There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death

originally posted by: underwerks
Some of what Rich's family said..

"As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” the Rich family statement said. It continued:

“Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so. We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

Going back to the 'family statement,' again....I can't help but notice that all of the bolded above should properly be stated as "us," not "the family."

The statement reads like the family has a handler who is helping craft their statements.

originally posted by: TomLawless
If this is legit, it pretty much kills the Russian hacking portion of the leftist narrative. Oh, they'll still drone on about influence peddling, but it will be an intrinsically toothless debate.

If true maybe the democrats will now claim that Seth was a Russian operative and working with the Trump campaign?

Yeah that could work.

Could easily explain the termination of Comey from the FBI. He or his underlings we likely the ones who gave the stand down order. The plot thickens.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: underwerks

I saw the statement from the family. He's an alarmist for sure. However, most of the links presented as "proof" he's a "hack" are opinion pieces, not all of which lack merit. Nothing has been presented showing he's wrong here. DCPD or the FBI could probably prove him wrong, but according to Fox DCPD won't answer any questions about it. Wikileaks suggested Rich was the leaker, this PI says Rich was the leaker, and Fox reports an anonymous federal investigator confirmed it. I don't trust anonymous sources by themselves, but altogether it's sounding more and more like DNC wasn't hacked. That's all I said. I'm not pushing anything about Clinton.

Nothing has been presented showing he is RIGHT either.

Do some research on Rod Wheeler. He's a political hitman, who's contracted to stir things up.

If him and an anonymous source from Fox news are the only evidence, then there isn't any evidence.

The family even calls BS.

This has all the watermarks of a psy-op. I wouldn't be surprised if Rod Wheeler had a gigantic transfer into his bitcoin wallet recently.

As I pointed out, they aren't the only sources.

It would also explain why the DNC didn't want the FBI examining their servers. The "Russia hacked us" narrative was much more beneficial than "one of our staffers thought what we were doing was immoral and exposed us" narrative. The FBI could've confirmed their story if they allowed the servers to be examined. What cause would they have to not allow it? Instead they paid a private company to "analyze" it, and we all know what happens when you do that. Makes more sense now.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: underwerks
Some of what Rich's family said..

"As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” the Rich family statement said. It continued:

“Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so. We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

Going back to the 'family statement,' again....I can't help but notice that all of the bolded above should properly be stated as "us," not "the family."

The statement reads like the family has a handler who is helping craft their statements.

Sounds to me like they're just being formal in that part of the statement. Claiming a handler from that is a reach.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: underwerks
Some of what Rich's family said..

"As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” the Rich family statement said. It continued:

“Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so. We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

Going back to the 'family statement,' again....I can't help but notice that all of the bolded above should properly be stated as "us," not "the family."

The statement reads like the family has a handler who is helping craft their statements.

Sounds to me like they're just being formal in that part of the statement. Claiming a handler from that is a reach.

Nope. Not a stretch. I thought I had recalled seeing a handler associated with the family before...from august 2016:

Brad Bauman, a consultant who reached out Wednesday to The Washington Times on as a spokesman for the Rich family, said they hope the additional attention could help investigators.

“That said, some are attempting to politicize this horrible tragedy, and in their attempts to do so, are actually causing more harm that good and impeding on the ability for law enforcement to properly do their job,” Mr. Bauman said. “For the sake of finding Seth’s killer, and for the sake of giving the family the space they need at this terrible time, they are asking for the public to refrain from pushing unproven and harmful theories about Seth’s murder.”

Link

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: underwerks

I saw the statement from the family. He's an alarmist for sure. However, most of the links presented as "proof" he's a "hack" are opinion pieces, not all of which lack merit. Nothing has been presented showing he's wrong here. DCPD or the FBI could probably prove him wrong, but according to Fox DCPD won't answer any questions about it. Wikileaks suggested Rich was the leaker, this PI says Rich was the leaker, and Fox reports an anonymous federal investigator confirmed it. I don't trust anonymous sources by themselves, but altogether it's sounding more and more like DNC wasn't hacked. That's all I said. I'm not pushing anything about Clinton.

Nothing has been presented showing he is RIGHT either.

Do some research on Rod Wheeler. He's a political hitman, who's contracted to stir things up.

If him and an anonymous source from Fox news are the only evidence, then there isn't any evidence.

The family even calls BS.

This has all the watermarks of a psy-op. I wouldn't be surprised if Rod Wheeler had a gigantic transfer into his bitcoin wallet recently.

As I pointed out, they aren't the only sources.

It would also explain why the DNC didn't want the FBI examining their servers. The "Russia hacked us" narrative was much more beneficial than "one of our staffers thought what we were doing was immoral and exposed us" narrative. The FBI could've confirmed their story if they allowed the servers to be examined. What cause would they have to not allow it? Instead they paid a private company to "analyze" it, and we all know what happens when you do that. Makes more sense now.

The most important words in that entire article are the first five..

"A WikiLeaks figure is claiming.."

a reply to: underwerks

Ah...here he is...still consulting the family:

Hey @MaliaMZimmerman WHEN R U UPDATING #sethrich story with family statement? Sent it an hour ago...hiding something????

Link to his Twitter

He wrote the family's statement today. His Twitter feed is VERY interesting.

More on the Rich family's 'consultant:'

Communications
Consultant
January 2014 – Present (3 years 5 months)Washington D.C. Metro Area
Providing strategic communications advice to Democratic candidates and labor unions.

