Question for 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

When the evidence is removed, as tons of scrap metal, we know it's all bs..

It's a crime to deliberately remove, tamper, destroy, any evidence.

This evidence was deliberately removed. It was a crime, beyond doubt.

If you didn't know they removed evidence, now you know.

They are criminals, obviously.


To speak of the criminals, who removed all that evidence.....nobody dares say a word!!

Ask someone you know if removing evidence, deliberately, should be dismissed at once, being an honest mistake of some sort, among all the confusion, at the time...

So this would appear to be all about some sort of mistake, since they were unaware of the mountain of steel being evidence. Because officials in charge of it allowed at least 60,000 tons of irreplaceable evidence, for a crime beyond all others.

As they declare 60,000 tons of evidence is much more useful as scrap metal ....

Do you know who, specifically, by name(s), approved selling it off, as scrap metal?

Nobody seems to know exactly who made the decision.

It's someone who nobody knows, that's who!


Here we hold them as leaders, to lead us, and they lead us into war, and death, and poverty, while many think he is against all wars, and sad to see more and more 'hard-working folks' living in poverty, without a job.

But then we count on someone else to lead us, and he's going to get us out of this whole mess....


Have you ever known about a leader that said we should abolish income tax, which is something we all would want, and would all vote for a leader that actually WANTS TO abolish income taxes, and DOES abolish the tax afterwards, so he would only confirm to us he is really our leader, after all. We would keep him as our leader, ever after. If a leader suggested that income tax should never have existed in the first place, and it's a travesty, which we WILL stop. If that's what you want to see, vote us in...

And if you had a leader who said that income tax has nothing to do with our betterment, the safety of all, firefighting, policing, highways, or welfare, or pensions..

All of our REAL benefits - which we want, and may need, are meant for the benefit of all people.

Whenever they mention taxes are needed for this, and that, so without taxing you again, we cannot help anyone, anymore.

All of our purchases, for example, are taxed at the same rate, in general.

That is the only tax required for our needs, services, pensions, and highways. It is now even over what is required, to boot.


Our government is meant to serve the people.

We only serve them.

Only if we allow them.

Sad.

a reply to: Schmoe1223

Justice is coming.. Why do you think the Saudi princes have been hung upside down by US mercenaries.. Read between the lines..

a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do they take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to take to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arson, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals looking for remains, personal effects, and collected the items of evidence while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

All ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made safe through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

a reply to: turbonium1

After your false and deceiving little rant about crime scenes and ignoring the pile was a huge hazard that needed removed. And that the pile was treated as a crime scene with applicable evidence gathered...


Can you answer with simple true or false?

The towers had identifying marked on the structural steel that outlined its location in the towers.

Is this false, The structural steel was collected, identified, assessed, documented, and sampled before release.

Is this a false statement, funny that large amounts of WTC steel was kept for over a decade, given to foreign countries, and the fifty states as artifacts if the government was trying to destroy evidence.

I just read one of the largest pieces of steel kept for years was 47,000 lbs?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

Everything was searched and assessed, except for 60,000 tons of steel!!??

Each tower had 100,000 tons of steel - 200,000 tons of steel, in all.


They removed nearly 1/3 of all the steel.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all?


Let's use your house/arson investigation as an example...

The investigators suspect it was arson, and they proceed to search out any evidence of arson.

Except 1/3 of the house is missing, before they start to investigate anything....

They removed the entire kitchen, the dining room, and half the basement, with heavy machinery.

If they can't find evidence of arson, in 2/3 of a house, it might be in the other 1/3 of the house...but they'll never know.


A third of steel is gone, which means a third of the evidence is gone.

How many investigations have a third of the evidence removed before they even have a chance to begin an actual investigation? I don't know of any....do you?

A murder investigation would not have 1/3 of a body. The heart and some other organs are gone. Some of the flesh, and bones are missing, too.

Get the problem here?

Your argument would be the fantasy of every criminal.

A crime takes out 1/3 of all evidence.

Then you suggest that 2/3 of evidence is more than enough.

Not.

a reply to: turbonium1

Can you cite or link to site stating steel was not evaluated at the pile? Can you cite or link to sources the states the steel was not sent to the lay down yards and not evaluated there for relevance before release.

They tracked the steel that had the identifying marks. What structural steel was released with tower identification marks that you think was not assessed and vital to the investigation?

Again, the pile was a crime scene.

Evidence was gathered as steel and debris was being removed from the pile. So steel was evaluated on site. Vital piece identified and saved.

All crime scenes has the evidence processed onsite, the evidence is collected and documented. Samples taken to the labs. The remainder of the crime scenes is released, cleaned up, and disposed of as needed. That is normal.

