Trump Defender

Trump defender.. what do you think of when you read that? Doesn't it sound like some type of soldier to you? Maybe with like a helmet and shield, maybe a cool sword or something, he can be like a hero and fight bad guys and stuff... No? Maybe I play too much video games. Luckily for me, this has absolutely nothing to do with my rant thread.

So I've been thinking lately, am I really a Trump supporter? If so, what are some things about him that I support? Let's start with his character - other than his great leadership qualities, there aren't many things left to be admired. Who likes a sensitive, egotistical, narcissist that lies all the time? So I understand the hate (I'll use that term loosely), but I also understand that he is human. Me personally, I wouldn't carry myself the way he does, but I also won't criticize him for who he is either (for what he does is a different story). Nobody is perfect, so who are we to judge anyone? And for those that want to argue that he is the President and it does matter, tell me how his character has effected his presidency other than triggering a bunch of people.

So what about his policies? To be honest, policy and ideology don't mean much to me, I'm more invested in the social and psychological dynamic of things. His wall? In my opinion, good intentions with a bad approach. His intentions are to stop illegal immigrants and keep America safe, not because he's a bigot and hates illegal aliens. His "Muslim ban"? First of all it wasn't even a ban, but yet again, good intentions with a bad approach. His intentions were to keep terrorist's out and keep America safe, not because he's a racist and hates Muslims. I disagree with his stance on science, I disagree his stance on drugs/crime in general and I would disagree with anything that forces an ideology on you. For me it's simple, I'm for as much individual freedoms as possible, live and let live, and I'm pretty sure everyone is the same. And beyond any of these things, I could really care less unless it actually affects me.

So as you can see, there isn't much to be desired and there isn't much to root for -- except for the one thing that I absolutely do support -- and that's the possibility that he is genuine. There are only 3 possibilities in my opinion and thats; he is who he says he is, he is part of the same team (we're screwed regardless), or he's just as dirty as the rest of them and wants to implement his own "regime". Considering there were only 2 options and considering what we know about the sincerity and intentions of the "anti-Trump", how do you not take the chance? What is there to lose? At this point, the only alternative is to let back into power the same entities that have been ruining not only your lives, but also society in general. So again, how can you not take the chance? Pretty sure if the "anti-Trump" get what they want, there will never be another chance like this ever again. So again, why not?

Let me remind everyone that when it comes to this whole Trump dynamic, nobody knows the truth more than the next person, we are all speculating, so if you claim to know the truth, you are a liar. I think what compelled me to make this thread was because the 'fake outrage' is at an all time high and I find myself defending Trump a lot. Just stop, you're not really that angry and we all know you just want to fight, yeah I'm talking to everybody. One thing that I am noticing though, people are finally separating themselves from the extremes and realizing that's it's much more than black and white. I think that's the point of my thread? I'm just trying to give a rational perspective on this entire situation from someone who isn't emotionally or politically invested.

Now if anyone can read all of this and still tell me that I'm an idiot and that I am wrong for defending Trump, that I am naive and short-sighted with my judgement, or that I'm just oblivious to some facts or factors that would otherwise sway me, please do enlighten me, and please, please do not bring with you any projection or conjecture.

Anyways, I'm saying too much now and I think I've made my point. Don't mind me, just my overly pretentious mouth yapping again. If you've made it this far, thanks for reading.

Ha, I did make it to the end!

This was very well written and perhaps one of the few pieces concerning Trump I've bothered to finish in some time. I suppose I have a limit to how much commentary I want to listen to on the guy.

So cheers for that.

I like where you wrote that the foray into the extremes has made a lot of more level headed of us take a step back and realize that there are many nuances to issues, people, parties, etc that black and white thinking drowns out.

Nicely done!

(Forgive my rudeness.. HI hunter!!)

I'm not a Trump defender, unless there are people inappropriately attacking him. I only do it because he is the elected president of this country. When Obama was president I supported him too. If Hillary would have won, I would have recognized her as president, but my dislike of her past actions would have made it so I would have let others tear her apart. I would never support Trump if he was not the elected president. I did try to back any candidate who was unjustly being targetted, so I did stick up a little for Trump as a candidate. I also stood up for Obama when Trump was cutting him down durring the campaign though. Something I now regret after seeing what Obama did during his last few months of presidency.

I do have respect for anyone in the job of president of the USA. If Congress does remove him, then I will acknowledge that. After all I cast my vote for the best vice president candidate, not the best presidential candidate, I voted for Pence. I figured Trump would have been assassinated by now, maybe by the end of the year one of the big people behind the governments will order him killed. I actually thought Obama would get assassinated, but that never happened.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

That was good and I understand your motivation.

For me it's a question of honor.

a reply to: zosimov

Hi zosi

Thanks for reading, yea I don't know how I come up with these rants but they are usually spur of the moment inspiration. Got really tiring fighting and throwing mud. Now I can go hibernate for awhile

(You were not rude at all my friend)

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Trump defender(s)?

I call them Redhats.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Anonymous sources told me you live in Russia....

a reply to: olaru12

Honor matters to me to. If Trump is indeed a fraud I wouldn't think twice about condemning him and would stand alongside you doing so.

I still believe he is sincere with his intentions, so I'll give him a chance till he proves me wrong.

originally posted by: Idreamofme
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Anonymous sources told me you live in Russia....

