a party which goes against our morals because the only other viable option will not do this one thing right.

(I must remember not to post in the politics threads.)

You should keep posting - a healthy dose of idealism is not a bad thing.
But, yes, holding ones nose and voting Tory seems like the only option - lest we get the nightmare scenario of a Labour/SNP coalition.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

75% of younger voters voted to remain.

I think however the issue of brexit is a bit off topic. I was only mentioning it to demonstrate how younger voters are in strong disagreement with decisions made regarding their future being made by older voters.

Yes I know they are - their lack of life experience drives that disagreement.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

75% of younger voters voted to remain.

I think however the issue of brexit is a bit off topic. I was only mentioning it to demonstrate how younger voters are in strong disagreement with decisions made regarding their future being made by older voters.

Yes I know they are - their lack of life experience drives that disagreement.

So what people disagree with you because of lack of life experience.

Rubbish.

I have a younger brother, he has two degrees, has traveled all over the world and been actively involved in politics, he is 25

But what because you are older than him your view carries more weight?

Nonsense, I don't care if you are 18 or 88, your vote carries as much weight as anyone else and so long as you can explain and justify your views that's fine by me

I wonder why we insist on voting for a leader. When the very act of doing so expresses the inability to self govern. And wonder why how we've become enslaved? Our interpretation of government is in segments, phases and not in unified totality

originally posted by: Indigohues
I wonder why we insist on voting for a leader. When the very act of doing so expresses the inability to self govern. And wonder why how we've become enslaved? Our interpretation of government is in segments, phases and not in unified totality

That is a pretty loaded question that I don't think many could answer fully

Corbyn is a nice guy that stands by his principles. Unfortunately his party and the machine that drives it is full of backstabbing, conniving scumbags.

The donors and lobbyists that are going to bandwagon the labour party now it's obvious that May is deliberately trying to throw this election are going to dismantle damn near everything in that manifesto.