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a reply to: Reverbs

Oh! Nice! I'm home sick for another week. I'm actually pretty fine, but ey! Right? I'm watching Rogue One (?) Star Wars
It sucks.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

Oh! Nice! I'm home sick for another week. I'm actually pretty fine, but ey! Right? I'm watching Rogue One (?) Star Wars
It sucks.

Thats one of the new ones? Ive watched them all and they were all forgetable. Last jedi had too many retarded parts so I remember that one just wish i didnt remember haha.

a reply to: Peeple

you inspired me to get netflix.

time to go watch altered carbon.

a reply to: Reverbs

Limoncello goes great with every movie. That's what I'm having. I believe it even helps with my coughing.
I'll try to get so drink and high I black out.
Adieu schnöde Welt.
For a few minutes.
But I'm pretty upset with everything going on at the moment. Political, social, trade wars and whatnot.

a reply to: Peeple

this is a fun one from npr

can we change the past?

At the level of quantum particles (we are talking individual photons, elementary particles or individual atoms), there is something called Wheeler's delayed-choice experiments that show that actions in the present can influence the past.

The experiments use something called the wave-particle duality of light and of matter, the fact that the physical nature of quantum objects is undetermined until it is measured.

choices made after a photon or wave goes a certain way then decide what already happened sort of placing the past in the future moving from cause to effect. depending on what we look for now we will see that even if the thing was not that before.. almost as if reality at the quantum level is only decided once you look haha.

by the way objects as large as bucky balls behave quantum mechanically. So 60 carbon atoms all bonded together like a soccer ball can be a wave or a ball going through both slits or one interfering with itself and theoretically you can decide after its travels how it traveled..









wave particle duality of bucky ball

One of the deepest mysteries of quantum mechanics is that an interference pattern is formed even if there is only one particle in the experimental set-up at any given time. The Vienna team write that “all these observations support the view that each carbon-60 molecule interferes with itself only.” They also confirmed that the interactions of the molecules with their environment – such as the spontaneous emission of photons by the thermally excited molecules – could not reveal which slit they had passed through. Even the mere possibility of being able to know which slit the particle passes through would be enough to wipe out the interference pattern.

but it gets better...

quantum interference of large organic molecules

The wave nature of matter is a key ingredient of quantum physics and yet it defies our classical intuition. First proposed by Louis de Broglie a century ago, it has since been confirmed with a variety of particles from electrons up to molecules. Here we demonstrate new high-contrast quantum experiments with large and massive tailor-made organic molecules in a near-field interferometer. Our experiments prove the quantum wave nature and delocalization of compounds composed of up to 430 atoms

scientists smash record for wave particle duality

And that raises an interesting question: how big an object can physicists observe behaving like a wave? Today, Sandra Eibenberger at the University of Vienna in Austria and a few pals say they’ve smashed the record for a quantum superposition by observing wavelike behaviour in giant molecules containing over 800 atoms...

...However, it still leaves open the question of how big an object can be and still be observed forming a quantum superposition. These molecules are of course tiny but they are within an order of magnitude or so of the smallest viruses.

kinda interesting..

no?

virus waves!

this one is a proposal, but pay attention here..


Quantum superposition, entanglement, and state teleportation of a microorganism on an electromechanical oscillator

A microorganism with a mass much smaller than the mass of the electromechanical membrane will not significantly affect the quality factor of the membrane and can be cooled to the quantum ground state together with the membrane. Quantum superposition and teleportation of its center-of-mass motion state can be realized with the help of superconducting microwave circuits. More importantly, the internal states of a microorganism, such as the electron spin of a glycine radical, can be entangled with its center-of-mass motion and teleported to a remote microorganism. Our proposal can be realized with state-of-art technologies. The proposed setup is a quantum-limited magnetic resonance force microscope. Since internal states of an organism contain information, our proposal also provides a scheme for teleporting information or memories between two remote organisms.

or as I say its all in my head and it keeps writing itself over from any point in time.

woo see.. If I was hungover I wouldn't be able to read countless physics papers/articles.





the puzzling role of biophotons in the brain

In recent years, a growing body of evidence shows that photons play an important role in the basic functioning of cells. Most of this evidence comes from turning the lights off and counting the number of photons that cells produce. It turns out, much to many people’s surprise, that many cells, perhaps even most, emit light as they work...

...In fact, it looks very much as if many cells use light to communicate. There’s certainly evidence that bacteria, plants and even kidney cells communicate in this way. Various groups have even shown that rats brains are literally alight thanks to the photons produced by neurons as they work...

