Mass Western Immigration due to Low Birth Rate

People, mostly white people, in western countries are worried about the changing demographics of their communities and countries. There are a lot less white people in western nations than there used to be. I live in Canada, we have an illaborate immigration system that works well for us. But in more recent years more canadians(like Americans) are worried that all these immigrants will come in take jobs and change our culture.

I understand the worry in Europe as they have an actual migrant crisis due to wars. But we in North America are nations of immigrants, granted mostly white immigrants, but immigrants nonetheless. We're a melting pot of cultures and ideals and it suits us well. I don't understand the apprehension people have against immigrants coming into our country, sureley your grandfather or great grandfather was an immigrant as well. I don't know about America, but in Canada whether you're an immigrant or refugee you have to take Canadian culture classes: learn language,history,culture,etc. They end up knowing more about the War of 1812 than I do lol.

Obviously most anti-immigration people are conservatives. But their anti-immigration stances don't make sense for the future of our country. Across all western nations baby boomers(the largest generation) are ageing and we don't have enough people to either support them in their old age or replace them when they retire. Therefore we need immigrants to come in and work so that our economy and population doesn't stop growing.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that, every time you see a white person complain about too many immigrants in their country, tell them it's their own damn fault for not having enough kids lol. That's the real issue here, Americans and Canadians aren't having enough kids, we can't replace our ageing population so we need an influx of immigrants to balance it out. All those people that complain about too many Mexicans in their country, it's their own fault for not making more American children.

In the UK our NHS is basically run by immigrants, something like 25% of doctors in the UK are not British-born. If they all just left overnight it would cripple the country.

We do not actually have a immigration problem its just something drummed up by the right because of strong nationalist views.

You can create something useful for humanity and create high-tech jobs that will benefit the "low income white people". These people would then move up from working 10.00 to 20.00 for creating Economic electronics that are high in production but less damage to the environment.

This would then shift the job force to a higher pay, benefit mankind all and you'd be happy you saved the extinction of all white families.

aside from burgers, country music, tea 'n' crumpets, what culture do you have that I am ignorant about? (you're Canadian so it's different).

beginning in the 1980s, American school children were brainwashed into believing that having children was evil and and would greatly increase carbon footprints and environmental devastation.

Now we are relocating people from the developing world where they had tiny carbon footprints and high infant mortality rates and providing them with all kinds of new crap that requires even more resources and they breed like rabbits with many children.

So much for the environment.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
People, mostly white people, in western countries are worried about the changing demographics of their communities and countries. There are a lot less white people in western nations than there used to be. I live in Canada, we have an illaborate immigration system that works well for us. But in more recent years more canadians(like Americans) are worried that all these immigrants will come in take jobs and change our culture.

I understand the worry in Europe as they have an actual migrant crisis due to wars. But we in North America are nations of immigrants, granted mostly white immigrants, but immigrants nonetheless. We're a melting pot of cultures and ideals and it suits us well. I don't understand the apprehension people have against immigrants coming into our country, sureley your grandfather or great grandfather was an immigrant as well. I don't know about America, but in Canada whether you're an immigrant or refugee you have to take Canadian culture classes: learn language,history,culture,etc. They end up knowing more about the War of 1812 than I do lol.

Obviously most anti-immigration people are conservatives. But their anti-immigration stances don't make sense for the future of our country. Across all western nations baby boomers(the largest generation) are ageing and we don't have enough people to either support them in their old age or replace them when they retire. Therefore we need immigrants to come in and work so that our economy and population doesn't stop growing.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that, every time you see a white person complain about too many immigrants in their country, tell them it's their own damn fault for not having enough kids lol. That's the real issue here, Americans and Canadians aren't having enough kids, we can't replace our ageing population so we need an influx of immigrants to balance it out. All those people that complain about too many Mexicans in their country, it's their own fault for not making more American children.

