Burn the House to Kill a Fly - Notre Dame grads don't know the meaning of Sacred

originally posted by: TheRedneck

We're talking about future speakers at Notre Dame; Pence is a past speaker. The other two were at Berkeley. Neither of them got to speak.

The two didn't refuse to speak cuz they were skeered. The point is, there are plenty of conservative speakers eager to speak. I wouldn't worry about them.

Fair enough. They acted disrespectfully, though, not just to Pence, but to the faculty, staff, and fellow graduates.

Peaceful protesting is not disrespectful. It's a constitutional right.

Please show me where I have called you any of that.

There are two ways to get called names. One is to interact with disrespectful people. The solution is to avoid them. The other way is to be disrespectful yourself. The solution is to not be disrespectful.

You decide which course is correct in your case.

I never said you called me any of those things. Gosh, you sure are sensitive.

Calling someone a low-information voter is not calling them stupid. It is saying they don't have (or don't want) the information needed to make adequate decisions.

That was against her policies. From your response, I would presume she was actively promoting them during the time you were protesting.

Which policies was Pence espousing during the commencement ceremony that were being protested?

She was in town for something, I can't remember now what. Pence is well-known for what he believes and what he wants America to be. It is an integral part of who he is, regardless of what he's talking about at any one moment. He's in a position of a fair amount of power - more so if somehow Trump gets impeached and removed from office. The students were protesting someone whose ideology and actions they feel will hurt others, just like why I was protesting.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Whew! I finally finished reading the whole thread!
When I saw the film clip on the news I was so embarrassed that I literally cringed!

I cringed for the ones walking out.
I cringed for the ones that stayed.
I cringed for the parents of both walkers & sitters.
I cringed for the college & the professors.
I cringed even for Pence.
I cringed for myself, our people, our country!

I'll explain why.
If it's still like when I graduated, we had a choice of who would be our speaker, or at least our pick of a few suggestions. Which means the walkers totally disregarded the fact that the majority of their classmates chose Pence. They disrespected their choice & were rude & disrespectful to an invited speaker!

Other countries are watching us! How can we be 'great again' & looked at as a super power, when our people can't even get along among themselves! United we stand, divided we fall!
While we are all squabbling among ourselves & vulnerable, what better time to be easily taken out!

I cringed for the parents & relatives no matter which side of the fence they were on. Or maybe
they were on the fence. They could have been embarrassed that their kid walked out or didn't walk out. Embarrassed that this is what will come up from now on in an internet search of ND 2017 graduation! Just so many scenarios with this!!!

Having to deal with friends, relatives & coworkers in coming days, that will be sharing their 'unsolicited' opinions of the whole matter ad nauseam I'm sure! Dissention, especially in families at graduation parties. Something that should be a joyous celebration, could turn into an awkward, strained get together. Or worse if a few people 'have too many!'

My father was a very wise man. He used to say that you can tell a lot about a person's character by the way that they handle themselves on small matters. Because if they can't handle the smaller things, they will never survive the big stuff!

Where is the respect for each other that my generation was taught? How can we expect other countries to get along, when people of the same country don't even respect each other or tolerate differing view points? I don't think dissention ever changes very many viewpoints. But calm discussion & intelligent debate could. But sadly those seem to be traits that are lacking today!
The old adage of catching more flies with honey than vinegar! Do they even have debate classes anymore?

To me they came across as spoiled, immature & disrespectful. There is a time & place for everything. That wasn't it.

Just my 2 pence!
WOQ

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
a reply to: TheRedneck

That student, and those who walked out with him/her. Made the exact same decision you are now proud of yourself for making all those years ago.

They stood their ground, remained true to their principles, and refused to allow what they believed to be an unacceptable choice for commencement speaker "hijack" what was their "sacred" day.

If anything, they proved that their principles were even more sacred to them than perhaps yours were to you; they were willing to sacrifice a part of graduation ceremony, for which I'm sure they worked no less hard than you to achieve, to stay true to their beliefs,

While you chose to compromise.

What might those principles happen to be? Intolerance towards other viewpoints?

I really doubt the principles they hold dear are even their own.

If anything, they have proven that the only thing they hold sacred is to defile and destroy.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Holy crap this dude is based as F I would shake your hand sir! I mean I really try to extend olive branches to these people, but they always use it to knock me out and burn my house down.

a reply to: GodEmperor

What principles you ask? How about civil rights for starters? BTW how is protesting being intolerant towards other viewpoints?

What happened to class?

And I don't mean the kind with the teacher.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, you're free to think these college graduates are stupid. I didn't even call people on the right stupid, but got called out for calling some of them low-information voters.

But if you don't have any knowledge of the actions by Pence when he was governor and a member of Congress, do I get to call you stupid?

time.com...

Pence is a turd. So don't look to me to defend the guy and his record as an elected official. But lets be honest: they did this cuz Trump. The world has gone mad. If Trump were just 1/3 as bad as people like to think he is, the whole world would already be on fire. This is all because of Trump, and has little to do with Pence's actual record.

BTW, to quote myself:

The hallmark of the young is "stupid decisions".

And im free to think their protest stupid

In neither of the 2 posts i've made in this thread have I referred to any people as stupid. I HAVE referred to decisions and actions as stupid. Ya might want to rethink your metaphor if you want it to fit. Although i'd let you call me stupid to make a point, so no harm in the end. Other than what is truthful and what is not.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Are you saying protests like the ones Westboro church conducted were respectful?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Like the ones they have in the middle east where homosexuals are thrown from rooftops? I'm pretty sure Civil rights over here are pretty decent in the big picture, the american soldiers that died to protect it ensured that.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Are you saying protests like the ones Westboro church conducted were respectful?

Apples and oranges.

a reply to: User1138

While i won't argue your broader point, i will mention that it has been at least 2 generations since an American soldier fought for anything even remotely resembling "our freedom". Even then, im not sure we were fighting for US freedom insomuch as swooping in to steal the spoils of war in Europe's darkest hour.

originally posted by: User1138
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Like the ones they have in the middle east where homosexuals are thrown from rooftops? I'm pretty sure Civil rights over here are pretty decent in the big picture, the american soldiers that died to protect it ensured that.

An hyperbole.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Is the word "respectful" written in invisible ink in Deaf Alien's post?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

BTW how is protesting being intolerant towards other viewpoints?

You said it, not me. Either be more specific in your questioning, or accept that I gave you a proper example.

a reply to: daskakik

Right, I should have asked, does Deaf Alien consider the Westboro protests tolerant.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Um the topic here is students walking out on Pence's speech. That is a peaceful protest. No yelling. No disruptions. They are not being intolerant because Pence are still free to speak.
So your statement is extreme and misleading.

a reply to: GodEmperor

True, also aren't all protests a sign of intolerance. Maybe a poor choice of words all around.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: daskakik

Right, I should have asked, does Deaf Alien consider the Westboro protests tolerant.

You bring up an extreme form of protest to distract people from my post.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My point that was men died and if they hadn't we'd likely be speaking german or japanese. Not to mention the revolutionary or civil wars.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: GodEmperor

True, also aren't all protests a sign of intolerance. Maybe a poor choice of words all around.

Yeah I think it's a very poor choice of word. I mean are they trying to silence others? Especially the OTHER protesters.