The Details of Trump's Pals and Their Russian Connections

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: RazorV66

Let me put it into words even the dumbest Trumpkin can understand: If the President or his people have connections to the Kremlin, Semion Mogilevich's family, the Lyuberetskaya, or Russian loyalist oligarchs that's a conflict of interest for the President of the United States.

Why?
Since when is Russia our sworn enemy?
Were your panties in a bunch when Trump met with President Xi of Communist China?...COMMUNIST CHINA?
Your fear mongering over Russia is nauseating.

a reply to: SBMcG

Except for the fact that he's been touting his Russian connections for about 30 years or so. He even wrote about it in his book.

Trump’s references to Russia go back at least as far as his 1987 book The Art of the Deal, in which he wrote that he was in talks with the Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin “about building a large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government.” He attempted, ultimately unsuccessfully, to seal the deal with a visit to Moscow, during which, according to The Washington Post, Trump “met with a lot of economic and financial advisers in the Politburo,” the Soviet Union’s chief political body. The next year, the real-estate mogul personally hosted the Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev at Trump Tower in New York.

The Atlantic

Trump attempted to rekindle his Russian connections during one of his brushes with bankruptcy in 1996, saying he had never been “as impressed with the potential of a city as I have been with Moscow.” Once again, the proposed development, this time an underground shopping mall near the Kremlin, fell through. In the process, though,Trump developed a partnership with a development company called the Bayrock Group, which was founded by a former Soviet official and a Russian-American businessman who has since been implicated in a stock-manipulation and money-laundering scheme involving members of the Russian mob.

He must be a little rattled about the whole thing. He just hired a DC law firm to help him deny any connection to Russia.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: JinMI

Sure it is. Session's self recusal was because of his contacts with Sergey Kislyak.

The fact that Manafort and Page resigned before the election means very little when both resigned over suspicions that they were also talking with the Russians.

Sessions as a US Senator and Kislyak as a Russian ambassador. Where is the conflict here? Are/were we at war? Was he somehow not allowed to speak in this capacity with Russian diplomats?

Both of the others resigning before the election indicates that the Trump camp separating themselves from what baggage they had. Do you disagree with the action?

Did you happen to find a source that Rosneft is a subsidiary of Exxon? On this topic I won't disagree that it looks highly suspicious having the current SoS and former Exxon ceo continue to play oil politics. To what end besides possible kickbacks, I do not know.

Hell even im sick and tired of hearing about Russia. No one really cares except the ones that believe the manufactured "red scare" propaganda the US/EU governments pump out...

I would believe it more if it was China over any other country.

originally posted by: RazorV66

Why?
Since when is Russia our sworn enemy?
Were your panties in a bunch when Trump met with President Xi of Communist China?...COMMUNIST CHINA?
Your fear mongering over Russia is nauseating.

You've never heard of the Cold War? Even after the Iron Curtain fell we weren't exactly friends.

They also go out of their way to be veto everything we try to do in the UN. Not exactly on good terms with them...

Also, Syria.

Also, North Korea.

I'm growing tired of explaining this crap to a group of willfully ignorant Trump supporters who refuse to see the shadiness of Mogul's connection to our biggest adversary in the world.

Russia is your biggest adversary?

WRONG

a reply to: AnonyMason

So what? The only reason why the US isnt on good terms with Russia is because of the US's own foreign policy. US imperialistic ideals havent worked very well period no matter what country the US sticks its nose in.

a reply to: JinMI

You're right. It's not a parent/subsidiary. They're partners in a 500 billion dollar offshore drilling deal that Rex Tillerson and Putin worked on together. It was hit with sanctions... the very same sanctions that Tillerson could, now, help lift. Something that would pay off huge for Exxon.

No conflict of interest there, either? Or is it now acceptable for corporate insiders to have seats in government that can help their former businesses make huge profits? This never happened with Wall Street banksters? Oh wait it totally happened with Wall Street banksters. Never happened with defense contractors? Oh, yeah, that happened too.

a reply to: AnonyMason

Again, SO WHAT? Russia is an emerging market, flush with cash, and eager to join the free and open markets.

Your entire case is based upon guilt by association and there's VERY LITTLE actual association there.

To this day, no evidence exists indicating Trump has ANY business interests in Russia or with "the Russians".

Again, this whole thing is utter horse s#|t and isn't even a plausible conspiracy theory at this point.