I think you are conflating a couple of issues. Westerners are not having children because they are an en expensive burden in our society for those who value personal responsibility. In other words, people are having children later in life as they focus on their careers and ensuring that they can handle the financial responsibility associated with child rearing.

Poorer immigrants and the perpetually poor natives tend not to follow this path. In some ways, our social welfare systems encourage people to have children even if they are not yet ready or capable of caring for them without government assistance.

Most conservatives are not against immigration. We are against ILLEGAL immigration. No country can have completely open and porous borders. Hordes of poor and uneducated immigrants coming into a country to take advantage of their generous social welfare programs will lead to bankruptcy.

Immigration is a two way street. You want to encourage people who want to come to your country, but you also want people who also want to assimilate as well to the value systems that make your country unique. This is why most legal immigration focuses on ensuring the immigrant knows the history of the country, etc. Immigration is not a right, it is a privilege.

I know here in America there is a wide gulf in ideology between those who have immigrated legally and those who have done so illegally.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Immigration itself is not bad, (I am an immigrant and my family are immigrants) but the real problem is importing migrants that still follow terrible practices from their countries of origin and refuse to assimilate to the host culture.

For example, in Europe and even Japan we have migrants that are sympathetic to Radical Islamism and want to impose Sharia law.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

What difference does it make how many people are born. Shouldn't we be focused on quality of life issues instead.

Many studies have shown female literacy keeps birth rates in check.

Too many immigrants legal or illegal or not enough white people being born is kind of irrelevant in my mind. If we had absolutely no immigration at all the conditions that are making everyone miserable would exist just the same.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
People, mostly white people, in western countries are worried about the changing demographics of their communities and countries. There are a lot less white people in western nations than there used to be. I live in Canada, we have an illaborate immigration system that works well for us. But in more recent years more canadians(like Americans) are worried that all these immigrants will come in take jobs and change our culture.

I understand the worry in Europe as they have an actual migrant crisis due to wars. But we in North America are nations of immigrants, granted mostly white immigrants, but immigrants nonetheless. We're a melting pot of cultures and ideals and it suits us well. I don't understand the apprehension people have against immigrants coming into our country, sureley your grandfather or great grandfather was an immigrant as well. I don't know about America, but in Canada whether you're an immigrant or refugee you have to take Canadian culture classes: learn language,history,culture,etc. They end up knowing more about the War of 1812 than I do lol.

Obviously most anti-immigration people are conservatives. But their anti-immigration stances don't make sense for the future of our country. Across all western nations baby boomers(the largest generation) are ageing and we don't have enough people to either support them in their old age or replace them when they retire. Therefore we need immigrants to come in and work so that our economy and population doesn't stop growing.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that, every time you see a white person complain about too many immigrants in their country, tell them it's their own damn fault for not having enough kids lol. That's the real issue here, Americans and Canadians aren't having enough kids, we can't replace our ageing population so we need an influx of immigrants to balance it out. All those people that complain about too many Mexicans in their country, it's their own fault for not making more American children.

But you have a flaw in your thoughts, the illegal immigrants get paid cash a lot and they do not pay taxes or into Social Security. Sure, if they are legal immigrants they do pay taxes, but illegals look to stay off the radar.

a reply to: Edumakated
Hmm so basically, white people don't want to be poor and have kids because that's hard lol. And yet poor illegal immigrant families have lots of kids and still manage to live despite the hardships. That just makes westerners sound like wusses lol

a reply to: rickymouse

If you run an S-corporation you know it doesn't matter if you pay cash to illegal workers. The way the accounting is done the person owning the S-corporation would be pay the taxes for the entire cash flow. Unless you had someone on W-2 which shows up as an operating expense, the remaining difference is all taxed.

a reply to: rickymouse
A lot of illegal immigrants do pay taxes. Some own businesses and offer health care. Google it

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: Edumakated
Hmm so basically, white people don't want to be poor and have kids because that's hard lol. And yet poor illegal immigrant families have lots of kids and still manage to live despite the hardships. That just makes westerners sound like wusses lol

