White Privilege vs. My Father's Life

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: SaturnFX

I agree with a lot of what you say, especially about majority and cultural privileges. I tried to address this briefly in my OP but was less effective than you.

There's also a lot to agree with you summary regarding the historical reasons for African-American's issues in the US.

I have some minor disagreements with what you have to say about Asians in the US. Broad brush, many Americans think that all Asians are wiz kids academically. Though on a percentage basis this may've been accurate in the past, I don't think it any longer exists. But that's a whole other can of worms.

Actually I think they are book smart because their mothers make sure they are motivated unlike the average American kid that wants to sit around goofing off after school.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
I have some minor disagreements with what you have to say about Asians in the US. Broad brush, many Americans think that all Asians are wiz kids academically. Though on a percentage basis this may've been accurate in the past, I don't think it any longer exists. But that's a whole other can of worms.

Its still accurate

It's true that 42% of all Asian American adults have at least a college degree, the highest of all the major racial/ethnic groups. It's also common for Asian American students to have the highest test scores and/or GPAs within any given high school or college cohort

Now, when I am discussing Asians, I make the mistake of mostly hitting on east asians (chinese, japanese, koreans). Sure, Thai and other communities from poorer nations have a tougher time here in integration for some reason. new to capitalism I suppose, but even under the broad brush of "Asian", they still make up for it. If we discuss just the specifics of east asians, the privilege goes much higher up

As far as finances, again, Asians are on top

As of 2010, 14,011,000 Asians were living in America.[18] Asian Americans are the only minority in the United States whose median income is higher than whites, assuming Pacific Islanders are not counted as a separate race

And if pacific islanders were counted a seperate race..it would be through the roof (again, east makes up for the southeast poorer ones).

Asians..specifically the 3 big ones, have it the most easy in the USA. Holds true today

The only advantage Asian people have in the west is good work ethic and parents whom drive their children to succeed.

originally posted by: CajunMetal
All I know is, despite my own situation growing up (I.e. black kids threatening to beat the white kids if they don't move from the back of the bus because they just learned about segregation in class and were reclaiming it?) despite that I'm confident that if I get pulled over I have at LEAST a 75% chance of not being ticketed or suspected of wrong doing because I'm white.

One study that I read recently proves your point and touches on subconscious racial bias.

One of those potential factors: subconscious racial biases. Studies show, for example, that officers are quicker to shoot black suspects in video game simulations. Josh Correll, a University of Colorado Boulder psychology professor who conducted the research, said it's possible the bias could lead to more skewed outcomes in the field. "In the very situation in which [officers] most need their training," he said, "we have some reason to believe that their training will be most likely to fail them."

www.vox.com...


Also in education, it appears black students are not being tracked into college as much as white students, unless there is a black teacher present as a role model.

blogs.edweek.org...

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Jim Crow

Want some? Okay... Racism in GI Bill

People expect black people to catch up when they were delibertly held back. Do i agree with the terminology? No, but it coins the advantages some groups of people have over another.

Some reading, as a Irish decendant its worth a read imo How the Irish became white

An example? Your up Toyota! Toyota caught in racist practices

White privledge is the moniker for institutionalized racism.

The biggest problem the black community has right now is the single parent household plague that has decimated the black community. You fail to realize that wealth is generational and if You come from a broken family then You start off at square 1 with nothing to Your name. The black community is not the only victim though considering how over 50% of marriages end up in divorce in the US because people are selfish pricks. Now if divorce was unheard of then Mom and Dad would pass away and leave Junior the house whom would pass away leaving two houses to His children which would make the community richer as a whole.

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric


My mother grew up in a 1 bedroom shack with 9 other people and they were the poorest family in their small town. My mother didn't have many options other than to marry someone so She could get out of that small town and that ended in a divorce. Some people on here assume that white people suddenly get a check just for being white but I can assure You the majority of us start with nothing and if were lucky We might leave our children something. I for one have made sure that My child will have a better life than I had and that takes a lot of self sacrifice and as far as I am concerned that is the only privilege She has over Her peers.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Some of you are confusing class and poverty with privilege. White privlege has nothing to do with wealth.

White privilege is the fact that there are things you simply do not have worry about just because you are white.

Please enlighten us and tell us what white people never have to worry about. I for one have to worry about the #ty economy and not being able to pay My bills. I also worry about the account being overdrawn and not having enough money to buy food. Strangely enough if I go to the welfare office and ask for assistance I get none because I made to much money last year. The funny thing is it doesn't matter if You made 100k last year because if You have been out of work for 6 months that money goes really quick especially when uncle sam comes a calling.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

In modern America, anyone that is slightly right of anarcho-communist is considered an "extreme right wing bible thumping redneck Nazi Trumpkin." Even ATS has been affected by this nonsense. This is why I place my political compass in my avatar. I am literally a dead-center Libertarian, yet I get called all kinds of ridiculous political slurs.

As far as the topic goes... white privilege is just another false narrative created by the social engineers at the top. The elites don't want us banding together and fighting the REAL enemies sitting in their ivory towers. They want us pointing fingers at each other, instead of at them. They do not want people from all walks of life looking at the real culprits, the corporate-political class that lords over us as if we nothing more than numbers in a database.

