Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Peeple

That is what happens when you learn to cope! You have grown. Not just a bit but a lot. OM is the reverberation of Universe through all time. Many wondrous and beautiful things can be discovered by being still. Looks like you found out something about yourself that you doubted was even there. It was there the whole time. We see it in you. The problem is, only you can see it in yourself. If we point it out, you would not believe.

I'm proud that you figured that out! Most discoveries about self seem small but like real good chaos theory, have large consequences.

Thanks for reposting the creepy humans! That is classic! What was Carl Sagan on because I want some too!

I also have a little woo to report, I seem to be partially (with certain topics) ahead of my time.
In one thread fe I was talking about asylum centres as if they're a fact and just now days later they decided to start to build them. I could have sworn they exist.

All in all I think because information is lighter than light and consciousness an emergent more of information than matter, because it too seems to be lighter than light and the brain merely the anker(?). More like "interface through which it effects matter of a certain weight".
Mass. Imagine the implication if you are lighter than light. It means you're likely to be faster than light. And smaller. And attracted to things with bigger mass. The lighter you are the more things become black holes.

Think about it.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

carl was on cosmos.. That kind of drug is out of this world..


pssssttt..

you said reverbs lol.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I was talking about why I'm pro herb and notsomuch alcohol. Has that ever happened to you with beer?

I know that, but from a "you got to work for it" approach. What are you on David? I mean what are you talking about "we see it in you"?
I don't think you talk about what I talked about.

a reply to: Reverbs

Bwaaaahhhaaaaaa!!!! (echo... echo... ech.....)

a reply to: Peeple


Your personal growth! You found a center and found out a bit about yourself. That "bit" is what I'm blathering about. I think I am pretty good at "reading" people. All I am saying is that you are stronger than you know. That you are more loving than you know. And that we love you too! Which is why we are hanging out in the back of the class passing notes!!

Carl Sagan loved to smoke, ya know!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I wanted to say I never sent nude pictures out in the aether, but that would be a lie. We really do, do that. But I think it's intended as more selective than complete strangers I know nothing about.
And that was a lie too


Biology is one powerful b1tch, that way I can understand why Carl sent nude pictures.

How is it I start rambling and everything goes silent in here?
I don't care I got stuff to talk about, feel free to jump in whenever you feel like it.

So let's talk about "it". What are we talking about? That's the problem.
Nobody knows.

You guys are far out for me. TEOT has seizures and Reverbs had some injury, right? You guys make no clean slate. No offense but you are no good specimens to be used to prove it is happening with no medical cause.
Far out also means, that's not what I experience at all, far from that.
That is the reason why nobody knows, because you can't find two freaking people going through the same thing and not raise suspicions of agreement between them.
My weirdness was all originating from other humans. I was just having a good time and thinking. People suddenly acted strange. And I am a bit disapointed about the subvocal speech thread, that's also not what happened, I know animals understood my thoughts too and they answered. In spoken words. But as thoughts. My horse gave me a riding lesson. (I love that son of a bitch.)
The cats not tough they only came to me when the tide was low in the flow. I think they avoided the possibility I could understand them, as predator. Seems legit, but oh my Oskar was my favouritest little baby. A grey tom. So sick as baby but he handled it well. And so cute. Cudly, a bit weird he kept his baby behaviour. Look you deep in the eyes and make his milk drinking claw grabs as the babies do when they drink from their mother. You have to admit that's a weird thing to do just to get the attention. For an adult.
And IT. And live broadcasts. I think even records, but that then was more like from future communication backwards with messages to me. And books were like they were written for me.
From others like me written for me, as a message how their time on Earth went.
What places, drinks, activities, ... they enjoyed.
Douglas Adams of course is a different league than most that's why he is more like "giving a speech" through his work.

How to unify that with all the Jesuses, and Gods and Timetravellers and demon hunters... on ATS alone, in a way that doesn't sound far out...? Eeeeh ... I don't know.
Someone is wrong. If there is such a thing as wrong in this matter. Which on second thought seems impossible. How can your experience be wrong? It is what you are going through.


I add: dogs just are. There's not more than what they express with their body. They just are. And deserve a lot more respect, they basically went Zen in their experience. That also causes some problems sure. We should spend a lot more time with them if we own one. They life from the experience. Take them with you everywhere you can. Tell them how good they are a lot. The feedback you can get from giving a little extra love is intense. Just share. Let loose.
But also they are dogs. They enjoy stuff we find disgusting. Rotten fish to rub in. Many like #. There's that too.


And personally I think Earth really could have a consciousness herself. Different than ours sure, but like the sum of every living thing on Earth forming a selfaware "nerve centre" controller. Kind of like we humans are made of smaller living things. Which all have a say in a way.
But of course that doesn't explain a lot of things also happening.
....

