Does going to heaven make you inhuman

Every now and then you see a show about serial killers, psychopaths, or sociopaths and all the horror they've inflicted upon their victims. In those same shows you learn that these people can do the things they do, unfazed, due to a lack of Empathy and a severely reduced, or non existent depth of emotions.

It made me wonder 'what happens to you, emotionally, when you go to heaven?'

Everyone seems to have varying views on what heaven would be like, but there's an exclusive intrinsic view that encompasses every view of it, from what I've heard of peoples opinions; you will be happy, euphoric, forever.

If that's the case, then could you not feel sadness?

Many of us would be mentally destroyed knowing as a fact that a relative of ours is in hell, burning for eternity, being skinned forever, tortured, and so forth, maybe for nothing more than simply being a good person, but not following the god that rules the heaven you're in. As billions of earth-equivalent years pass, that same relative of yours has been going through continuous dismemberment as you frolic in the sky.

If you can't feel sadness anymore, you've just become that psychopath, what you consider now to be inhuman. You've been stripped of what makes us human, our emotional pallet. You no longer can feel anything because you're in a constant state of joy.

Perhaps, in your view, when you enter heaven, you forget all about what happened to your life on Earth so that your god prevents you from feeling bad about those who didn't come with you? If that's the case, then what was the point of that 'test' anyways, if all that ends up happening is the equivalent of it never happening in the first place.

To me, the concept of heaven is intrinsically contradictory. You, as an individual, win the lottery, while billions of others suffer forever because they didn't pass the test. a test that was finite, with an infinite punishment or success; which certainly doesn't seem just. You are given emotions during life, only to have them taken away afterwards? again, it makes no sense, especially considering emotional depth is ever varying in its severity. If you naturally had little to no depth, like those psychopaths, then they have a far higher likelihood of going to hell simply because they were born that way. The test is therefore not fair.

Can someone please explain away my confusion.

a reply to: Ghost147

Depends, first century Christians believed that we never go to heaven...

That we wait in the ground until Armageddon and are resurrected in the flesh , and heaven is on earth. After Jesus leads his armies to kill all the unbelievers..

What Christians believe has constantly shifted and changed.. so depends on what era you buy into.

a reply to: Ghost147

Also hell as a concept is less than 1000 years old..

A missionary couldn't go into some barbarian village and tell them that the Christian God was gonna kidnap their soul and torture them for all eternity . If they don't do what the missionary says...

They would have cut his head off before he got off his horse...

Hell wasnt invented until after Christianity was the governing body. Before then it wouldn't have worked.

a reply to: Ghost147

There is a place in the Bible Samuel 28:7-20) ... In a short answer there seems to be the ability of displeasure of being bothered by someone on this side of the divide .

a reply to: Ghost147

You have made some very bizarre assumptions, so many wild and catholic beliefs in your statement
Sometimes a person needs to grow and stop with being fed as a child

Your whole premise is childish

You choose, your choice?

I mean really. How would anyone know what heaven is like?

I've never been there.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

oh dear - you REALLY have not thought this claim through have you ?

a reply to: Ghost147

For the sake of the argument let's just assume heaven and hell are a real place. Why does it even matter? It's nearly impossible to follow any religion without contradicting yourself in your belief daily. The older you get you will always be destined to commit a sin be it intentional or unintentional. All religions have the heaven and hell thing in common and still it's not enough to keep humans from murdering each other because of said beliefs. Besides good and evil is just a matter of perspective. If i kill a terrorist who was in the midst of commiting an attack i would certainly be hailed a hero but killing people is wrong no matter what thus condemning me to an eternity in hell. From my perspective i would do the world a favor and because it is the right thing to do. That's why i decided it's all BS and now i just live by my own code devoid of religious beliefs. I decide what is right or wrong. I know that makes me an outcast but after all the sh!t i've been through i'm done pretending to fit into our society just because.

In doing that i broke free of all the worries in the world. I don't fear anything anymore not even death. It's kinda sick how we are manipulated into fearing so many things that are inevitable. According to all the religions in the world i sinned countless times and i'm pretty much okay with it. I already creted my own personal hell so i doubt it can get any worse than it already is for me. Besides the after life in heaven is always described as pure bliss but doesnt that kinda get boring after a while? You are basically doomed to observe your loved ones you left behind go through all the stages of grieving and just wait for them to die to be reunited. If you think about it. It sounds pretty cruel.

Let's start a little thought experiment. What if death is the most horrible thing that can happen to you because all you experience after death is nothing but darkness in a pure pitch black environment. You are concious but unable to do anything. Let's assume this could be proven without a shadow of a doubt. Would all the current conflicts in the world just stop and people start avoiding to die all the time or would the cycle of violence continue despite all that? Would you prefer the sories about heaven and hell just to give you a sense of control over your fate or would you accept the reality? It's in fact all the same. The fear of hell doesn't prevent anything bad from happening and knowing death is the ultimate end wouldn't change that either. It's all in your mind.