We are nothing but livestock, and our farmers consistently place diseases in the herd, to keep us from looking at the slaughterhouse on the other side of the fence.

a reply to: Winstonian

The points you make have been made in various ways in the responses to this OP. I have to agree. The black community itself is pitted against each other by the same class via the on-going war on drugs. The fact of the matter is that most middle-class and working class people have much more in common with each other, regardless of race, than we do with TPTB.

Thanks for your response.

originally posted by: jkm1864
The only advantage Asian people have in the west is good work ethic and parents whom drive their children to succeed.

Yes. culture driven. I agree mostly
It would be interesting to have some tests done to see if there are any neural differences, but overall yes, culture will push forward or hold back.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

All of the places where I have lived and, the experiences I've endured...

Someone please try to convince me that whiteness gave me any advantage in my existence.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: starwarsisreal

If he's a professor then he has tenure. He may lose his liberal reputation but not his job. He's a coward.

Everyone who is a professor is not tenured.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Jim Crow

Want some? Okay... Racism in GI Bill

People expect black people to catch up when they were delibertly held back. Do i agree with the terminology? No, but it coins the advantages some groups of people have over another.

Some reading, as a Irish decendant its worth a read imo How the Irish became white

An example? Your up Toyota! Toyota caught in racist practices

White privledge is the moniker for institutionalized racism.

Your post it extremely outdated. The Post 9/11 GI bill is an entirely different thing than what you've linked. Stop peddling fake bull#. I'm in school on the post 9/11 GI bill. No one non white in that Vet Center has it harder than White veterans.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

White privilege does not mean and never has meant that all white people get nice stuff. Claiming it doesn't exist because you don't have nice stuff is attacking a strawman.

Again, a vague assertion of "white privilege". I have yet to hear one concrete specific of what white privilege is, and I suspect its because the people who assert it are just parroting what they have heard from leftist ideologues and even they themselves don't actually know what it is, they have just been told it exists. So please, I implore you, prove me wrong and give at least 5 specific examples of what white privilege is.

originally posted by: Edumakated
White privilege exists but it is not as big of a deal as most of these SJWs make it out to be. I'm a black male and when I think of white privilege it is really just not constantly having to worry about if you are being discriminated against because of your race.

While the younger generation may not necessarily have experienced it, I am in my mid 40s and most certainly have felt the tinge of discrimination. However, it is nothing like what my parents who grew up during segregation experienced.

It is really hard to explain it as a white person (no matter your class) really cannot relate to what it feels like to be a minority under a microscope both overtly and even subliminally when it comes to the black experience in America.

While I think a lot of this stuff is vastly over stated these days, I don't think it can also be outright dismissed.

Thank you for your candid post. Its the only one on this thread that makes an attempt to explain the assertion of white privilege. I do believe what you have described exists and does go on but I think the label of "white privilege" is not what it should be called, its simple bigotry. Trust me, in 2017 America, white people do not enjoy any sort of privilege, most of us are working paycheck to paycheck and trying not to become homeless. That's why you see the reaction you do, people struggling this hard know its ludicrous to tell them they have any sort of privilege in this society. That being said, I don't think there is a black vs white struggle, I think there is a top vs bottom struggle that is class based.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

People don't like to talk about the Irish and what all they had to endure because it takes away from American black slavery tales. You know stuff like, there were just as many Irish slaves and how society wouldn't allow Irish people to rent their homes or stay at their inns, etc.. Racism on the other end of the color spectrum. Forbidden! HEH

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

White privilege does not mean and never has meant that all white people get nice stuff. Claiming it doesn't exist because you don't have nice stuff is attacking a strawman.

It doesn't exist. It's a claim that people get more for being white, and I know literally NO ONE who ever gained anything from that. I have known a lot of people who got something for being some skin color other than white, too. If we want to be honest, let's talk about that reality.

Where are the scholarships for white students, for their race?
Where are the job quotas for white guys?

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

I wonder if theives in a dark alleyway at night who desperately need to mug someone consider race as a deciding point.....
Nah!
I think their victim's personal attire, and car type or level of jewelry would more signify whether they should target them.

Same for whether someone's allowed into a fancy opera or restaurant or casino high rollers vip area.
Just flash a black (top level) American express card and they dont care if your skin color is purple.

I think this white privilege vs black lives matter is like two toddlers squabbling at the table meanwhile the older Asian brother next to them is getting ahead in life.

Also IN AMERICA, I think middle eastern, hispanic, AND Asian taxi cab drivers have a valuable score card in their minds that they use all workday long that they use to decide who they're more inclined to pickup and who they avoid.
Based on race, attire, location, disposition, drunkenness.
This in hopes of more money from tips versus less tips or being robbed.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

It's not a claim that people get more for being white.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

It's not a claim that people get more for being white.

You keep telling yourself that. Won't change the facts. That is exactly what the anti-white racists claim.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

It's not a claim that people get more for being white.

You keep telling yourself that. Won't change the facts. That is exactly what the anti-white racists claim.

Do these 'anti-white racists' get to define terms now?