Created state specific messaging and communications strategies for major legislative and electoral battles

Created and executed national training program that has trained over 150 communicators and political staff in key battleground states

Developed message guidance for progressive allies

Link

Brad Bauman
Former Executive Director of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

Wow.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: underwerks
Some of what Rich's family said..

"As we’ve seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press,” the Rich family statement said. It continued:

“Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so. We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

Going back to the 'family statement,' again....I can't help but notice that all of the bolded above should properly be stated as "us," not "the family."

The statement reads like the family has a handler who is helping craft their statements.

Sounds to me like they're just being formal in that part of the statement. Claiming a handler from that is a reach.

Nope. Not a stretch. I thought I had recalled seeing a handler associated with the family before...from august 2016:

Brad Bauman, a consultant who reached out Wednesday to The Washington Times on as a spokesman for the Rich family, said they hope the additional attention could help investigators.

“That said, some are attempting to politicize this horrible tragedy, and in their attempts to do so, are actually causing more harm that good and impeding on the ability for law enforcement to properly do their job,” Mr. Bauman said. “For the sake of finding Seth’s killer, and for the sake of giving the family the space they need at this terrible time, they are asking for the public to refrain from pushing unproven and harmful theories about Seth’s murder.”

Link

A family that's being hounded by the press and people online after a family member was killed, deciding to use a spokesman because they don't want to deal with the obnoxious press and online trolls, is the same as having a "handler"?

a reply to: underwerks

The most important sentence in that post is the first one. You may not like them but the number of sources keeps increasing, and only one is anonymous. A lot better than the garbage WaPo reported yesterday.

a reply to: underwerks

Yes.

He's deeply tied to the DNC and progressives. He's a handler in the sense that I meant the word.

Why on earth would the family need a Democratic/Progressive political consultant to handle press statements about their son's murder by *cough* attempted robbery?

Yeah. I think it's interesting and I am sure others might find it interesting, too.

a reply to: SBMcG

The famous Stand Down order? Imaging that!
Everyone involved should be charged with Murder! For this and all the others they are suspected of.

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: underwerks

The most important sentence in that post is the first one. You may not like them but the number of sources keeps increasing, and only one is anonymous. A lot better than the garbage WaPo reported yesterday.

Still, it's someone claiming..

And he says nothing about Seth Rich.

From the way people are talking in this thread I wrongly assumed there was some type of evidence.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: underwerks

Yes.

He's deeply tied to the DNC and progressives. He's a handler in the sense that I meant the word.

Why on earth would the family need a democratic/progressive political consultant to handle press statements about their son's murder by *cough* attempted robbery?

Yeah. I think it's interesting and I am sure others might find it interesting, too.

Exactly - a DNC handler to make statements for them FFS.
Getting more obvious by the hour where the huge story is...

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Does it not seem strange that every time there is a new major screw up at the white house, there's instantly a shady counter-story with zero evidence promoted by right wing media?

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Does it not seem strange that every time there is a new major screw up at the white house, there's instantly a shady counter-story with zero evidence promoted by right wing media?

No, but you are on to something. There does some to be a big anti-Trump story with ZERO evidence to cover up DNC scandals. This is too big to cover up though - they murdered a man.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Does it not seem strange that every time there is a new major screw up at the white house, there's instantly a shady counter-story with zero evidence promoted by right wing media?

Or vice versa. I think the two parties are in collusion so I am not the person to be asking if you are looking for a partisan response.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Does it not seem strange that every time there is a new major screw up at the white house, there's instantly a shady counter-story with zero evidence promoted by right wing media?

Might want to look into which story came first.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Does it not seem strange that every time there is a new major screw up at the white house, there's instantly a shady counter-story with zero evidence promoted by right wing media?

No, but you are on to something. There does some to be a big anti-Trump story with ZERO evidence to cover up DNC scandals. This is too big to cover up though - they murdered a man.

???

How so?

a reply to: underwerks

Since I'mnot sure if you're reading the other thread on this, here is some information on the handler for you:

""originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: BlueAjah

Gee, let's see what we can find out about this guy:

The Pastorum Group is a full-service communications and political strategy firm specializing in crisis operations, strategic planning, digital engagement, media relations and coalition building for progressive clients. TPG leverages our experience and deep ties with the progressive community and elected officials to create meaningful social change.

Media Release(direct .pdf link)

This guy usually deals on the big stage of election campaigns.

And here's this:

— BRAD BAUMAN and JOSH COHEN’s new firm: “The Pastorum Group (TPG), a new full-service communications firm working for progressive candidates, clients and causes opened its doors in Washington, D.C. today.” Cohen is an SEIU, DNC and OFA alum. Bauman is the former executive director of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Tory Brown is a principal who previously worked for Media Matters and In the Public Interest and Managing Principal Michelle Coyle served as VP at Rising Tide Interactive. politi.co...

And lookie here:

Before launching the new communications firm that works with progressive candidates, The Pastorum Group, with three other partners—Josh Cohen, Brad Bauman and Tory Brown—this past January, Edwards acted as vice president for Rising Tide Interactive, where her chief mission was securing Hillary Clinton the title of first female president of the United States.

Michele Coyle Edwards: A Colorful Profile in Courage"

Brad Bauman partnered with a Hillary supporter and someone with connections to Media Matters.