War of Words

I managed to throw an eye 👁 over a thread here on ATS, concerning predictive programming.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As the talk was going few things were emphasized by posters:
-Clear messages of future events are hidden in plain sight
-Subliminal messages aiming to brainwash people are hidden in plain sight as well
-The people doing it are connected to TPTB

Well, not the first time we see claims like this on ATS. You know, the Babylonian rant and the regular MK Ultra stuff...

However I am not going to debunk or disproof anything, I have a word to say about it:

-about the first point I made: Yes it definitely seems that future events are placed beforehand in modern theater art (TV). Yet we tend to make very fast conclusions, and sometimes the wrong ones. However impossible it might seem, it all might be coincidence. Yes you heard it right - coincidence. Big fat coincidence. A coincidence based on the pure creative imagination of the artist + the overactive imagination of the viewer. Yes, I know we are gonna hate it here on ATS if it's so, because obviously we are all "above" people, but any realistic objective examination of the topic would conclude exactly this.

But if we really are "above" people, we would by default ignore this being true. And this is fine. However, now we must create a scenario in which the future events hidden in TV or comic books make sense. And of course we create one - the most grandiose of all - the ultimate conspiracy one - the bad guys rulers dominating over the world's psyche through predictive programming.

Why we never talk about the less grandiose variants and possibilities? Why we always scream: "Grraaaa, it's atomic war, the soup boiled off, the SHTFan, we are all gonna die down here.., help us god, help us Jesus, Pizza, deva Maria, Moses, aliens, we are all gonna die down here." ... we act like an elephant who have just crossed paths with a mouse ...

Oh, I forgot, of course, because we are the "above" people. We get freaked out by mice. I mean... its understandable - Mice can have bazookas in their pockets, we should not turn our backs at mice. But still... They might not have even an uzzi, they might be just mice.

That said, why not the hidden future events:
-are places there by hostile factions to each other, which analyze each others possible future moves, place them in art, and if the move is executed, go out in alternative media, and start shout LOUD, how dangerous "the other guys" are and how much we should dislike/hate them. Thus sabotaging the other faction power-source, a.k.a. man power.
-or it could be just an allegory made by an artist who is fan of the same genre of expression. Like it is quoted in the shown up thread, "the rebel organization" strikes nuke on US. Come on... every kid above age of 14 can generate that scenario. It's pathetically easy.(I am artist myself, can guarantee how easy is). And about the bible reference... come on... every kid above age of 16 who read the King James bible can do it...
-then... why it could not be even a media hoax. Media makes money from stirring big things and making people talking about it.... Why not take any half evidence and make a big story out of it, then watch how the sheeple run one after another, one after another, in your hoaxed grounds.....

-about the second point I made. It was pointed out numerous times that satanic subliminal messages run around non-stop at TV and art. OM-g. No-brainer statement. Do you know how sacred and holy, even healing are considered 80% of this "subliminal messages" in ALL other religions except Christianity and Islam??! Do you ever spent a dime or a hour reading a book that is written before you were born...? If not, then don't get surprised if your ignorance and laziness hid reality from you, because that's what happens. Sad but true. (and no, I am not supporting Luciferians Satanists and such, which are another bunch of idiots in my opinion).

-about the third point I made. It is popular opinion that TPTB rule the content of TV and such. Well, I agree here, but in overall view, they do not even rule 15% of it. Yes they are not omni-powered terminators, regular artists are still out and strong... And from that 15%, there are at lest three major lines of influences', which pathetically contradict each other to the bone. Orwell will have to wait at least a decade or two...

Oh. Yes. Did somebody said beans?? Beans, Rice, Lucifer, Dreams, Sword. All words. Just words. Can't eat them, can't shelter you. Plainly useless.

Peace. And war, of course...

People have to write essays to pass exams. Ergo people are socialized to take clever sounds words personally.
However to pass the exams they are not taught how to deconstruct ideas as much as they are taught to compare and contrast established positions.

