New Study - Transgender myth exposed - a mental disorder.

a reply to: CannedCanary

I am now going on 30 and I can honestly say that I am glad that my parents didn't support my crazy ideas in my youth. Like the doc said in the original posting, some of us grow out of it. A lot of the confusion comes from discovering who you are and growing comfortable in your own skin. Some will stick to the transgender narrative even as they grow older, but there are many of us who will grow out of it and when we do we will thank those who, at the time, prevented us from making a big, life-altering, mistake.

Very nice story.

You know what's also interesting? Neuroscientists have long said that metabolic changes in the brain don't stabilize until age 30. This is the problem. www.dailymail.co.uk...

People take the thoughts they have - or as you recognized, the formation of a narrative - as the real thing - as expressing something that is really happening to them ,and so, a 'metaphysical fact'.

The physical facts are the facts. The narrative can be damn near everything - and indeed, almost everyone in this insane civilization of ours has irrational fears/beliefs about themselves/the world which operate within them as narratives - as stories they need to make coherent the feelings they feel. But all of them reach these delusions by the same road - the same amygdala firing stress/fear/avoidance processes, guiding thought into a contextually compressed response. As we speak, a narrative forms, and we become beholden to the force of the narrative we weave for ourselves. Another term for this is a 'transitional object'.

And then we pass that metabolic plateau where our body transitions into a different metabolic modality. We live our lives, and then think, as you did, and I myself did as well "Eureka, things are so much clearer now". Being a brain researcher, I was aware that this shift was age related, yet many people who are young and naïve, or people who are old and insensitive to these facts, take their freaking beliefs about their gender as a metaphysical reality - and not just a belief - a thought form which incites a reaction, which attracts, but is only justifiable as a belief if it is supported by the physical and biological evidence - which of course shows the opposite. All were really experiencing is the species typical metabolic transition in Human beings where our brain - and emotional experiences - become more coherently handled by our cognitive forebrain - a transition that is commonly reported and experienced by Humans, and deals mainly with the regulation of affect (feeling). Many people overly attribute such changes to specific life-experiences or "just changing", rather than our body providing us a different background within which our thinking and reflection happens.

The fact is, this is indeed, a very dangerous belief. It is being bandied and peddled without any consideration of the biological, developmental and psychological facts. Clinical psychologists and their experiences with people with gender dysphoria are ignored, even though they are the ones best positioned, in hearing their stories, backgrounds, and various developmental conflicts, to understand that this issue arose as a happenstance affordance provided by the environment - something heard unconsciously, and eventually assimilated into a conscious narrative - which overtime became positively reinforced by an environment which is beginning to affirm the normality of this, as if changing ones sex/gender didn't come with medical or psychological life consequences.

The important point is trauma. Humans are very prone to assume that they haven't been traumatized - not recognizing the symptoms, they assume that their identity and the beliefs they have is about something essential and totally "wrong" about them, to which their gender becomes the theme. The problems they may experience they either cynically chalk up to their early life, or nonchalantly invoke 'genes'. This habit - or reflex - is a function of what trauma typically does to minds: it hardens the emergence of a defiant ego which experiences its need very powerfully, through hyper excitable affective reactions which they get too involved with to regulate themselves out of. Borderline personality disorder is oftentimes concomitant with gender dysphoria.

How does one overcome trauma? Talk about it with others willing to listen. The sincerity of the expressed narrative, the responses of the listener, and the experience of the self-being-known, is what heals and transforms ones feeling-reality.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Do you understand that a psychologist has absolutely no business making a statement in a professional capacity about biology, don't you?

I mean, psychiatrists and psychologists practice soft science. They are simply not qualified to make such a judgement about biological matters, because most individuals in that field lack knowledge of biology, except as is specifically regards their work. You also understand, I assume, that where matters of identification of sexual or gender issues are concerned, a biologist, a geneticist, would be far better placed than any soft science, roll neck sweater type ever is, to comment from an informed position?

In that case, I'm a biologist.

There are men (XY) and women (XX). There are also some mutations that are so rare that they don't matter.

Anyone who thinks they are a woman in a perfectly good male body, or vice versa, is delusional.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Bone75

Left-handedness was harmful back then due to society frowning on it.

Interesting that nobody replied to this post of mine.

K I'll reply.

You are seriously comparing the genetics of sex chromosomes to the ambiguous inheritability of being a lefty or a righty?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

"But what about left handedness" is one of the most fallacious and ridiculous arguments some people make to defend transgenderism

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Do you understand that a psychologist has absolutely no business making a statement in a professional capacity about biology, don't you?

I mean, psychiatrists and psychologists practice soft science. They are simply not qualified to make such a judgement about biological matters, because most individuals in that field lack knowledge of biology, except as is specifically regards their work. You also understand, I assume, that where matters of identification of sexual or gender issues are concerned, a biologist, a geneticist, would be far better placed than any soft science, roll neck sweater type ever is, to comment from an informed position?

I that case, I'm a biologist.

There are men (XY) and women (XX). There are also some mutations that are so rare that they don't matter.

Anyone who thinks they are a woman in a perfectly good male body, or vice versa, is delusional.