And let's be clear everything we could do to force, or order it whatever god is to do, will likely end up hunting yourself but not much else.
That's not how it works. (I'm all over the place in another thread I think I said: god is just a empty label we know nothing about. I believe there is not really a single story where god interacts directly with a human?)
Maybe back in the days people were so used to most doing the work while some stroll through their parks and castles, or the ancestor of that luxury you get when you're top dog, they naturally assumed this was servant of a Master?
Just saying slavery is very old and with old I mean like always since we settled and had hard work but not for everybody.
45,000 years in Europe?
We really have to get over that deeply ingrained image of a social order where the masses are servants and the few lucky. We can build robots now. Soon even robots with an AI. Imagine that is self learning and you train it like a fast growing hyper intelligent adorable little puppy? That would be nice, right. They don't need sleep, but can go to standby if you tell them too. And if you show it how to do research, you can set the course and the research sources and than it needs to learn how you want your synopsis. You just need to show it one time. Neat, right?

Well yeah good news lucky ones the hungry slaves now have time to be also lucky! That's where I notice I'm everything ATS fears (some) : a humanistic liberal and kind of globalist but more for something called "glocal".
Yeah, I'm that kind of hippy. What I don't get is what's not to like about that?

Are you still there?

a reply to: Peeple

I'm working the longer hours lately.. Would be funny if I could show you the old cafe where I mentioned "earth as feminine consciousness" and you bit my head off lol.. Bottom of your second post here??

in looking for it I found a band called "Fractal Reverbs" hahha..




As far as woo and "injury?" My woo starts as far back as I can remember. I was a very healthy kid. Actually my injuries generally turn off woo effects.

but I do think you don't get one without the other. Its like the woo isnt objectively there unless you are weird enough to look. I seem to have quite the proclivity in brining the woo out for people to see around me. Its like a certain headspace maybe.
Brain entrain..

my biggest woo started before drugs. Meditation was something I sort of knew through cartoons like the lion king.. I just tried it and it freaking rocked my world. Before that I had lots of dejavu (remembering the future and saying it before it happened) and the demon stuff..

I was all math and science back then.. Then Bam I turned into golden liquid love oil and went full on hippy.. damn meditation completely rewired my brain and now Im all "reverberations talk to plants earth mother man."

lol..

I just don't know what to say about it all for the very thing you speak like... It takes a crazy person to see that it's crazy.. Sort of like reality and what you think reality is interact with each other so no matter what you can never be sure you are seeing what somone else would see, and yet what you see is there.. but if you didn't look would there be anything to see?

"reality" could be one massive brain entrainment agreement of the all, that locally can be altered by those in that place of mind.. I think generally it just leads people to going crazy (seeing their own reality)...

I sort of lost the plot, what's the point of seeing if what I'm seeing I might be deciding to see?? That's just a subset of:

I don't know what reality is anymore. Would be weird if its some sort of information projection originating from deep inside what ever consciousness is..

ps..

I found your alien.




lmao

a reply to: Reverbs

No flowerman I mean if your existence should be used as proof woo happens to people, the audience or some of them will say "but he has an injury..." I think it starts for everybody in childhood in a way.
There really is something wrong about us.
But in the end only "it" can prove it exists.

Let's gossip a bit,
You know who I really like? Krazyshot. I noticed I star almost every post of his I stumble across.
Also DBCowboy is funny, I said sthg about hillbilly-fundamentalists and he said "We prefer to be called hill-william."
I think he thinks I'm totally against everything he says, but I can respect pretty much all of it.
And what's up with Augustus? Remember we talked about grain, oil and whine? And he can't deny that happened, can he? I'm seriously too scared to ask.

What are you thinking honey?

a reply to: Peeple

oh that..

well, you'll find the evidence in brain scans at some point.. People are seeing or hearing telepathically those parts will light up..

like the right parahippacampus? that seems to light up when telepathically seeing something. also its the same area that lights up if you hallucinate and is a known thing to be commonly shaped differently in schizophreniac brains.

My Left brain becoming less dominant was at the same time my woo went super woo.

The left side of the brain is responsible for controlling the right side of the body. It also performs tasks that have to do with logic, such as in science and mathematics. On the other hand, the right hemisphere coordinates the left side of the body, and performs tasks that have do with creativity and the arts.

I went from full blown scientific atheist math dude studying computers and engineering to "I met god."
I don't care about anything I used to, especially not computers or engineering. I went full on meditation 11:11, synchronicity, random web thoughtform connections, bam here I am.

so studies showing whats doing what in the brain linked with telepathy studies will be yum yum.

We already know meditation truly alters the brain in huge ways. Different types of meditation do different things. Somone will discover how to replicate what I did and do it even better. Technically I guess the closest thing to it would be called "kundalini meditation."

thats longterm changes in brain structure mind you, but on the short term, even first try you will be altering alpha and likely theta waves in the brain..

I would have to purchase the articles Ive foumd on this but meditation makes your brain grow in specific regions hippocampus being one, which makes sense as meditation enhances your memory quite a lot.

I rambled.. So right brained..


anyway lets focus here.