...Maybe. They go on to suggest that the light channelled by microtubules can help to co-ordinate activities in different parts of the brain. It’s certainly true that electrical activity in the brain is synchronised over distances that cannot be easily explained. Electrical signals travel too slowly to do this job, so something else must be at work.

a reply to: Reverbs

Aw you shouldn't have.

So much! I'll read it now, in a bit.

a reply to: Reverbs

down the rabbit holes I go.

human intelligence is responsible for spectral redshift in biophotonic activities in the brain

The neural network studies have indicated that neural signal transmission and encoding is in a nonlinear network mechanism (8–10), in which biophotons, also called ultraweak photon emission (UPE), may be involved (11). A recent study has demonstrated that glutamate, the most abundant neurotransmitter in the brain, could induce biophotonic activities and transmission in neural circuits (12), suggesting that biophotons may play a key role in neural information processing and encoding and may be involved in quantum brain mechanism (11, 13–16);

photon afterglow could transmit information without energy

First, we use quantum antennas, i.e., antennas that are in a quantum superposition of states," Kempf told Phys.org. "For example, with current quantum optics technology, atoms can be used as such antennas. Secondly, we use the fact that, when real photons are emitted (and propagate at the speed of light), the photons leave a small afterglow of virtual photons that propagate slower than light. This afterglow does not carry energy (in contrast to real photons), but it does carry information about the event that generated the light. Receivers can 'tap' into that afterglow, spending energy to recover information about light that passed by a long time ago."

How to use light to control the brain

In a new study, published in Nature, a group of researchers from MIT showed for the first time that it is possible to activate a memory on demand, by stimulating only a few neurons with light, using a technique known as optogenetics. Optogenetics is a powerful technology that enables researchers to control genetically modified neurons with a brief pulse of light.

To artificially turn on a memory, researchers first set out to identify the neurons that are activated when a mouse is making a new memory. To accomplish this, they focused on a part of the brain called the hippocampus, known for its role in learning and memory, especially for discriminating places. Then they inserted a gene that codes for a light-sensitive protein into hippocampal neurons, enabling them to use light to control the neurons.

Its not all directly connected Im just musing over light and quantum effects and consciousness telepathy and woo..

a reply to: Reverbs

our thread is being monitored... how are we all posting double or triple for one?

lag can mean hidden processes happening in the background, hmmmm

Does the history take place in your own subjective mind

this

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

Aw you shouldn't have.

So much! I'll read it now, in a bit.

never did make it to netflix. I have trouble watching things just to watch them when i could be imagining woo physics instead lol.

I said:

originally posted by: Peeple
...

I heard spies these days have a really bad life threatening work climate and are underpaid.

Just now I found this
Assassination attempt on former spy

Does that count?

a reply to: Peeple

only if you are not directly involved.

a reply to: Reverbs


It's just a shift to the left. Then a shift to the right!
You put your hands on your hips, bring your knees in tight...

Let's do the time warp again!!

My, what a prolific post! And the same crazy TEOT frenzy reasserts itself! I have already read those! And when I pop up awake in the early morning hours, my mind drifts along, either connecting dots or just gobbling them up like insensitive pac-man, sprinting to the next level. Then I read about wave guides and topological insulators and ponder thoughts that just like your post here!

Only here on ATS would such an out there idea about light and the brain cross. I mean, the entire universe is a wash in light (cosmic microwave background radiation). Add in the idea of extended cognition (like the spider web), then with the right kind of sunglasses our brains could be galaxy-wide! But not just one mind but all minds! And like bees, some would be tuned into one slice of the spectrum while others could see more. Makes all the hippy talk of vibes seem like sun shine!

Then discovering the Other is not scary or frightening but an act of truly seeing through some one else's eyes.

Fear leads to the dark side!

eta: The general misery of upgrading your own computer after calling the Help Desk

Another forced update this morning. "Cool, do it before I start my day and go from there", I think. Nope. Not even close. After the first reboot, it hung. The second one, was really slow. Then if your computer really speeds up that is a sign something is not happening. My updated computer refused to recognize the company network! I kept getting, "Unknown network, you are not connected." The inner nerd in me is POd. So I do the proper thing and start going down the list of what it might be. Bad cable? Nope. Bad settings? Nope. Bad hardware? Nope, I can get on the other network just fine. Long story short, 1.5 hours later, and trying the stupidest of things that I know would not work, I plug the cable back in and it decided that it was on the company network and gave me an address which allowed me on the internet.

I know it was not me. It was not the cable (or settings, configurations, rebooted a couple times). The last thing it could be, network guys moving crap around and not having things configured correctly.

For a computer dude who hasn't entered in command line commands in over 5 years, I think it is pretty good that I could remember the commands and fuddle my way through (how's that for a word, Peeps?!)