The WTC investigation went beyond that. All steel and ruble was assessed on site for relevance. Evidence taken. Sent to lay down yards for a more extensive search for remains, personal effects, and evidence.

Your narrative is false and lacks facts.

a reply to: turbonium1

Again, simple true or false?

Can you answer with simple true or false?

The towers had identifying marked on the structural steel that outlined its location in the towers.

Is this false, The structural steel was collected, identified, assessed, documented, and sampled before release.

Is this a false statement, funny that large amounts of WTC steel was kept for over a decade, given to foreign countries, and the fifty states as artifacts if the government was trying to destroy evidence.

I just read one of the largest pieces of steel kept for years was 47,000 lbs?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all

The rubble was in a big jumbled pile. Right?

How else are you gonna get to the stuff on the bottom until you remove the stuff on top?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

After your false and deceiving little rant about crime scenes and ignoring the pile was a huge hazard that needed removed. And that the pile was treated as a crime scene with applicable evidence gathered...


Can you answer with simple true or false?

The towers had identifying marked on the structural steel that outlined its location in the towers.

Is this false, The structural steel was collected, identified, assessed, documented, and sampled before release.

Is this a false statement, funny that large amounts of WTC steel was kept for over a decade, given to foreign countries, and the fifty states as artifacts if the government was trying to destroy evidence.

I just read one of the largest pieces of steel kept for years was 47,000 lbs?

It starts with 1/3 of evidence sold as scrap metal. Nobody could pass on a great deal like that! It's less than 1/3 of all the steel, so who cares?

That was absolutely a criminal act. They deliberately removed almost one third of all the steel.

Do you know why they researched and tested steel, from so many different areas of the whole structure? When they studied so much of the steel, it obviously was important to have as much of the steel on hand. Any steel missing from those areas cannot be known, and cannot ever be proven.

Odd, to remove all that steel, no?

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all

The rubble was in a big jumbled pile. Right?

How else are you gonna get to the stuff on the bottom until you remove the stuff on top?

It's obviously collected from the top layers first, then to layers just below....


What about it?

a reply to: turbonium1

Who says a third is missing

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all

The rubble was in a big jumbled pile. Right?

How else are you gonna get to the stuff on the bottom until you remove the stuff on top?

It's obviously collected from the top layers first, then to layers just below....


What about it?

So then you’re saying that you’re ok with them hauling off steel to the lay down yards. Good.

Cuz at the lay down yards the steel was inspected by FEMA guys and pieces that were of interest to them were separated out for further inspection.

Those that WEREN’T of any interest made up the steel that was sold off.

So what’s your beef with them selling off steel that after a visual inspection showed nothing of interest?

When trucks hauled away 1/3 of the steel, as 50,000 tons of scrap metal, which had just crushed people into millions of unrecognizable particles, that's no problem for you, right?

To me, this was among the most disgusting, grotesque acts in modern history.

All these people who can't even be found in the rubble were ground into slivers and dust. At most, a piece of finger, or slivers of human skin.

Not one of them could even be identified within all that debris.

But they were all dead in this grave, of debris, regardless.

It's disgusting like slimy grave robbers!

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all

The rubble was in a big jumbled pile. Right?

How else are you gonna get to the stuff on the bottom until you remove the stuff on top?

It's obviously collected from the top layers first, then to layers just below....


What about it?

So then you’re saying that you’re ok with them hauling off steel to the lay down yards. Good.

Cuz at the lay down yards the steel was inspected by FEMA guys and pieces that were of interest to them were separated out for further inspection.

Those that WEREN’T of any interest made up the steel that was sold off.

So what’s your beef with them selling off steel that after a visual inspection showed nothing of interest?

How did they define steel to be 'of interest', and steel not 'of interest'?

What they held 'of interest' is only steel exposed to fire, or impact damage....that's it.

All the other steel was deemed to be not 'of interest'.

Why would it not be 'of interest' to anyone else? It would surely be. And is.


When they can't even find ANY steel weakened to the point of failure, from the fires, they have no clue what qualifies steel 'of interest' or not!


What a joke!

a reply to: turbonium1

Again. They searched for evidence at the site. They did recover remains when found at the pile by hand.

All ruble was searched by hand at the lay down yards using conveyers.

Over 18,000 pieces of human remains were recovered. 6,000 that could fit in a test tube. Seems this has been posted repeatedly with no rebuttal.

ID cards and watches among some of the personal items. By the scores.

Please cite were it is stated the WTC steel was not assessed for forensic value on site.

Please cite were the steel was shipped off from the pile, bypassing the assessment at the lay yards before release.

