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What is white privilege?
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White Privilege is the state of it 'not being possible to experience "racism"'.
Usage:
Sam was stripped naked and beat down in a parking garage by 7 big black guys for being white, and they uploaded the video to social media for all the world to see, but luckily he was white so he didn't actually experience racism.
Usage:
Sam was stripped naked and beat down in a parking garage by 7 big black guys for being white, and they uploaded the video to social media for all the world to see, but luckily he was white so he didn't actually experience racism.
edit on 13-5-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no
reason given)
a reply to: openminded2011
I'll give you a personal experience as an example.
I was taking a graduate course in Systems Theory (in MBA program) at a respected university satellite locally. The course was on Saturday Mornings for Adult/Working students. I had to travel 30 miles to get to class. We were about three sessions into the course. I am a white female.
The Saturday in question I arrived about 5 minutes late to class and found the doors locked and the class inside going on. I was joined outside the class, looking in by three other classmates. Another woman, black and two men one white and one black. These were all professional people, well educated and paid; successful by all appearances.
THe four of us discussed the situation, all realizing the point that our professor was making (wasting a groups time by arriving late and disrupting the lecture/discussion), and how to best resolve the situation. We each had are own individual ideas of what to do. Myself and the white male tended to waiting until the professor opened the door to let us in and just how long we would wait (to let white privilege to do it's work - unconscious at this point). However my black classmates were much more pro-active and the black male when and got an administrator to come and open the door for us. Already I was seeing the unconscious superiority and entitlement I thought was normal and ... and proper.
Once in the class (about a half hour into the three hour class session) the subject shifted (to my self-centered thinkging) to the experiences of the classmembers to the 'lock-out' and how it related to the classroom system and it's applications in social systems.
This is where i saw the subtle nature of white privilege and it's rampant denial by the so called majority. We each told our 'stories' about the lockout and what and how we were thinking. The blacks has many thoughts of having something that they (or their companies) had paid for taken from them, something they had worked hard for taken away. We white people didn't feel stolen from - we didn't feel like we would miss out or be found lacking if locked out of the class. Then the members of the classes that had been on time shared their varied experiences of the exercise.
The discussion from this point on shifted into the theoritical (resiliancy of systems - how do systems return to homeostatis, etc) and away from the social implication of our subjective experiences.
And, my friends, that is white privilege reasserting itself as the dominant system of that classroom.
Te class was mostly people in their late thirties and early forties. Universally socialy liberal, mostly good capitalists. Less then half to half white, the rest of varying ethnicities of color. The professor was a while male.
We discussed the different assumptions that were in play but never once address what to my mind was the elephant in the room - that our brother and sisters of color - had an entirely different perception of reality - a very valid and true perception. Each time the 'race' card was dealt - a white member would deflect to a more 'comfortable' theoritical question or assertation.
As a systems class we were aware that a system (of any type) will always seek to get back to equilibrium. In the class system it will away try (largely unconsciously) to return to the assumption of white superiority/privilege. It is so ingrained that white people don't/won't/can't even see it. We can even talk honestly about race relations without discomfort.
The system (white privilege) is changing, set points for homeostasis change slowly, over time (definition of system - an organized whole over time) as more and more non-white voices are being heard and integrated into the collective conscious of society.
And how does the old, challenged system react in trying not to change it's set point (you can think global warming here as well) but ever more extreme and violent reactions to natural adjustments to the paradigm.
I'll give you a personal experience as an example.
I was taking a graduate course in Systems Theory (in MBA program) at a respected university satellite locally. The course was on Saturday Mornings for Adult/Working students. I had to travel 30 miles to get to class. We were about three sessions into the course. I am a white female.
The Saturday in question I arrived about 5 minutes late to class and found the doors locked and the class inside going on. I was joined outside the class, looking in by three other classmates. Another woman, black and two men one white and one black. These were all professional people, well educated and paid; successful by all appearances.
THe four of us discussed the situation, all realizing the point that our professor was making (wasting a groups time by arriving late and disrupting the lecture/discussion), and how to best resolve the situation. We each had are own individual ideas of what to do. Myself and the white male tended to waiting until the professor opened the door to let us in and just how long we would wait (to let white privilege to do it's work - unconscious at this point). However my black classmates were much more pro-active and the black male when and got an administrator to come and open the door for us. Already I was seeing the unconscious superiority and entitlement I thought was normal and ... and proper.
Once in the class (about a half hour into the three hour class session) the subject shifted (to my self-centered thinkging) to the experiences of the classmembers to the 'lock-out' and how it related to the classroom system and it's applications in social systems.
This is where i saw the subtle nature of white privilege and it's rampant denial by the so called majority. We each told our 'stories' about the lockout and what and how we were thinking. The blacks has many thoughts of having something that they (or their companies) had paid for taken from them, something they had worked hard for taken away. We white people didn't feel stolen from - we didn't feel like we would miss out or be found lacking if locked out of the class. Then the members of the classes that had been on time shared their varied experiences of the exercise.
The discussion from this point on shifted into the theoritical (resiliancy of systems - how do systems return to homeostatis, etc) and away from the social implication of our subjective experiences.
