House passes GOP Health Bill.

a reply to: neo96

Aside from the fact that the "collective right" you speak of comes from people, real people, doctors and nurses going to WORK each day to do their jobs.
Next these people will tell you doctors are only allowed to make x amount of money.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth
I guess, overall, we can all agree that this is a huge win for Trump. After all, 6 weeks ago it was a huge loss when the vote did not get to the floor.

Yeah, it's not good for older Americans or pregnant Americans or Americans who have pre-existing conditions... but for Donald Trump, it is good--- and that's what's always been predicted right? Hiring a billionaire business man as President is only good for the country if you're looking for a leader who's top priority is himself.

Applaud trump and ignore the dying children...

The dying children?
Actually given that the bill also defunds Planned Parenthood, it's great for children.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

How is a 'giant' step backwards ?

The state is already the single largest provider of health insurance in the country.

If anything It's a step in the right direction freeing the state manipulation of CORPORATISM.

We should be moving towards a universal system that takes the insurance companies out of the equation. Take 30%+ of the cost (insurance profit) off the table right off the bat.

No we should NOT.

You only want to cut out the middle man.

And just line Hospital,doctors,nurse,lawyers pockets.

I wonder who they vote for.

This SNIP is as transparent as it gets.

a reply to: DBCowboy


The senate have to pass it first,



I wonder what is in it too.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Aside from this:
"Premiums for the average American will absolutely go down"
every item in my post is fact, not opinion or speculation.

How 'bout them pesky deductibles?

You mean the ones that went up by 10X for many Americans, including myself, on our employer plans since Obamacare was enacted? The deductables that went so high that I basically have to have something catastrophic happen medically before I see any benefit from an insurance plan that just 7 years ago cost me 1/6th as much in premiums yet covered 100% of costs above $500 per year? I'll take my chances with the free market under the new bill, thank you very much. Look, this bill isn't perfect by any stretch. It still has far too much federal meddling, too much in the way of entitlements and socialism, and, frankly, isn't the straightline ACA repeal I was praying for... but it is a series of steps in the positive direction, back towards what this country should be all about.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FauxMulder

If that means no more mandate, then I'll be happy.

That's really all they had to change.

I'll die without insurance.

You'll forgive me if I don't celebrate, right?

Yeah. It's okay. I'm sure there are plenty who might feel the impact. I certainly knew people who were impacted with the advent of Obamacare.

I still hope you recover soon.

I have no shot at recovery if I lose access to the medicine I need to take.

What are the circumstances you have that means you will lose access to your medication?

I've been battling Cancer for over a year now and unable to work. My FMLA has run out, the insurance I had through my job is gone. I still hope to return to work but if this passes the Senate, I won't be able to afford insurance now... and who knows how this will affect states with free health care.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you would rather we just sent uninsured to the hospital emergency rooms, default because they can't pay, forcing the hospital to shoulder the costs, then ultimately shutter their doors all to prevent cleaning this whole mess up with a simple single payer system?

It's not a problem I have ever had to deal with.

Since the age of 16 I had insurance.

Every single job I ever worked I had insurance.

It's never been a problem for me and WAIT FOR IT.

The majority of others.

Until it was a manufactured issue created by the left to create their dream world.

Their perfect little world. Dystopia.

So you are telling me that the only person that matters in the country is you? If you have all you need then # the rest huh?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: neo96

Aside from the fact that the "collective right" you speak of comes from people, real people, doctors and nurses going to WORK each day to do their jobs.
Next these people will tell you doctors are only allowed to make x amount of money.

The new 'fat cat' ceos.

Oh they most certainly will.

a reply to: neo96

Me too from 1969 to 2007. Then my husband got a disease that paralyzed him, in ICU for 3 months then rehab to learn to walk again. Lost his job, lost our insurance, no one would insure him with his disease. I don't see it as a majority issue but a human one.

I am glad the republicans have their name on this 100%.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ya, too bad Obama dropped the ball just creating Government plans when he promised something similar to taking the private sector down.

It's funny how it's easier to remember conservatives broken promises, Democratic ones are just seen as 'failed attempts'. Obamacare without the idea of leading to single payer would ultimately been the joke they all claim it to be financially speaking, supporters of single payer need to be in ultimate bitch mode, I don't think it's quite there. Supporters on the Right of single payer could just hold out to spite Obama.

a reply to: UKTruth

I'm not even sure it counts as a reconciliation bill to achieve that 50 vote threshold. I think it'll need 60 as is.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you are telling me that the only person that matters in the country is you? If you have all you need then # the rest huh?

I thought I made it perfectly clear.

That the purveryors of that single payer bullsnip are gonna have to fight me for their version of perfection.

They are the borg.

Resistance is not futile.

Molon Labe.

MY RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

What dying children that is a hoax been played by Democrats to boycott the bill.

In America children do not go about dying without care.

Is a reason why illegals cross the border into the US to seek mercy care for the sick children.

get the facts straight.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Applaud trump and ignore the dying children...

Appeal to Emotion: a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

en.wikipedia.org...

Do you have anything that's actually tangible and logical to support continuation of the ACA?

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: neo96

Me too from 1969 to 2007. Then my husband got a disease that paralyzed him, in ICU for 3 months then rehab to learn to walk again. Lost his job, lost our insurance, no one would insure him with his disease. I don't see it as a majority issue but a human one.

I am glad the republicans have their name on this 100%.

That is what SSI is for.

Pre-Existing conditions is what the MSM and the left will ride. Pelosi is already out there doing it. Issue is that you were never protected under the ACA.

The insurance company could not deny you health coverage but they could deny treatment. Horrible. The government was not there to protect us. They collected data on W-2's so they could price their plans and if you think they did not collude on what the premiums should be with big pharma you are a special kind of dumb. The ACA guaranteed the healthcare companies they would not go under and billions were paid in subsidies to the healthcare companies for losses when the government should have spent it on the taxpayer and their care.

Looks like Trump just tightened up the Holster on the left....

originally posted by: Mordekaiser
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ya, too bad Obama dropped the ball just creating Government plans when he promised something similar to taking the private sector down.

It's funny how it's easier to remember conservatives broken promises, Democratic ones are just seen as 'failed attempts'. Obamacare without the idea of leading to single payer would ultimately been the joke they all claim it to be financially speaking, supporters of single payer need to be in ultimate bitch mode, I don't think it's quite there. Supporters on the Right of single payer could just hold out to spite Obama.

Politics is the world of here and now. I've already expressed my outrage over Obama's broken promises and have already moved on since he is no longer President. It is time to worry about the people in office NOW who are currently voting on the way you live your lives. Not what people have done in the past.

a reply to: neo96

Yes. You've made it beyond clear to me that you only care about yourself.

a reply to: neo96

Dude the example is fool proof, if you have 2 insurance companies, they now cost 50% less to operate. if you have 3, it's 33.% 4 is 25%, all the while the only thing that changes is MILD price differences for the consumer, and way less payout to specific companies.

It's almost nearly a pyramid scheme in the simple level of deception. If all these companies are owned by the same 'entities' it's pure BS. Edit: Because it would have the flaw of single payer without the benefit.

I didn't like the caca of Obama bill and I am hell bend sure that I will no like this parody of the Caca bill by the Republicans

Why? because as long as the insurance corruption agencies have full control of the health industry we the people will get nothing but crap as usual.