The Beginning of Totalitarianism in the U.S: The destruction of the memory of The Confederacy

originally posted by: underwerks
Is the civil war still being taught about in school? In books?

Yes?

Then it isn't being censored. Then again, I'm not permanently looking for something to become outraged about. So we may see things differently.

LOL, you even said it and still don't get it. The outrage started with people wanting to remove something that has been there for decades. Historical monuments that marked a spot on the earth where something significant happened. They aren't being removed by those who are arguing they be left, they are being moved by SJW's who think that if you can't see it, it never happened. Resources and money are actively being spent to do this, and why? Because a few people found out that if they squeak loud enough, they will get some grease.

Eventually, something you care about will be taken away and you may see the point, but it's doubtful.

originally posted by: buster2010
So should every act of treason against America be celebrated with statues?

No, but they put Lincoln statues up anyways, didn't they?

a reply to: Slanter

The statue occupies the spot where a local regiment mustered to retreat from the city just before Union troops seized Alexandria in 1861. Erected in 1889 and owned by the local chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, it bears the names of Alexandria residents who died on behalf of the South. Once surrounded by an iron fence, grass and gaslights, its footprint has shrunk significantly, and vehicles have occasionally collided with it. The United Daughters of the Confederacy did not appear at the public hearing, and it did not return requests for comment Saturday. But it earlier sent the council a book about the statue’s history. “If this were on Monument Avenue in Richmond, where it is clearly [celebratory], I’d say knock it down,” said council member Timothy B. Lovain (D). But the statue is a reminder of the costs of war, he said. If it can remain at the same historic corner, with additional context explaining its significance, and be removed as a traffic hazard, the relocation might be politically possible.

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So a statue commemorating the loss of life for soldiers in this town fits into your delete folder?

a reply to: network dude

If the people that live where a monument is don't want it there any more, who am I to say they're wrong?

It's hardly history being censored. If one of these statues was the sole connection to a part of information that would be lost otherwise, you'd have a point.

You people obviously haven't been to a school in 20 years.

Right Wing Propaganda infests the public school system like no other. So much so we complain about ever Liberal teacher ever now.

a reply to: network dude

Overall I consider memorials to be sacrosanct, as long as they aren't glorifying a specific confederate leader or the confederate cause. Reading the article, it sounds like they're planning on moving it mostly for its own good... since its location in the middle of an intersection has resulted in drunk drivers colliding with it. Honestly, I agree with Timothy Lovain's sentiments about that specific statue.

a reply to: Mikemp44

You should really consider a destruction of that wall of text.

a reply to: underwerks

Eventually, you may see what I'm saying. This is all politically motivated. Which, when it's your side doing the job, all is well, but things change and if this becomes the way things happen, expect this to continue and get much, much worse.

a reply to: network dude

Funny but I see no union soldier statues I wonder why? Same here in Columbia. No Sherman torch raised with his horse rearing....

I wonder why.

Symbols say a lot, and sadly, the dialog is taking place in empty heads, most of the time.

Now figure out what the government was saying when 4 white leaders ( magnified 500 times ) were carved into the sacred Grandmother Hills.
Winners and losers both do such things. And for the saddest reasons : to look in the mirror and assure themselves they were the "good guys ".
And today it's in style to be a ( boo-hoo ) "second-hand " victim.
I can't dredge up much sympathy for those who cry over spilled milk rather than building a better future atop the mistakes of the past.
Yes, I had ancestors on both sides of the Civil War. I respect those who fought for their ideals., no matter the color of their uniforms.

If you don't like Earth's history , ask The Donald to give you a birth on the first Mars flight , and try building a civilization without a history. ( Let me know how that works out for you.

Fact... you are stirring HATRED by doing this to the South. And I for one Stand with the South, as do about every one I have met here.

The liberals are going confederate crazy. We need these reminders of the
past.

They will do anything to upset the legitimacy of America.

Good thing they are mostly out of power for a long, long time.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: buster2010

So states shouldn't not ever in history or the future be allowed to secede?

YOU'RE FREE TO LIVE UNDER OUR THUMB OR DIE.

They were more than free to secede just not start a war like the South did.

a reply to: ThatHappened

The liberals are going confederate crazy. We need these reminders of the past.

Yes we need constant reminders that there was a time when the white man was in total charge.

Those who control the past control the future - 1984.

We do not want those tearing down the statues of the past
control us, now do we?

a reply to: buster2010

a reply to: Mikemp44

I feel your pain, I used to agree with your position, and in a sense, I still do. But the reality of the situation is that due in no small part to generations of open borders and the takeover of the schools by the Leftist Cultural Marxists, its apparent to me that US culture is quickly morphing into something anyone over 45 would never recognize or be able to identify with. As a result, I no longer self-identify as a US American, I self-identify as an Expat. Don't call me an "American", I nor anyone else for that matter really knows what that term means anymore.

Having realized this and watching as the former US culture is erased and replaced by something I cant identfy with, I dont care what they do with the statues. By the same token, I will never again visit or spend a dollar in the New Americans cities. My vacation dollars go overseas.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: network dude

Funny but I see no union soldier statues I wonder why? Same here in Columbia. No Sherman torch raised with his horse rearing....

I wonder why.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say "because this is in the south".
YMMV

originally posted by: buster2010
So should every act of treason against America be celebrated with statues?

Yes. lincoln has a huge one in washington DC.

originally posted by: buster2010
So should every act of treason against America be celebrated with statues?

except it wasn`t treason

by definition treason is defined as:

trea·son
/ˈtrēzən/
noun

noun: treason; noun: high treason; plural noun: high treasons
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

The confederate states weren`t trying to kill the president of the united states nor were they trying to overthrow the government of the united states.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Mikemp44

There are approximately 45 million African Americans. Most of which are descendent's of slaves.

I would assume their feelings have to be taken into account. Not a good thing having reminders of the slave era on public show.

Just my opinion anyway.

The problem with that is that the confederacy only existed for 5 years, for the 80 years before that,while the confederate states were still a part of the U.S.,the blacks were slaves under the American flag.
maybe when they get done erasing confederate history they will start erasing American history too since their ancestors were held as slaves for 80 years under the American flag.