It's a global economy ... nothing to see here.

As for Hillary using the SOS office to enrich her family ... now that is corruption.

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
a reply to: AnonyMason

So what? The only reason why the US isnt on good terms with Russia is because of the US's own foreign policy. US imperialistic ideals havent worked very well period no matter what country the US sticks its nose in.

I'm not sure how to respond to this without giving you a play by play of the Cold War, Vietnam, the space race, and the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's simple. Russia and the US have never liked each other outside of teaming up for cool ISS stuff, or occasionally sharing intelligence between respective alphabet agencies in either country.

Outside of that we have been playing a huge game of chess with them since 1946.

a reply to: AnonyMason

No conflict of interest there, either?

If you reread my post, you'll see in that area, I actually agree with you. In the Tillerson regards to your thread, I agree. I'm just not following the overall Russian connection. Especially with Sessions.

Lets not forget about health insurance companies and big pharma.

a reply to: SBMcG

Well it is a conspiracy site.

I wish there was a document we could acquire that would display a persons financial history... taxable income... write offs, net worth...

Too bad those types of documents don't exist. It would shed a much brighter light on this whole Russian business situation.

Lest the Trumpkins forget, their Hair Furor is also good friends with the Saudis, and has plenty of business dealing with them too. And seeing how they weren't on his travel ban, even though they produce, fund, and support more terrorists and extremist ideologies than anyone, Hair Furor will likely continue this long standing relationship with the terrorist kingdom.

www.washingtonpost.com... 3491

www.forbes.com... 4

time.com...

I'd rather not be friends with Saudi Arabia, a theocratic Islamic monarchy, any more than I'd want to be friends with the corrupt, racist kleptocracy that is Russia.

I would think a billionaire business mogul would have international connections, internationally. He wasn't a politician nor was he running for president either. It shouldn't be a surprise.

Now, collusion is a totally different topic and apparently there is nothing but projection and conjecture. I mean they've been spying on Trump for how long now? Yet he won the presidency and still hasn't been impeached. What are they waiting for? The perfect timing? The perfect time would've been before he won the presidency I think.

You know.. maybe there is nothing there.

a reply to: JinMI

I understand we are in agreement. My sarcasm was more for the sake of sarcasm. Not directed at you. It's hard to tell with text and I'll keep that in mind moving forward.

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY
Innocent until proven guilty. Let me know when Trump is brought under charges. Until then. Keep speculating and creating innuendos.

I'm curious. Do you take that tone when you speak on Hillary's name?

I surely hope not.

Trump should be under scrutiny rather you voted for him or not.

I'm concerned with the overall tone of ATS. It's pretty clear to me (someone that is taking an overall spectator's perspective) that Trump has given into someone's or something's allegiance other than the American people. Just as many of the last few President's have.

There aren't enough people questioning his motives and too many people blowing off red flags.

Really. What is there to truly trust?

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

So, when you use the term "Trumpkin", do you mean that as an insult or in a derogatory way toward proud Trump supporters like me?

Just curious.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: SBMcG

Well it is a conspiracy site.

I wish there was a document we could acquire that would display a persons financial history... taxable income... write offs, net worth...

Too bad those types of documents don't exist. It would shed a much brighter light on this whole Russian business situation.

Those documents don't exist.

Trump is cleaner than a preacher's sheets.

Again, if I'm wrong, I'll own it.

But I'm not wrong.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
I would think a billionaire business mogul would have international connections, internationally. He wasn't a politician nor was he running for president either. It shouldn't be a surprise.

Now, collusion is a totally different topic and apparently there is nothing but projection and conjecture. I mean they've been spying on Trump for how long now? Yet he won the presidency and still hasn't been impeached. What are they waiting for? The perfect timing? The perfect time would've been before he won the presidency I think.

You know.. maybe there is nothing there.

Impeachment is a long process, not an instant hit. There is plenty there. But impeachment is a serious matter. Look how long it took to impeach past presidents. It will happen. The Chump can delay it all he likes, but he won't stop it.

As far as his international business dealings: Yes. He has them. Do you understand "conflicts of interest" here?

He has business dealings and assets in foreign countries, plus tons of foreign investors. These are all things that can hold undue influence in a president, that they will rule his decision making more than the welfare and best interests of the U.S. The people who hold his loans, who financially back him.

Conflict of interest.