And, my friends, that is white privilege reasserting itself as the dominant system of that classroom.
Te class was mostly people in their late thirties and early forties. Universally socialy liberal, mostly good capitalists. Less then half to half white, the rest of varying ethnicities of color. The professor was a while male.
We discussed the different assumptions that were in play but never once address what to my mind was the elephant in the room - that our brother and sisters of color - had an entirely different perception of reality - a very valid and true perception. Each time the 'race' card was dealt - a white member would deflect to a more 'comfortable' theoritical question or assertation.
As a systems class we were aware that a system (of any type) will always seek to get back to equilibrium. In the class system it will away try (largely unconsciously) to return to the assumption of white superiority/privilege. It is so ingrained that white people don't/won't/can't even see it. We can even talk honestly about race relations without discomfort.
The system (white privilege) is changing, set points for homeostasis change slowly, over time (definition of system - an organized whole over time) as more and more non-white voices are being heard and integrated into the collective conscious of society.
And how does the old, challenged system react in trying not to change it's set point (you can think global warming here as well) but ever more extreme and violent reactions to natural adjustments to the paradigm.
a reply to: openminded2011
White privilege is a politically constructed concept that attempts to excuse personal failures, poor choices, and abdication of personal responsibility in exchange for pandered votes.
White privilege is a politically constructed concept that attempts to excuse personal failures, poor choices, and abdication of personal responsibility in exchange for pandered votes.
a reply to: FyreByrd
But that's not "white" privilege...
That's simply privilege. Expecting he would notice you and respond because you believe it is your right to attend.
Not once even subconsciously were you actually thinking its my white-right to attend... tell me if you think i am wrong.
But that's not "white" privilege...
That's simply privilege. Expecting he would notice you and respond because you believe it is your right to attend.
Not once even subconsciously were you actually thinking its my white-right to attend... tell me if you think i am wrong.
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
White Privilege is the state of it 'not being possible to experience "racism"'.
Usage:
Sam was stripped naked and beat down in a parking garage by 7 big black guys for being white, and they uploaded the video to social media for all the world to see, but luckily he was white so he didn't actually experience racism.
I've said this before, but this idea that white people can't experience "real racism" because they have all the power is silly.
Even if that is true on a political front, I think a better argument by sjws would be "Impact plus prejudice=racism." For example, if a minority boss refuses to hire or promote a white person due to prejudice, that is real racial impact, and discrimination. It doesn't matter that the president or most politicians let's say are white.
Similarly, if a black person has experienced racism because let's say they were denied a job, or housing, or quality schools, and let's say not excelled as much as they could have, how is this MORE life impact than let's say a young white person being killed by a minority for being white? Or beaten almost to death?
My point being, this whole identity politics argument that nobody can be racist to white people because they don't have any power, is silly, because you can still significantly harm a white person through managerial power or physical violence.
originally posted by: 0racle
a reply to: FyreByrd
But that's not "white" privilege...
That's simply privilege. Expecting he would notice you and respond because you believe it is your right to attend.
Not once even subconsciously were you actually thinking its my white-right to attend... tell me if you think i am wrong.
No - there is no analog in other races. All privilege (western privilege) derives from white privilege. The two cannot be separated.
The only similar phenomenon is that light skins blacks assume a sense of superiority but that is only because of the historical assumption and internalization of white supremacy by all western peoples.
You are in total denial as are many (Don't Even [k]No[w] I Am Lying) - it's a psychological defense mechanism.
edit on 13-5-2017 by FyreByrd
because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
Right. That whole argument is as fallaciously racist an argument as is even possible, because it asserts that just because se 'all' the CEO's happen to be white, that somehow all whites are part of that 'power'.
Unless all whites are issued stocks in all of such corporations at birth, then NO, this CRT/SJW argument is catastrophically off the sound logic mark.
PS: This is the same thing the Nazi's pushed against the Jews.
Right. That whole argument is as fallaciously racist an argument as is even possible, because it asserts that just because se 'all' the CEO's happen to be white, that somehow all whites are part of that 'power'.
Unless all whites are issued stocks in all of such corporations at birth, then NO, this CRT/SJW argument is catastrophically off the sound logic mark.
PS: This is the same thing the Nazi's pushed against the Jews.
edit on 13-5-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: SBMcG
There is no such thing as "White privilege".
That's just another canard thrown up by the loony Left as an excuse for the failure of anyone who isn't White.
You are just in denial because if you accept this to have any shred of truth it would mean you would have to take some responsibility for what you are not responsible for. It's better to have cognitive dissonance with ideas that hurt just to believe in their truth.
Comedy and tragedy are twos interpretations of the same emotion:
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
You are conflating two separate things. Racism is not synonymous with White Privilege. They are two separate things.
Granted a lot of 'racism' and/or 'bigotry' develops due to white privilege.
Racism/Bigotry can be seen as an understandable response to systemic white privilege over centuries of colonization (and dare I say genocides) of white expansion. The unconscious, in-born idea that western white society is the alpha and omega of human development. It is in our very languages, build into modern culture, science and art.