You're delusional.

You know damned well there are several gender markers and that chromosomes are only one of those several. Very few people hit all of those markers on one side. Narrowing down sex to chromosomes is a favorite go-to because the correlation is strong but not in any way reliable. We're talking over one in four hundred which isn't that rare. You don't even know what your own are unless you've forked out the money for a karyotype blood test.

But keep citing the invisible thing that has next to nothing to do with your actual sex after you leave the womb. And go ahead and ignore hormones, neuro-receptors, secondary sexual characteristics, etc, since it doesn't fit your myopic view.

a reply to: CannedCanary

I wish I could put your comments on page 1!

Thank you for your honesty and input.

a reply to: Astrocyte

I have been silently in the background reading every post and you know what ..... you are smart and I like that.

Great responses....I starred you on almost everyone.....

This is primarily a social phenomenon, the transgender movement, with science behind the curb. Perhaps one day it may change by itself but it’s too late to try to alter such a powerful social movement with some scientific rhetoric

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Controversy over gender, sexuality and sex reassignment surgery He opposes sex reassignment surgery for transgender people.[16] In 1979, he shut down the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins, explaining that a study found that most of the people who had undergone this type of surgery "had much the same problems with relationships, work, and emotions as before. The hope that they would emerge now from their emotional difficulties to flourish psychologically had not been fulfilled."[17] He has said that medical treatment for transgender youth is “like performing liposuction on an anorexic child”,[18] described post-operative transgender women as “caricatures of women” because the surgery failed to change many of their male traits,[17] and stated that “The transgendered suffer a disorder of 'assumption.'”[16] McHugh considers homosexuality to be an “erroneous desire”[19] and supported California Proposition 8.[20] He co-authored a criticism of medical treatment for transgender youth[21] published by the American College of Pediatricians.

I don't think he is the right one to take this stand. He obviously has some ideological preferences towards the binary gender stance. And has some flawed views on sexuality.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Oh boy. Sure glad that matter is settled and we can get back to electrocuting and slicing brains of people we don't understand.

Jesus this is ignorant. I am embarrassed for you and him and the 80+ people that agree with you.

2 whole studies huh? Brilliant.

a reply to: Abysha

And you go on and keep citing feelings and emotions. That's science right there.

I know what I am: a human being with XY chromosomes. How about you?

EDIT

p.s. 1/400 = 0.25%, and anything less 2.5% is considered an outlier. That is statistically rare; it's not even a rounding error. And that 0.25% happens when you streeeeetch to find the most charitable metrics available and try to incorporate standard genetic variations to make the numbers look better than they are.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
I do find it interesting that when a person says they are a "woman" but are obviously a "man", that is called trans-gendered and the correction is to modify the body to match what the brain believes.

But every other time that the brain tells it's owner they are a goat, Napoleon, an Alien, etc...we help to correct the mind because it is obviously confused.

Considering that...and the suicide rate of those who have "converted" to appear to be of the opposite sex, I believe it must be a mental issue, brain issue, chemical issue, etc. otherwise the conversion should solve the problem. Apparently it doesn't and we allow these poor people to mutilate their bodies and still die confused and depressed.

Not every Gender dysphoric person can afford to have surgery or hormones to change their bodies. Some of us have accepted it and just try to live as best as we can. I am not confused. mental health has even checked me out im as sane as anyone else.


The statistic that 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide is used all the time to justify all sorts of things that have absolutely zero basis in science

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has addressed the issue of suicide in LGBT populations, and reached the same conclusions on the actual causes of suicide in the transgender community:

“Suicidal behaviors in LGBT populations appear to be related to “minority stress”, which stems from the cultural and social prejudice attached to minority sexual orientation and gender identity. This stress includes individual experiences of prejudice or discrimination, such as family rejection, harassment, bullying, violence, and victimization. Increasingly recognized as an aspect of minority stress is “institutional discrimination” resulting from laws and public policies that create inequities or omit LGBT people from benefits and protections afforded others. Individual and institutional discrimination have been found to be associated with social isolation, low self-esteem, negative sexual/gender identity, and depression, anxiety, and other mental disorders. These negative outcomes, rather than minority sexual orientation or gender identity per se, appear to be the key risk factors for LGBT suicidal ideation and behavior.”

SO it is not just the Transistion being a factor in their suicides. Its not as simple as that.

I don't argue that. But it also may provide more insight into my opinion. Suicide is kinda final...and a big decision. I would argue that if you are considering suicide, you may have a mental issue just based upon that fact. Or...that if what others think of you drives you to suicide, you need to talk to someone because your brain isn't where it should be. If nothing else, that backs up my opinion.

No insult intended but just because you say you are not "confused" doesn't make it a fact. I'm sure there are people out there that believe they are aliens and believe they are not "confused". And unless you have been medically examined for brain chemistry issues, etc...and maybe even if you have...even doctors don't know all the mysteries of the mind.

My opinion may still be valid...and after all it is only my opinion.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

That's because the person who thinks he is an alien is psychotic (scizophrenic/bi-polar, etc.), and anti-psych meds fix the problem. Anti-psych meds don't do anything to resolve gender dysphoria, therefore it's not a psychosis.