You only have false narratives and truth movement lies.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

What are you ranting about. More false arguments by you. Name one crime scene where they take everything. Do the take all the spilled blood, and tear out all the floors and walls with blood splatter to the crime lab. No, they take photos and blood samples. When the evidence is documented and sample obtained, the crimes scene is treated like a biological hazard and clean up.

When there is a suspected arsom, do they take a whole house to the crime lab. No. They look for items of evidence, take pieces and samples to the lab. Use photos for documentation. Then the house is rebuilt, or knocked over because it’s a hazard.

Shame on you for false arguments.

The piles was immediately treated as a crime scene. The individuals look for remains, personal effects, and collected the items while the pile was cleared up because it was massive health hazard.

Almost all, If not all, ruble and steel was removed to the lay down yards. Eberything was repeatedly searched and assessed for evidence. All the applicable items were identified and/or retained, documented, sampled, analyzed, photographed, and the material not helpful to the investigation was released to be be made sage through some process as with any crime investigation.

Thanks for the false arguments.

What investigation removes 1/3 of the available evidence for absolutely NO reason at all

The rubble was in a big jumbled pile. Right?

How else are you gonna get to the stuff on the bottom until you remove the stuff on top?

It's obviously collected from the top layers first, then to layers just below....


What about it?

So then you’re saying that you’re ok with them hauling off steel to the lay down yards. Good.

Cuz at the lay down yards the steel was inspected by FEMA guys and pieces that were of interest to them were separated out for further inspection.

Those that WEREN’T of any interest made up the steel that was sold off.

So what’s your beef with them selling off steel that after a visual inspection showed nothing of interest?

How did they define steel to be 'of interest', and steel not 'of interest'?

By using their proven expertise in examining structural failures.

What they held 'of interest' is only steel exposed to fire, or impact damage....that's it.

Yes.

What else should they have held?

Steel with thermite and/or explosive damage? There wasn’t any, and don’t forget that there were guys there with explosive experience also that saw nothing of interest.

All the other steel was deemed to be not 'of interest'.

Yep.

Experts looked at it - those with expertise in examining structural failures AND explosive training - and they determined that holding that steel served no purpose.

So why do it?

Why would it not be 'of interest' to anyone else? It would surely be. And is.

Yeah well they lack the ability to look into the future and see that there will be deranged conspiracy theorists that will want to look at ALL the steel.

And of course, even if they were clairvoyant, it’s doubtful that they would care if the absurd demands of a group of fruit loops were met.

When they can't even find ANY steel weakened to the point of failure, from the fires, they have no clue what qualifies steel 'of interest' or not!


What a joke!

But of course they do.

Truthers believe that they know best after watching a few YouTube videos.

Thankfully, the real world requires better qualifications

a reply to: turbonium1

Your most convincing argument of physical evidence of CD at the towers to supersede inward bowing and buckling of vertical columns leading to collapse by fire weaken floor trusses were the false arguments of:

1) too much dust
2) you had the misconception the outer vertical columns did not support the loads of the floor trusses and transferred those loads to the foundation.

And you tried to push the false argument that the vertical columns and core columns “did not” remain standing after the complete collapse of the floor systems.

Shame on you for not doing proper research, believing the lies of the truth movement, and pushing false arguments.

originally posted by: Salander
Did anybody address the horizontal component of ejected material?

Uh, no they have not. They cannot explain how gravity and fires ejected massive pieces.

DYNAMIC loads.

Here is a link to an impact force calculator Impact Calculator

Go work out some possible impact forces one floor slab is 1000 tons or 1,000,000 kg if not please stfu.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Please cite were it is stated the WTC steel was not assessed for forensic value on site.

Please cite where it IS stated. That would be interesting to see..

originally posted by: neutronflux
Please cite were the steel was shipped off from the pile, bypassing the assessment at the lay yards before release.

Now, you want me to show they did NOT 'assess' this 50.000 tons of steel, before it was shipped to China?

Let's start with your asking me to prove a negative - it's like if I said to you 'Prove that flying pink elephants DO NOT exist?'

In fact, I would have to first show you proof that flying pink elephants DO exist.

Now, look at what you're asking here.

I cannot show that they did NOT assess steel, just as you could not prove that pink elephants do NOT exist.

You must first show me that they DID assess this 50,000 tons of steel before it was shipped to China.

Get it?


So let's go over this once again...


The NIST investigation was officially announced on Aug. 21, 2002...

www.nist.gov...


They had already shipped 50,000 tons of steel to China before they even announced the investigation. This report was dated Jan. 27, 2002...

articles.chicagotribune.com...


That proves they removed almost 1/3 of the steel evidence before they even started to investigate it.

You realize that?

How can they 'assess' 50,000 tons of steel, say 'It's scrap', and ship it to China, SEVEN MONTHS before they even said they were going to start an investigation?


Are you serious, or just that desperate?