Trumpgate , has the President been secretly recording his meetings ?

a reply to: toysforadults


Because you say so huh?

It turns out that it’s a very unusual act for a president to take. In fact, only one other FBI director has ever been fired in U.S. history.
That FBI Director, William Sessions, was fired by President Bill Clinton in 1993. According to the Congressional Research Service, “There are no statutory conditions on the President’s authority to remove the FBI Director. Since 1972, one Director has been removed by the President.”

Suggest you check your 'facts' unless you want to look like Trump.

a reply to: jtma508

How about you source your facts unless you want to look like CNN.

a reply to: gortex

I would assume every conversation at presidential level is recorded these days.
I'd certainly have it all recorded if I was president, secretly or otherwise.

my question would be if there's a tape of the meeting with Comey, then there must also be a tape of the meeting of the russians that he met with the day after he fired Comey, right???

a reply to: jtma508

1. what he SAID he'd do v. what he has actually done/is doing

I, personally, have never seen a President who has gotten so quickly to work on delivering on his campaign promises...the Wall, Obamacare repeal and replace, Tax reform, border security, law and order, war against ISIS (and other radical Islamic terrorist organizations), job creation, correcting trade imbalances, taking on rogue states (Iran and North Korea), getting rid of Government regulations, moving toward energy self-sufficiency - the list goes on.

2. the hiring decisions he makes

He has hired up an all-star Cabinet, confirmed an outstanding Supreme Court Justice, among others. When somebody is not working out (like Flynn and Comey) he has no trouble giving them the heave ho.

3. the absolute lack of stability in government he has caused

Draining the swamp necessitates a certain amount of rabble rousing. Last time I looked though, all branches of Government are still functioning - with the exception of the epic obstruction by the Democrats, and by left leaning activist lower-court judges.

4. his history of corrupt business practices

No doubt he has had his moments in this regard. However, to my knowledge he has never been convicted of any criminal business practice...so I think your label is a bit of a reach.

5. his penchant for self aggrandizement (narcissism) and disregard for facts

He has been building a "personal brand" for decades, and everything he does is therefore publicized as "great", "fantastic", "amazing", etc. It has worked for him in business - and now in politics.

Having a general "disregard for facts" is one of the prerequisites for entering politics in the U.S., so I guess you are saying that Trump is well qualified in this regard.

6. the damage he has done to our international posture

The only "damage" that Trump has done is that he has put America at odds with Globalists, (un)Fair Trading nations, Open Border advocates, and Islamist Caliphate dreamers.

He has quickly drawn China into a non-combative posture visa vie North Korea and trade...he has put Russia on notice that the U.S. is no longer going to "lead from behind"...he let Syria know that there are real red lines they can't cross now...he has let Iran know that the U.S. is no longer going to be manipulated...he has sent the clear message that all trade deals are going to be examined to be sure that the US is not getting the short end of the stick...Israel has been drawn back in, and Palestine is now ready to negotiate - with Trump in the lead.

7. his behavior during the campaign

Un-Presidential in many respects for sure. It is hard to argue with the results...but I personally wish that we could somehow return to the days of showing respect for one's opponents, debating the issues instead of hurling personal insults, and the use of proper English (ie. avoidance of cursing and other kinds of vulgar remarks in public). We now have people in the media, senior Democrats, and others following this downtrend. As Trump might tweet, "Sad!"

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: carewemust

Perhaps a thread title adjustment is in order?

I don't think so , Trumpgate has such a nice ring to it and could still turn out to be appropriate.

Sounds about right.
'I know I am wrong but I like bashing Trump'.

I'm sure everything of importance is taped in the white house. My question is, did anyone tell Trump that the tapes can be subpoenaed?

originally posted by: jtma508
Suggest you check your 'facts' unless you want to look like Trump.

The usual process is being asked to resign rather than being fired, but it's effectively the same thing. Just about every President has put their own FBI Director in, a few months into their term. Comey is one of the few who wasn't.

en.wikipedia.org...

Mueller - 2001
Freeh - 1993
Sessions 1987 (days before the election)
Kelley - 1973

Notice the pattern? W put his person in, Clinton put his in, HW likely put his person in, Nixon put his person in.