Do I benefit from it? Damn right I do - and I didn't even realize that other people lived in a different world outside of my white bubble until the experience in that classroom. I too - thought all things (American in my case) were the best and the brightest and we were bringing civilization to the world - that greed was the only valid motivator in the world - yadda, yadda, yadda. That I (actually we) had a right and a duty to bring other people into the modern/civilized/western worldview. The arrogance of that shames me.
I've never been a racist (I do admit to some bigotry and non-understanding of some groups) and I do try to judge people by the content of their character to paraphrase Dr. King, Jr. But that doesn't erase my white privilege.
You are conflating two separate things. Racism is not synonymous with White Privilege. They are two separate things.
Granted a lot of 'racism' and/or 'bigotry' develops due to white privilege.
Racism/Bigotry can be seen as an understandable response to systemic white privilege over centuries of colonization (and dare I say genocides) of white expansion. The unconscious, in-born idea that western white society is the alpha and omega of human development. It is in our very languages, build into modern culture, science and art.
Do I benefit from it? Damn right I do - and I didn't even realize that other people lived in a different world outside of my white bubble until the experience in that classroom. I too - thought all things (American in my case) were the best and the brightest and we were bringing civilization to the world - that greed was the only valid motivator in the world - yadda, yadda, yadda. That I (actually we) had a right and a duty to bring other people into the modern/civilized/western worldview. The arrogance of that shames me.
I've never been a racist (I do admit to some bigotry and non-understanding of some groups) and I do try to judge people by the content of their character to paraphrase Dr. King, Jr. But that doesn't erase my white privilege.
edit on 13-5-2017 by FyreByrd because: (no reason
given)
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: openminded2011
White privilege is a politically constructed concept that attempts to excuse personal failures, poor choices, and abdication of personal responsibility in exchange for pandered votes.
So black people are likely to make less money than white people because as a population, black people are just not as good as white people according to your logic? I don't think that is the case. The black people I know are just as smart as the white people I know in about the same proportions. You would think poverty rates between two colors of people would be very close the same in terms of millions of people. But I don't think they are even close.
If we somehow have public policies that lift black people out of poverty then business owned by white people would have more customers. I think we need to think in terms of customers. What is the best way to get customers buying? I think the best way is to make sure customers have lots of money to spend.
edit on 13-5-2017 by dfnj2015 because: (no reason given)
There`s no such thing as white privilege which is why nobody can define it or give examples of it.
any definition or example put forth to try to explain it will have to include and apply to ALL "white" people.
if it doesn`t include and apply to poor whites as well as rich whites then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who immigrated here yesterday as well as white people who`s ancestors have been here for hundreds of years, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who live in big cities as well as rural areas, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who are conservatives as well as liberals then it isn`t white privilege.
if other ethnic groups, such as Asians, receive 'white privilege" benefits then it isn`t white privilege.
white privilege doesn`t exist it`s just the paranoid delusions of some non white people.
any definition or example put forth to try to explain it will have to include and apply to ALL "white" people.
if it doesn`t include and apply to poor whites as well as rich whites then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who immigrated here yesterday as well as white people who`s ancestors have been here for hundreds of years, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who live in big cities as well as rural areas, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who are conservatives as well as liberals then it isn`t white privilege.
if other ethnic groups, such as Asians, receive 'white privilege" benefits then it isn`t white privilege.
white privilege doesn`t exist it`s just the paranoid delusions of some non white people.
originally posted by: Tardacus
There`s no such thing as white privilege which is why nobody can define it or give examples of it.
any definition or example put forth to try to explain it will have to include and apply to ALL "white" people.
if it doesn`t include and apply to poor whites as well as rich whites then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who immigrated here yesterday as well as white people who`s ancestors have been here for hundreds of years, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who live in big cities as well as rural areas, then it isn`t white privilege.
if it doesn`t include and apply to white people who are conservatives as well as liberals then it isn`t white privilege.
if other ethnic groups, such as Asians, receive 'white privilege" benefits then it isn`t white privilege.
white privilege doesn`t exist it`s just the paranoid delusions of some non white people.
White privilege does apply to ALL whites - rich and poor, young and old, male, female, other.
originally posted by: FelisOrion
a reply to: dfnj2015
They still won't see it though.
"See the black man has to fly, to get something the white man has to walk to"
And that quote truly sums up 'white privilege'/
You still won't see it though.
Nope, I don't see it. Want a tissue?
It's white though, because of the white man...
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: openminded2011
"White privilege" is an excuse for not having money, a job, success.
Marxist asshats use it.
I'm lacking some of those.
I blame Ginger Privilege.
Rangas stole my exonomony...
originally posted by: 0racle
a reply to: openminded2011
How do children in poor families get information about how to spend money wisely?
Education? Common sense?
I know, impossible in todays world.
a reply to: openminded2011
From my experience,
it is really Rich privilege.
The club does not care what color your skin is.
The whole thing is just a distracting divide
and conquer technique...
www.youtube.com...
From my experience,
it is really Rich privilege.
The club does not care what color your skin is.
The whole thing is just a distracting divide
and conquer technique...
www.youtube.com...
edit on 13-5-2017 by Wildmanimal because: typo
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