By graduation most students will have a multitude of opinions on subjects they know little to nothing about, before they even developed the ability to form their own opinions naturally. We're being brainwashed.

originally posted by: Argentbenign

...-about the first point I made: Yes it definitely seems that future events are placed beforehand in modern theater art (TV). Yet we tend to make very fast conclusions, and sometimes the wrong ones. However impossible it might seem, it all might be coincidence. Yes you heard it right - coincidence. Big fat coincidence. A coincidence based on the pure creative imagination of the artist + the overactive imagination of the viewer. Yes, I know we are gonna hate it here on ATS if it's so, because obviously we are all "above" people, but any realistic objective examination of the topic would conclude exactly this.

That's not a coincidence it's "timeless communication". There is no such thing as coincidence. And we all live our personal story which contains elements that aren't there from an objective point of view, but are important, sometimes life changing from a subjective point of view.

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-about the second point I made. It was pointed out numerous times that satanic subliminal messages run around non-stop at TV and art. OM-g. No-brainer statement. Do you know how sacred and holy, even healing are considered 80% of this "subliminal messages" in ALL other religions except Christianity and Islam??! Do you ever spent a dime or a hour reading a book that is written before you were born...? If not, then don't get surprised if your ignorance and laziness hid reality from you, because that's what happens. Sad but true. (and no, I am not supporting Luciferians Satanists and such, which are another bunch of idiots in my opinion).

Can you please explain what that's supposed to mean? What subliminal messages are considered holy and healing and where?

-about the third point I made. It is popular opinion that TPTB rule the content of TV and such. Well, I agree here, but in overall view, they do not even rule 15% of it. Yes they are not omni-powered terminators, regular artists are still out and strong... And from that 15%, there are at lest three major lines of influences', which pathetically contradict each other to the bone. Orwell will have to wait at least a decade or two...

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And again could you please explain? What three major lines of influence?
Besides youtube, Spotify, eMule and others have made pretty much every artistic enterprise breadless unless you are signed up with a huge publisher, even books are sold for cents and self published ie next to nobody makes money with it.

See the thing is you project your subjective reality on the world and are just as wrong as SoulSurfer and others including me are.
Fact is everything is "created" or hidden in some art somewhere, in hindsight you'll always find something that looks predictive of event X, but as long as no one is able to say "This show/song/book will become reality on day Y" what is it to you if another sees the works of the devil/tptb/god/... in it?
You are not trying to tell everybody that every other subjective reality but yours is wrong, do you?

a reply to: Peeple Not trying to point where the cheese is hidden, just pointing out few drawbacks of our research methods and pure lack of self-discipline. As a whole.

The three Lines would be:
-Rationalist/military/science
-Holistic/utopian
-Socialistic/humanitarian

There's a lot of money at the stake, if one ideology falls down, the others will profit with immense amounts $$

About the subliminal messages:
-most mentioned hand signs are hindu mudras. Google it for detailed results. This mudras are ancient as social culture itself and far from satanic.
-death and sex was and still is in some parts of the world highly respected religious act. European brainless scholars made out of that a perfect scarecrow for the masses. The respond was satanism, which is the same amount of brainlesness, but reversed.

Yes there is a lot of BS in the art world, but what to do when art became money and had to join the guild of black magic(publicity). Just don't label things that you don't understand, folks. Or tend to fo it on less loud voice. That's all what I am trying to say. ...and, please understand, it's very dangerous to use power-words. Unless you can handle golems...

a reply to: Argentbenign

Your three lines aren't mutually exclusive. It's not all about money.

Take your own advice and don't talk about things you don't understand. Because I get that you feel like you're in some sort of superior position of "knowing" but your subjective reality is as far from the truth as everybody elses.

Power-words? Can handle golems? Wtf dude?

a reply to: Peeple
If I ever talked about things I am not sure, in public, it was done in non-expansive and cautious way. That's what I ask others to consider as well. The fact that my tongue can be sharp is another, non-related topic.


You say the three directions I mention are not excluding...

...well, I agree, it's quite complicated reality, that's why I did not decided to discuss it in detail beforehand. ATS is not the place for such talk, but you asked me, I politely answered. Now you are perplexed. My fault?

I have to be frank, I am not very big on "coincidences." Not saying they don't happen, they do; however, it's a rarity. Typically, if it looks fishy, smells fishy, it's fishy.

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth I can agree. However it's not smart to exclude the possibility and never explore it in details. By itself excluding anything very quickly is a bad idea.

a reply to: Argentbenign

You're contradicting yourself which makes this whole discussion pretty mute.