Living under false hopes and pretenses is one of many reasons why the world is like it is now. Believing in heaven or hell doesn't change who you are or strive to become. Fearing all of this is just irrational and nothing more. I did many questionable things but i did them on my own volition and not because god or the devil told me to do them. I'm not compelled by a religious belief that dictates what is right and wrong. You just have to live with the consequences of all your actions and own up to them. If you want to believe going to heaven makes you inhuman so be it but nobody here is going to give you a straight answer or the answer you're looking for.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: JoshuaCox

oh dear - you REALLY have not thought this claim through have you ?

Yep. Nothing he said makes sense.
1000 years? what the Hell

I should hope not! I've had some epic dry heaving hangovers. It may SOUND inhuman but I promise you I'm still human. Lol. JK.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Ghost147
What Christians believe has constantly shifted and changed.. so depends on what era you buy into.

Or even which Christian you talk to.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Didn't Jesus talk about hell pretty much more than anything else? That was around 2k years ago. Just one example you have not a clue.

1.) emotion (I doubt my made up claim) was evolved with the urge to express human nature. Before it became a language we know today it was used to warn others, or ask for help (I.g. Crying etc.).

When you die you won't feel emotion. You'll just feel... there. You'll feel very light like a feather.

2.) Hell doesn't exist after this life. Hell is already here. Hell are the consequences you brought yourself upon while doing the "wrong".

The hell that is used in modern religion was made up to scare people into becoming morally perfect. That was the Great Awaking before or during the early ages of American colonist.

3.) Besides hell would be a pointless place to be. God being so powerful would snap his fingers and wipe away the souls without torture. He could have compassion on the soul and give a slow painless existence, or he can make it painful and slow for the soul.

Either way, don't scar yourself because others told you you will burn in hell. That was to "fix" immoral behaviour back then. Now it's used a weapon to make you believe or otherwise face social consequences because you don't go to church.

Don't become a "Pharisee".

Every soul evolve sooner or later. How far up and down it evolves is up to the soul.

This place is as low as I go. And this is a hell dimension compared to other places. The insanity and corruptibility of the souls on this level is bad enough for me.

The place I want to belong to is where the higher leveled psychics and empaths are where the instant backlash corrects golden rule deviations. Once you know of soul mate oneness experience it is hard to settle for less.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ghost147

You have made some very bizarre assumptions, so many wild and catholic beliefs in your statement
Sometimes a person needs to grow and stop with being fed as a child

feel free to educate me instead of just insult me

I wasn't making assumptions, I have been told directly, by Christians, that this is what they believe personally (notice how I am not stating that 'all of Christianity claims this'

Please learn how to use reading comprehension more efficiently. No need for your seemingly insufferable distaste for any content I post on this site to bleed into every response you make directed at me.

Or is it that you're just here to troll again? I noticed you haven't added anything of context to this thread. yet again

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Ghost147

Depends, first century Christians believed that we never go to heaven...

That we wait in the ground until Armageddon and are resurrected in the flesh , and heaven is on earth. After Jesus leads his armies to kill all the unbelievers..

What Christians believe has constantly shifted and changed.. so depends on what era you buy into.

Yes, I understand that Christianity evolves over time, I was more-so inquiring about individual's beliefs, as it seems to always be different.

Out of curiosity, what do you belief?

originally posted by: Ghost147
Can someone please explain away my confusion.

Part I

So here's what I think happens when you die. You know how people who have had near death experiences talk about a white light. At the moment of your death, when you turn and look into the face of God, I think you get two choices. The first choice is to bravely and humbly look into the face of God. At that point, you become so enamored with God’s infinite beauty, all time ceases to exist, you stop having conscious thoughts, and you melt into the mind of God experiencing eternal heavenly bliss. The God experience is greatest possible experience one can have by definition. No other experience is so fulfilling and complete than the God experience, again, by definition. The God experience is like every cell in your entire body is having a simultaneous orgasm. Even though this only happens for a few nanoseconds before physical death, with your brain operating at 100% heightened neural capacity, it feels like eternity to the conscious self.

The second choice, for whatever reason, you decide to look away from the face of God. At that moment, God immediately gives you the power of omnipotence. An omnipotent God can certainly dole out the power of omnipotence and still retain all his powers. Now at first this may sound like a really good thing. But after millions and millions of years, which is only nanoseconds real time, living out all your petty profane desires and imaginations you will become extremely bored. After having sex with two chicks 10,000 times is probably enough. Eventually you will decide to turn back and look into the face of God. However, this time you don't look away. All the reasons you would have to look away have been resolved during your stint with omnipotent powers. And just after you look into the face of God you have the thought what the heck was I thinking when I turned away the first time? Time will then cease to exist as you experience everlasting heavenly bliss.