WIRED

It's even less common for a serious science paper, published in an elite journal, to show that psi is a real phenomenon. But that's exactly what Daryl Bem of Cornell University has demonstrated in his new paper, "Feeling the Future: Experimental Evidence for Anomalous Retroactive Influences on Cognition and Affect," which was just published in* The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology*.

Bem's experimental method was extremely straightforward. He took established psychological protocols, such as affective priming and recall facilitation, and reversed the sequence, so that the cause became the effect. For instance, he might show students a long list of words and ask them to remember as many as possible. Then, the students are told to type a selection of words which had been randomly selected from the same list. Here's where things get really weird: the students were significantly better at recalling words that they would later type.

here is a PDF of the original paper



Now with this in mind..

We do all remember my post about light being a particle or a wave and deciding that after the fact of either being a particle or a wave?? Where cause and effect were seemingly reversed in time??

I wrote on ATS a long time ago a future choice changed my past so my present didnt kill me.. I sounded crazy to myself back then for sure, but it seems my experiences hold true again and again.

Heres a good run down on the "delayed choice experiment."

here

Putting it simply, why not trick the light by conducting one kind of experiment that forced it to choose its reality, and just before it hits the last detector another piece of apparatus randomly forces a sneak peek?


In this latest version, the researchers split a pulse of laser light using Italian Space Agency's Matera Laser Ranging Observatory (MLRO), so a photon could either take a shorter path, or be sent on a slightly more convoluted detour.

The two paths merged before heading on a several thousand kilometre journey to an orbiting satellite, from where the photon bounced back to the planet's surface.

Back at the MLRO, a quantum random number generator – about as random as we can get – chose whether or not a device delayed the incoming photon.

The researchers found they could affect whether the photon was perceived as a wave or a particle well after it had passed through the important parts of the experiment.

It's as if the random decision to let the photon pass through made it go back in time and choose one path, while delaying it meant it still had a history of possibilities, each of which would then interfere with its detection to reveal a wave-like nature.

Ive seen even better set ups where by it has been shown its not the measuring its the knowing. Ot relies on many more detectors and choices for the photons.. in the end there is one path that never goes through a detector, and so should be a wave, but it ends up being a particle.. How? Bevause of the set up we know the particle took that path through process of elimination.. so no direct interaction to change a wave to a particle, only knowing it should be there was needed.

In any case its still making a choice in the future that happens in the present or a present choice that chooses the past.

I wouldn't be surprised if information (gained through esp or otherwise) is just like the photon.

Woo..

There goes Reverbs just woke up post of the day for ya.

a reply to: Reverbs

On a hopefully non wooish note..
Im about to have a lease sent to my phone to sign.
After which I'll send an Echeck and monday perhaps ill move.

Whew.

a reply to: Reverbs

Out of the spooky place you're in now. Ghost activities, poltergeists like you had, are always local, or attached to a person.
Let's hope it's the first, right?

a reply to: Peeple

Who can know such a thing. I'm always there when it happens to me lol.. kind of like everyday at work im like "whos working with me today?" And it's always reverbs phew... its gonna be a good day at work that dude cracks me up!


But actually im living on a few couches lol. After I caught the last gf in my bed with a dude and we shared a 1 bedroom both on the lease i took my name off and found a temporary 3 month stay.. that ran out in january and ever since I havnt found anything. But yes that place my childhood home is quite spooky. None of the animals would spend any time in the fully finished basement no matter how much i coaxed them to keep me safe while I played mario brothers on the downstairs tv.


Now I'll have some privacy. It'll be like the good ole days hanging out with stoners and rock bands.

a reply to: Reverbs

That's crazy. You work all the time and got no place? Fingers crossed for you BB. I bet it's crazy stressful.

a reply to: Peeple

Its not a money issue peeps. Ive been spending $50 a day for weeks lol.. Of course I would love to snag that job and 2$ more per hour we shall see. Now I must go back to living normally lol.

No its that I live in the top public school district in my state.. Its generally top 15 in the country. Also a major college town (30,000 students). Best Hospitals...

As in yes the rent is very high and you do have to find the hidden gems, but also every mother eFFer is moving here, and there just aren't enough spots. Small town turning into a city at an insane rate.



Stress is not what happens to you its how you react to what happens to you. Meditation shows you how to decide what to think/feel. I laugh too much to freak out because ive lived in the woods before even. Where other people think there life would be over I just think "I guess we are doing this now."

Of course this is a relief don't get me wrong. Ive come in, out of the storm.

a reply to: Reverbs

And what do you think will the woo follow you? Which in your case really sounds like a poltergeist.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

And what do you think will the woo follow you? Which in your case really sounds like a poltergeist.

I have woo everyehere, but its much stronger here.
Mind you I havnt stayed here since like 10 years ago for a bit after the Army. Before I chased a girl in college lol.. She got to see most of my most weird times. Very psychic with that one. People got mad at us like "hey you guys are thinking about me!"

Demon or whatever stuff Im expecting Ill have no issues.




"You can run but you can't hide."

a reply to: Reverbs

What are demons? I think whatever we discover we should give a new name.