No matter how easy they make it, no matter how much you know, there is always the possibility that some idiot, not doing their job right, can sink your best efforts and make you feel stupid too!

Using perturbation theory to describe the orbits of smaller bodies around large ones in space required Batygin to posit all objects in each specific orbit as a single entity and “smear” them into the form of a concentric ring, or wire. In the model, each such ring exhibited the same gravitational force as the combined individual objects, but uniformly distributed.

In such an approach, the solar system, for instance, would be represented by the sun, followed by a wire ring for each planet, plus others for the asteroid belt and Kuiper belt. Computer simulations representing millions of years showed that these rings behaved in ways that closely mirrored the behaviour of the real composite disc surrounding the sun.

Batygin then started refining the model, realising that he could portray any astrophysical system as a centre surrounded by ever more numerous, but ever thinner, wires until, inevitably, the wires blended into a single plane.

“Eventually, you can approximate the number of wires in the disk to be infinite, which allows you to mathematically blur them together into a continuum,” he says. “When I did this, astonishingly, the Schrödinger equation emerged in my calculations.”

CosmosMagazine.com, March 5, 2018 - Quantum equation describes galaxy mechanics.

I can explain a bit of this. The galaxy is modeled as a point mass with an orbit. That tells them how the various bodies orbit around the central black hole. As the number of bodies increase, you can just make a generalization about as being a flat disc of wires around the BH. It is continuous which means you can "sum up" or integrate across the surface. When he did this Schrödinger equation pops out! This the probabilistic wave function that describes the allowed energy within a system (and where particles might exist). This has been checked and re-checked for various atoms and it works!

This is just bizarre! You have discrete things like planets and stars, you try and determine how they interact with a BH, you do the maths and you back up at Schrödinger equation and the very small!

What were we saying about applying one set of rules at various levels...

A wicked sense of humor! And very practical too! One description for it all that encodes the super small and things light years apart. No need for quantum gravity either! I wonder what that means?? This is what I mean by quantum effects in a 2D surface.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

haha love the way you write sometimes like you are making 10 jokes at once.

Yea fear almost got me once upon a time. Did you mean to put that next to "seeing through someone else's eyes?" or is that just the universe making fun of me again?

Seems we are thinking the same things in general.

I sometimes feel like my body mind goes through automatic updates and they dont always integrate so smoothly with the old code. check sum error 101.

Science is making me feel like Im back in my hippie dippy days.. "its all connected man... Its all vibrations!"

Maybe next time Ill find something you havnt read?
I love how sometimes you say something and it changes the meaning of other things already thought. The cascading effect of if this is now this then that other thing is now this and my mind just spins out into infinity rewriting reality.

but yea thats new on me. I had no idea an 800 atom molecule could experience nonlocality. Really thought that was reserved for tiny stuff..

I mean I personally think the universe is way weirder than relativity, but Ive never come up with a way to show that to anyone on cue... As of yet.. Hearing thoughts or remembering the future has been witnessed by enough people.. But If I could do something like that on purpose.

At this rate I think science is going to beat me to the zero point.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

A few questions:
What exactly does the Schrödinger equation consist with?
Isn't the orbit integral the logical gravity approach? I mean isn't it kind of the same?
But Why does Schrödinger show up?

What I found Schrödinger is Hamilton × time dependent change of the non-relativistic state of a system, not?
Hamilton is the energy operator we go back to Planck E=h×f
h=2pi
f=frequency of the particle
So... electric universe is right? Gravity is going back to particles. United field theory? What's going on here?



Help the peeple.



Todays movie It's a Disaster!

a reply to: Peeple

that movie sounds messed up fun lol.

a reply to: Reverbs

It's the intellectual take of a disaster movie. Less action more complicated relationships.
But it's fun.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

It's the intellectual take of a disaster movie. Less action more complicated relationships.
But it's fun.

yea I have trouble caring about people if the action never stops. Id be more interested in the psychological aspects.

What Im concerned about now is do I have work today? hahaha I normally would but no one seems to be on the same page. Id rather lay around watching netflix.

I forgot to drink last night so my dreams were just annoying. Very, disaster movie actually. Spent most of the time trying to get doors to lock, watching out for hungry humans with knives, guns.. and trying to teach my people how to fly..

They never got it. Just freaking fly guys we can raid whatever groceries we need over those walls. I went alone and of course got caught up in a giant mess.

Freaking people man.

a reply to: Reverbs

You say it dude, freaking people. If a society reached a height in the past, there was a point where certain events came together and they went in decay.
Romans, Aztecs, Egyptians, Austrian, British Things,, ...
It's always more than one thing that goes wrong and often the enemy is within. One of them.
Never trust people.