Now some of you may be thinking, gee, you die, you turn away from God and you get rewarded with the power of having omnipotence. This may sound unfair if you are immature in your thinking and you take pleasure at the thought of sinners suffering. Or maybe your heart is full of hate and you are seeking revenge against people who have sinned against you. But from our omnipotent all-loving God's perspective, what better way to win over someone’s love so absolutely and completely than by perfectly giving them everything their heart desires? The real sad thing is why anyone would ever waste any time at all with petty and profane desires when they can be looking into the face of God basking in the glow of heavenly eternal bliss. Nothing we can imagine or invent could ever come close to experiencing God's infinite beauty.

In thinking about the problem of free-will and hard determinism and how both can be true at the same time, I’ve been resonating with the following idea when you combine the metaphysical implications of the many worlds theory of quantum mechanics with string theory. Given enough time and an infinite number of Big Bang like expansions eventually every possible state of matter will be realized. I think it is important in the studying the mind of God is to realize just how unimaginably huge the mind of God must be to contain all the information that could ever possibly be experienced. I don't think our words can ever come close to a full comprehension. Our view of space and time is so extremely limited.

For example, take our Big Bang for a moment. When you consider the current multiverse string theory our Big Bang is the inflationary result of a star collapsing to black hole from a previously existing space-time dimension. The Universe we are in is not even close to the center of reality. Anyone experiencing this thought is clearly at the beginning of the multiverse timeline. If then you consider there are billions of stars in our Universe capable of collapsing into black holes creating a big-bang like inflationary event, wow, that is really a huge amount of time. And each new black hole is creating billions of more stars capable of the same big-bang inflationary result. My God that's a huge thought to hold in one's head!

So this larger Universe which includes the Multiverse, reality is really big. Time is really long. Any creator God must be revered from the perspective of just how mind boggling it is to imagine something so big and so long can ever be created. Assuming the realm or mind of God exists everywhere and for all time, and independent of whether you believe in a personal anthropomorphic type God or a pantheistic type God, the extent and depth of God's mind is extremely humbling in the most absolute sense imaginable.

At this point in my life, I tend to lean more towards the pantheistic type perspective of God. A pantheistic God is not concerned about personal morality. A pantheistic God is too busy representing the Universe it all its complexity.

Now consider, with that much amount of time, then it is possible for every pattern or configuration of matter that can occur will occur over an infinite number of space-time dimensions created by each big-bang inflationary event. With the Multiverse, every possible quantum state will eventually be realized and experienced.

Now consider the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics:

"The many-worlds interpretation is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts the objective reality of the universal wave function and denies the actuality of wave function collapse. Many-worlds implies that all possible alternate histories and futures are real, each representing an actual "world" (or "universe"). In layman's terms, the hypothesis states there is a very large—perhaps infinite[2]—number of universes, and everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but did not, has occurred in the past of some other universe or universes."

"Many-worlds, however, views reality as a many-branched tree, wherein every possible quantum outcome is realized."

The idea that every possible quantum outcome is realized is important. In one space-time dimension you make one choice in your life. And in another space-time dimension you make a different choice. In each space-time dimension you live out your whole life from that choice forward. In the many worlds interpretation there are infinite number of you’s existing in an infinite number of alternate space-time dimensions. Every possible choice, that is every possible quantum outcome being realized, is played out to its completion.

This has important implications in terms of spirituality. Over this larger view of time, there are in infinite number of you's making "good" choices. And there are an infinite number of you’s making "bad" choices. Every possible choice you are capable of making exists and is played out in some space-time dimension to its completion. Since all our choices are realized over all the space-time dimensions in the multiverse then the question becomes are any of us truly "good" or "evil"?

a reply to: Ghost147

Part II

If every possible version of our character configuration can occur, then I would assert from a spiritual sense the sum total of who we are is neither "good" nor "evil" since all the versions of who we are or who we can be exist in one way or another. In any space-time dimension we are just one manifestation of our spiritual selves. Some are good. Some are bad. Some are little of both. But in the totality of our being we are all neither good nor bad since we are every possible way we can be exists.

An omnipotent God who is aware of every possible version of who we are across the entire multiverse would appreciate us for everything we could possibly be both good and bad. So what I am thinking is an all-powerful all-loving God would allow everyone through the gates of heaven to experience eternal heavenly bliss regardless of our earthly sins or how we practiced, or not practiced, our religion. God's infinite love is not restricted by the choices we make. This is because who we are is every possible choice we can make played out to its completion which actually exists at some point in time.

Some people might say then this means morality is not important. I would reply in one space-time dimension you feel that way. And in another one you do not. How you react to what I am saying is just one possible alternate space-time dimension in the multiverse.

dup

a reply to: dfnj2015

Sorry to burst your bubble but i'm convinced that most NDE's are pure fiction. I had 2 myself and nothing came even close to what i experienced. It was just nothing. A dark and infinite void. There is no god.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Ghost147


What Christians believe has constantly shifted and changed.. so depends on what era you buy into.

Yeah I think the whole Idea of the rapture can be traced to various preachers in mid 18 hundred america so it is realitivly new
idea as far as 2000 year old religion goes.