There's nothing unusual about this by Trump. There could be other motives at play but neither the timing or action should be a surprise.

a reply to: gortex

C'mon...Since before NIXON kids! THIS IS NOTHING NEW. Maybe for those under 40-but we've been through this and now any # of ways things can be recorded.

And you can be sure it is and has never stopped. Think about it. Especially the President and everyone associated with the presidency, white house, senate, congress, ""private offices....

Illegal? Maybe? But that doesnt stop the NSA...they have ways around everything. You all know that.

We can be SURE things are always recorded and documented. Always. Legal or otherwise.

a reply to: JinMI


source

Where the poster should have gone.


But to prevent your piss-poor attempt to discredit the facts:

source

a reply to: Aazadan

So if that's true, why didn't Trump ask for Comey's resignation after lavishing praise on him during the campaign? It's not the same thing. Your argument is BS.

originally posted by: gortex
I don't need to try and put Trump in a bad light , he does it well enough himself.... Bigly.

All light puts Trump in a bad light because he looks like somebody rubbed Cheeto dust all over a baked potato and garnished it with a Norwegian's pubes.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: carewemust

Perhaps a thread title adjustment is in order?

I don't think so , Trumpgate has such a nice ring to it and could still turn out to be appropriate.

Sounds about right.
'I know I am wrong but I like bashing Trump'.

Trump’s “hyper-reactive and thin-skinned response on almost an hourly basis” hasn’t helped him win support in the feud with Comey, said Kevin Madden, a GOP strategist and former public affairs official in George W. Bush’s Justice Department.

“The effect has been is to lionize Comey and put the president in the difficult position of being defensive,” Madden said. “That just puts him at a disadvantage when it comes to how the public judges whether what took place was the right thing or the wrong thing.”
thehill.com...

Yeah , I'm just knocking Trump for the fun of it , nothing to see here.

originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: Aazadan

So if that's true, why didn't Trump ask for Comey's resignation after lavishing praise on him during the campaign? It's not the same thing. Your argument is BS.

It typically happens in the middle of the year, other things like setting an agenda and managing a transition take priority.

a reply to: gortex

You were shown to be wrong and flat out said you prefer to keep the title anyways.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: TheScale

presidents have been recording meetings going back more then half a century.

Citation ?
As far as I'm aware meeting and call are transcribed but not recorded , perhaps I'm wrong.

Lol, thanks for the good chuckle! You thought they were recorded on paper?

a reply to: TheScale

presidents have been recording meetings going back more then half a century. i thought it was pretty common knowledge at this point that the entire whitehouse has been mic'd up for decades.

Are you sure?

No president in the past 40 years has been known to regularly tape his phone calls or meetings because, among other reasons, the recordings could be subpoenaed by investigators as they were during the Watergate investigation that ultimately forced President Richard M. Nixon to resign.

OP Source


a reply to: TheScale
Both of your links,
white house recordings
and
Presidential recording program
deal with recordings between 1940-1973 and seem to end with Watergate.
Got any other sources?

As for the OP, I suppose this is the source of the story.

President Trump on Friday warned James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director whom he fired this week, against leaking anything negative about him, saying that Mr. Comey “better hope” that there are no secret tapes of their conversations that the president could use in retaliation.
…
Mr. Trump chose not to clarify when asked later in the day by Fox News if there were tapes of conversations.

This is either another bluff by Trump or a very stupid move. If there are tapes made by Trump then they can be subpoenaed and then perhaps the OP is correct that this may parallel Watergate.

a reply to: Devino

Trump's whole point is for Comey to tell the truth, so not at all Watergate.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Devino

Trump's whole point is for Comey to tell the truth, so not at all Watergate.

I wish that were true yet I just can't seem to trust anything Trump says. Can you?

originally posted by: Devino

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Devino

Trump's whole point is for Comey to tell the truth, so not at all Watergate.

I wish that were true yet I just can't seem to trust anything Trump says. Can you?

Saying I have what we said recorded in case you lie is hard to twist any other way.