Enraged Dad to GOP Lawmaker: 'You've Been Single Greatest Threat to My Family'

Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: nwtrucker

Ah Buster, I had hoped for some growth from you. OK. Tell me where "everyone gets equal healthcare'?

Everybody deserves basic access to healthcare without the need to empty their bank accounts. Not a hard idea to understand. Those who want premium healthcare at the fanciest hospitals, they can pay extra and get access to that. Everybody deserves basic coverage without the need to ruin their lives financially.

What else do people "deserve"?

Food?

Shelter?

Clothing?

Toiletries?

Sports equipment and gym memberships (so they can get healthy...)?

Internet access?

TV?

Cars?

Free vacations to help them relax?

What about addicts -- certainly we should give them what they "need" too. Booze, heroin, cig's, meth, crack...?

And pets! People "need" pets, by God!

See where this goes? that's why our Framers had the good sense to limit the power of government. There is no Constitutional authority granted the Federal government to provide healthcare, nor is there any "right" granted the individual to demand it.

If there were, why didn't Obama and the most liberal Congress in US history pass the single-payer system they all wanted so badly? They could have passed anything they wanted. They didn't need (and didn't get) even one Republican vote.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: SBMcG
First, the idiotic typical liberal boondoggle of "Obamacare" is collapsing as we speak. It takes some Real Idiots to concoct something quite that bad.

It is a 100% liberal-caused disaster. Not one Republican voted for it. If it were up to me, I'd let it completely collapse (later this year) and hang the whole mess around the necks of the proto-communists who forced this retarded thing on Americans -- the American Left.

As for the IDIOTS screaming at Congressmen in these town halls -- they're ALL LEFTISTS. Of course these desperate beaten whiners are going to scream at Republicans -- the entire failed Obama agenda is being systematically dismantled and the Freebie Fairy is almost dead.

But don't worry, the GOP has figured this out very recently (I'm a member of our county chapter and I get the memos), and is about to take the necessary steps. There will be Republicans at these events in the future to counteract the socialist plants.

The funny thing is, while the leftists are whiny about a program that's already dead (Obamacare), President Trump is quietly going about the business of stacking the federal courts with over 130 conservative justices thus obliterating the final vestiges of entrenched leftist power in our government.

Just remember there are a lot more leftists than you right wingers. Just because they don't vote doesn't mean they will not riot when you push them too hard.

I thought you wrote 'right whiners' - LOL - right whiners. I like it.

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.

Let's get rid of the military then - I'm all for that bit of 'socialism' busting myself.

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.

Yes, they are, but it's just too bad they'll suck all the rest of us right along with them. That's the worst thing about socialism ... it's so great, they can't just screw themselves; they have to bring along a gun and make sure all the rest of us are screwed right along with them -- by force!

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.

Let's get rid of the military then - I'm all for that bit of 'socialism' busting myself.

Yeah, well, that's where the COTUS *does* get in your way. Military is a constitutionally delegated responsibility of the government instead of health care.

Just privatize healthecare. But that would cost too much and too problematic. Not to mention no one likes to read the hundreds of thousands of pages contained in the healthcare act for starters

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Just privatize healthecare. But that would cost too much and too problematic. Not to mention no one likes to read the hundreds of thousands of pages contained in the healthcare act for starters

When they finally push the country over the edge into economic/governmental collapse, they'll have privatized everything the quick and very, very dirty way.

It should be repealed not replaced

a reply to: watchitburn

But everyone already has access to basic health care.

At a cost.

I don't see paying $600.00 for a visit to the ER as 'access to healthcare'. You get the treatment you need but you suffer financially after.

This is what you're not getting here. This is the problem.

No one can be turned away at an emergency room if they need assistance.

Again you've pretty much ignored what I've stated. Let me quote again:

Everybody deserves basic access to healthcare without the need to empty their bank accounts

The debate isn't about getting access to emergency care. The debate isn't about the availability of healthcare. The argument is about the cost of healthcare. This is the core of the problem, this is what you need to understand. You can't ignore it because if that cost isn't going to be covered by the person in need, it costs the tax payer. It's costing us millions.

Nothing lasts forever. Not Obamacare. Not this planet. Not the Sun.

originally posted by: mikell
It should be repealed not replaced

That's exactly what should happen.

I have a feeling that's what will happen in the end. I think the ACHA or "Trumpcare" will get stalled in the Senate and Obamacare will collapse (already happening) before a final replacement bill is ever offered.

At that point, we're back to the former free market system and the states can take it from there.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Of course, an ER isn't "basic access." It's *emergency* access. Basic access is your general practitioner and you make an appointment to see him or her.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Without military the Russians will come to your home and pillage everything.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Government created healthcare. Anything with Government on it doesn't mean anything good for you.

Suckers.

Let's get rid of the military then - I'm all for that bit of 'socialism' busting myself.

Yeah, well, that's where the COTUS *does* get in your way. Military is a constitutionally delegated responsibility of the government instead of health care.

Defence is constitutionally mandated (a socialist provison BTW) but not a standing, offensive, emperialistic military doing the bidding of big business & wealth.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: FyreByrd

Without military the Russians will come to your home and pillage everything.

Yes we are back to "the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming". This time Capitalistic Russians not pseudo-Communist Russians.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Everybody deserves basic access to healthcare...

and

Everybody deserves basic coverage...

While close, these are two different things. I agree folks getting health care is a good thing, but I cannot be blind to how it happens. I do not subscribe to the "health care is a right" as I do not subscribe to the idea you have the "right" to someone else's labor and material. That sounds a lot like slavery.

The ACA and whichever bill replaces/updates/etc. it (if at all) are giveaways to the problem, not solutions.

And before you ask, No, I do not have a silver bullet solution. I have not heard one yet either. But if I was to put money on it, I do not believe looking to those in DC will get you there. Arguing over who champions which of numerous bad ideas is a waste of time.

originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: Southern Guardian

I do not subscribe to the "health care is a right" as I do not subscribe to the idea you have the "right" to someone else's labor and material. That sounds a lot like slavery.

Sounds remarkably like a socialist statement.

Specifically, why should my employer be the only one to benefit from my productivity and the increases in that productivity over time while I (metaphorically) receive less and less?

So socialism is good if the proceeds of labor is going to capitalists? So socialism is good where materials are bought from subjugated people at below "Free" market value? i.e. oil and gas drilled from public lands.

Sounds like wage slavery to me.

I'm not picking on you specifically, I know that this is a common opinion but I find it a highly inconsistant one.

Don't I have a right to benefit from my labor? And have a right to negotiate with my fellows for the best deal?

Don't people, as a whole, have a right to get the most out of public resources for the public good?

Corporate socialism (public funds and assests being used for private gain) seems to be okay. Yeah - let's sell of energy infrastructure and resources for pennies on the dollar to the corporations for a short term influx of cash. Who's cocamamie idea was that.

Why is that?

Why shouldn't every citizen have the same kind of health care our congressmen and representatives have.

Our tax dollars pay for their health care btw.

Are they somehow more worthy and deserve the best care that America can provide?

a reply to: ABNARTY


Well said.