Or, another interpretation, the greedy CEOs suck because they don't pay high enough wages for people to make ends meet. The cost of living is just as important as how much you make and how much you pay in taxes. It doesn't really matter what you pay in taxes. What does matter is the purchasing power of your take home pay.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

And yet poor illegal immigrant families have lots of kids and still manage to live despite the hardships. That just makes westerners sound like wusses lol

Government handouts...they are basically paid to have kids or if staying off the radar cash in hand jobs...so no tax or N.I.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: Edumakated
Hmm so basically, white people don't want to be poor and have kids because that's hard lol. And yet poor illegal immigrant families have lots of kids and still manage to live despite the hardships. That just makes westerners sound like wusses lol

I guess you missed the part about our government social system supporting them. If you want to have a lot of children, IDGAF. Just don't ask me to pay for your personal choices.

a reply to: dfnj2015
People need to be born to replace the massive ageing population. The largest generation in human history is getting into their 60s and 70s. That is a whole lot of old people to take care of. Also when the retirement age of 65 was created, it was built around fact that old people used to die around that age. But now they're all gonna live an extra 20-30 years. So yea replacing the population makes quite the difference.

a reply to: Edumakated

If you want to have a lot of children, IDGAF. Just don't ask me to pay for your personal choices.

Agreed, I'm quite generous though and think Government assistance for your first two but only IF assistance is actually required...after that knock your self out or should i say up but its on your own dime I'm afraid.

LOL, Jesus

I pay $2000 a month for utilities.
Between projects, I basically eat 1 garbage meal a day.

Kids, yeah they deserve to be provided for, up and beyond food, clothes, insurance, and college.

Sounds like someone needs to go back to math class.

Everyone likes to bang, it's not unnatural, but not everyone can afford birth control which should be free to stop the cycle.

I think the problem is the bloated system we have does do the math, and they can't continue the current credit card bill without more cattle to extract from.

I mean why should they make a lifestyle change? They just vote themselves raises.

a reply to: Edumakated
Oh I get it, you're just against socialist programs like Medicaid and Social Security. Or just against them helping illegal immigrants? Because though they're illegal, they do pay taxes and often will never have acess to their retirement money.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: rickymouse

If you run an S-corporation you know it doesn't matter if you pay cash to illegal workers. The way the accounting is done the person owning the S-corporation would be pay the taxes for the entire cash flow. Unless you had someone on W-2 which shows up as an operating expense, the remaining difference is all taxed.

If you can get the worker to work and you send them a 1099. you do not have to hold any taxes or social security. It is the way it is, they are subcontractors, if they do not pay their taxes, that is their problem. I never held taxes for any subcontract labor, and you do not even have to give them a 1099 unless they earn more than six hundred bucks.

I sent 1099s to everyone, even though I did not need to. Most contractors didn't. People I knew that I hired to help for a day setting trusses I just paid cash some times and did not even claim it. I would hire someone for two or three hours at least five or six times a year, some of these people I actually would go and do something for them to repay their help.

I just paid people that raked and did stuff for me cash around our house too, I never got a receipt from people for that kind of stuff.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: rickymouse
A lot of illegal immigrants do pay taxes. Some own businesses and offer health care. Google it

I have known a dozen or so of them over the years and they were pretty decent workers but I never knew one illegal who actually owned a legitimate small business. They did work and advertised sometimes, but they usually did not have the right credentials. I also knew personally three or four hispanic business owners that were citizens, they ran a legitimate business and did not hire any illegals....unless they had a close relative that needed a job but the one I am thinking of actually helped his relative become a legal alien..

I have no problem with immigration as long as they go through with getting set up to be legal. We need to make this process reasonably priced, lawyers are charging more than the immigrants can afford. Our government has to stop this from happening, ten hours of paperwork and five grand for the immigrant, that is rediculous. Those immigration attorneys constantly overcharge. Our government should just have some traveling free legal representation for the immigrants.