Well, this is ATS. Take that same guess with anyone here and you'd probably be right 50% of the time.

)))

Excellence from the rant forum? I had to read it twice just to bask in this raw and gritty awesomeness. Very well stated.

a reply to: Illumimasontruth

Thanks for reading (twice).

I appreciate the balanced tone and sincerity.
I have been staying out of the debates about Trump in general, because of the extreme hostility.

I don't feel comfortable with the polarization and fanaticism.

I personally do not think Trump is a good choice for leader.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986


Nobody is perfect, so who are we to judge anyone? And for those that want to argue that he is the President and it does matter, tell me how his character has effected his presidency other than triggering a bunch of people.

I think that the public has the duty of using a critical eye in judging the people they put in powerful positions. Being in positions of great power and responsibility require an ability to withstand and be receptive to a much higher level of criticism and judgment; it puts much more pressure on you to be self aware and self disciplined in the smallest of actions or words.

This is precisely why many people do not want a position of power. You really have to be interested in self awareness and autodiscipline to go forth towards such roles. When you are responsible only for yourself, or for your immediate family, you do not have to be under that same pressure.

I think that the criticisms of his personality and behaviors are relevant because being a powerful leader of a nation, your relational skills with humans are paramount. This has always been true. This is why we have the concept of "class", as a quality of personality -having class is ones ability to be adaptive in behavior and communication with peoples of different cultures and social strata. It requires a sensitive empathic nature balanced with a strong and well defined self awareness, so that these two parts of psyche work in harmony and coordination.

This is why I see the pathway of power is also one of spiritual development.

I think in the case of leading a major world power, the relevancy does not need to be spelled out. The relationships developed with other nations and people is of utmost importance.

I think having chosen a person who is not gifted at all in this area was a very bad idea. I think it is a manifestation of the pitfall of individualist values when they get to an extreme - the belief that "I don't need anyone else", which eventually falls apart faced with reality. Even if you have the most weapons, the loudest voice, the most riches... if you can frighten and dominate all those in your environment, that always ends up being a very temporary and fragile experience. I see it mind like the finale of a firework show. All energy suddenly being projected out in one last spurt before the show is over and there is nothing left.
I feel like America is in their grand finale as the biggest world power. They ant to see a spectacular show of energy and power, so they can say "Wow!" before it is over.

So be it. I am not going to argue with anyone. Civilisations rise and fall, and often like to carry with them a memory of a leader who was crazy and dangerous to the rest of the world, but a heroic symbol of their courage and past power.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Trump defender? He'll need a good one in court.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

It takes no effort to lampoon a public figure. It takes a trite more grit to defend a public figure from a seething mob.

President Trump has not hurt a single soul, yet there are people mocking him and his family ruthlessly, threatening him with violence and sanction, and burning his effigy in flames. They deface his star on the walk of fame, boycott his hotels, submit him to slander and defamation, presume his guilt before innocence, and tear into him in all the press throughout the land. They chant slogans, all of which are justifications for what they want to do with him.

When a man faces such a mob even after doing nothing wrong, you are witnessing an injustice, and anyone with principle would do best to stick up for him.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Has not hurt anyone? Exactly who is responsible for the use of munitions in a foreign sovereign country if not the POTUS? Do those munitions not hurt anyone?

Maybe we just need to stop validating this entire den of snakes. Maybe it is time for a new system that is better able to handle the corruption that comes with power.

I do not see any nobility in supporting someone who has the power to stop hurting people but refuses to use it and even appears to be escalating the conflicts.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: olaru12

Honor matters to me to. If Trump is indeed a fraud I wouldn't think twice about condemning him and would stand alongside you doing so.

I still believe he is sincere with his intentions, so I'll give him a chance till he proves me wrong.

I did extensive research on Trump in the Business world and how he conducted himself with his clients, his employees and his associates and his vendors. Not a pretty picture, believe me....

a reply to: olaru12

I have also as well, but we have to remember he wasn't a politician, nor was he planning to become the President. Most billionaire's are scum bags. One thing that he has been consistent with, is his tone about America. He has always been a patriot and I believe in his heart he wants what's best for America. Sure he will probably still take loop holes and make questionable decisions, (let's be honest, who isn't?) But I believe he is sincere with his intentions and that's why I give him a chance.

Like I said in my OP, what is there to lose at this point?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Exactly, plus it's easy to root for someone when you know for certain who his enemies are.

I was ready to abandon him and then Trump goes and does something like this:

G7 leaders blame US for failure to reach climate change agreement in unusually frank statement

In an unusual admission, Group of Seven (G7) leaders have said in their final communique from a summit in Italy that they had failed to bridge differences over climate change with US President Donald Trump - and America was unable to join other countries in committing to the Paris Agreement.

That is fricken awesome. I am still skeptical but I think this is great. He even was quoted as saying "Trump told his fellow leaders on Friday that he had campaigned on a platform of protecting U.S. jobs and would act accordingly,"

Why does life have to be so hard?

a reply to: Bluesma

I get your point, but for me it's actually refreshing to see something other than your typical PC cookie cutter. Let's be honest, they will say and act one way on camera but are totally different behind closed doors. What has PC gotten you?

Atleast with Trump, what you see is what you get and from what I've seen, he gets a lot of respect on the world stage.