There have been many transgender people right here on ATS who have testified that physical transition has helped them tremendously. You are against these people being helped?

There you go again. Someone has an opinion different than your and you attack them with "You are against these people being helped?". Sad.

Medical science and especially anything with the mind is in it's infancy. We are children when it comes to many of these things. We don't know what pollutants have done to us...we don't know what dietary chemicals do to us...we don't know much. My wife and daughter get severe headaches and depression from artificial sweeteners and recently it was announced that ibuprofen raises your risk of heart attack 33%. Who knows what we have done to, and are doing to ourselves and our brains. Everything may cause "suicidal thoughts or actions". I am leaning toward chemicals as a strong possibility for why a lot of things like this occur.

But again...just my opinion. Now feel free to call me a homophobe or whatever else you want. I don't value your opinion anyway because you are so bias and unwilling to consider opinions (or facts for that matter) other than your own.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: SBMcG

Pretty odd that some people believe that it's a choice. I mean who really want to be a woman? Seriously think about it. That's like believing that straight guys can choose to be gay.

Just because it isn't a choice doesn't mean it is natural. There can be many social, chemical, etc. causes. It may still be unnatural or abnormal.

Just saying.

a reply to: Astrocyte

Don't let her upset you. She speaks from a different orifice.

I personally believe that if, without barriers, you wanted to raise a child from birth...you could influence their gender. You could form their world, their clothes, their exposure to TV, etc. and raise a teenager that believes they are a "female" instead of a "male" even if they are physically "male".

If so...then that would prove that a person's upbringing and environment can influence "gender". Maybe as extreme as that example is, some people don't require that extent of control and/or adjustment. Maybe a few select events...maybe a chemical or mental issue could cause the same affect.

If so...then gay, lesbian, trans may all be unnatural. Maybe curable. Maybe some people including scientists are too scared to say such things out of fear of being branded or attacked. Maybe the truth is being hidden.

originally posted by: CannedCanary
I just want to put my (long) 2 cents in.

As a person who grew up biologically female, I ended up resenting it as I grew older. It got worse when I hit puberty. When I discovered that I might classify as "transgender" I thought, "Aha! So I'm not the only one!!" I was excited.
I obsessed over it for several years. I even planned to go through the therapy. But living under my parents roof (and still not old enough to move out) it was impossible. They didn't support me. They kept telling me I'd grow out of these weird feelings I was having. And I didn't believe them.

Fast forward.

Other problems came up in my life that prevented me from being able to afford therapy and all those other things that transgenders usually want. And honestly, I believe it was probably fated to be that way. I dropped the idea that I wanted to be transgender when I came to the brutal realization that no matter how much therapy, hormones, and surgery you get, it's all fake in the end. You will never truly be the opposite sex through such artificial measures. It depressed me but I'm someone who always wants the genuine thing. I don't like settling for imitation.
At the time I just prayed that in my next life I was born a male instead.

I am now going on 30 and I can honestly say that I am glad that my parents didn't support my crazy ideas in my youth. Like the doc said in the original posting, some of us grow out of it. A lot of the confusion comes from discovering who you are and growing comfortable in your own skin. Some will stick to the transgender narrative even as they grow older, but there are many of us who will grow out of it and when we do we will thank those who, at the time, prevented us from making a big, life-altering, mistake.

So to those who blindly push for acceptance and encouragement of the transgender movement, I advise caution. Especially when it concerns small children. It is easy to plant an idea into a child's head and confuse them. Children are still discovering who they are and are susceptible to outside influences. It is only with age that comes the knowledge and wisdom that is required for us to make our own life-altering decisions. Having someone else push and encourage these life-altering decisions can turn out to be fatal in some cases.

And THAT is a huge part of the problem. People what to believe and feel they are normal, accepted, and that their beliefs are valid. So when you take a trans person, and present them with an "I may be trans" person, they may decide to support and therefore promote that belief in the other person. If a group decides they are normal and "made that way", they can spread that belief like a disease. It can infect others even if it doesn't apply to them. This is very much like a cult. One made-up idea is spread to others and as the group grows in size, more and more people begin to believe. Usually such "victims" are susceptible to such coercion or are in the midst of a "confusion" and are offered the "solution" of acceptance and the belief there are others like them.

In short...it is entirely possible that no one is "born that way" and over time, and with the support of a "community" that wants to believe they are normal have affected others. You can see this in other situations like dramatic body modification, full facial tattoos, amputation, cutting, etc. Once one weak or damaged person hears that "there are others like you" they have (or have been given) a purpose...a reason to do something completely dramatic and life changing when maybe they just need someone to talk to at a professional level.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Bone75

Left-handedness was harmful back then due to society frowning on it.

Interesting that nobody replied to this post of mine.

because it was a bit sinister

sad , sick little world
your cure will pain me ....

If a skinny person looks in the mirror and thinks they are overweight, then tries to starve themselves, they are typically diagnosed with Anorexia Nervosa and are given the proper help before they hurt themselves.

If a man looks in the mirror and thinks he's a woman, then tries to mutilate himself, he is given a trophy and carried by the media as being some sort of hero.