Inside North Korea's Death Camps

originally posted by: crazyewok
I think if Noth Korea is liberated we will find horrors not seen since WW2.

This is one case where we absolutely should bring freedom and democracy. Sadly wars are fought over oil and not for human rights anymore.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Nobody can get close enough to Kim to do him in, except maybe Dennis Rodman.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

"Lim Hye-jin still shivers at the memory of two brothers who managed to escape briefly from her massive concentration camp in the mountains of North Korea. Seven family members were killed on the spot in revenge. Scores more prisoners were savagely beaten as collective punishment for the breakout.

Several weeks later, guards and inmates were ordered to gather as the pair – their bodies battered from torture – were dragged back behind the barbed wire. They had been caught in China and returned to the repressive regime.

'The two brothers were beheaded in front of everyone,' said Lim. 'They called everyone to watch as a warning not to flee. The other prisoners then had to throw stones at them.'

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Let's begin

We were manipulated not to feel any sympathy for prisoners,' she said. 'We were told they had committed terrible crimes. Now I know they were normal people so I feel very guilty.'

Few have escaped these hidden hellholes, modelled on Stalin's gulags and compared to those run by the Nazis. Even children are incarcerated for life, along with parents and grandparents, under rules that punish three generations for perceived dissidence.

Building a dynasty?

Guards, brought up in a system that deifies the Kim dynasty, were given brainwashing sessions twice a week and told not to see prisoners as humans. 'Even if a guard was driving and ran over a child, there would not be real punishment,' she said.

Hell on Earth

One defector told me he was the only one of 5,000 children to escape his camp, which held close to 50,000 people. Many prisoners are stunted and deformed by hunger and back-breaking labour in freezing forests and deep mines. Former inmates told me of living in fear of constant beatings, of injured people dumped to die in the snow, of hundreds sealed beneath ground after mining accidents, of rotting corpses piled beside huts, of catching snakes to survive deadly starvation.

Oh nothing to see here folks

One survivor told me of frequent accidents in quarries and mines as exhausted inmates worked round the clock. 'On one occasion, 300 people lost their lives in a gas explosion. The guards just closed off the tunnels with others trapped inside to stop the fires and gas spreading.'

Yeah..

Lim said male guards abused women in camps by having what they called 'affairs' with them. 'It was basically rape because prisoners did not have the right to say no.'

If women became pregnant, they had to have abortions or were killed by lethal injection, and if pregnancy was too advanced, babies were beaten to death or buried alive.

A scene straight out of a movie we've all seen before

Prisoners work seven days a week, are woken at 5am and spend up to 16 hours slaving away in fields and factories before evening 're-education' sessions at which they might be made to memorise official edicts. Failure means being kept awake all night.

Inhumane Society

Lim said even after death, prisoners were denied humanity. 'All the bodies were piled up to one side. There was no respect, no funeral process. After a week the corpses would be burned.'

Wearing ragged ex-army uniforms and sandals made from tyres, inmates suffer starvation, surviving on meagre rations of corn and salt. Yet anyone caught taking food from fields or orchards faces a lethal beating or being locked in an underground cell too small to stand in.

According to Kang

When I arrived it was like a scene from a horror movie,' said Kang Chol Hwan, sent to Yodok concentration camp aged nine after his grandfather was accused of sedition. 'I once watched a film about Auschwitz and I could relate so much to the situation.' He was always hungry during a decade in the camp. Many inmates die from malnutrition in the first few months. 'We were never given protein so we would catch snakes, rats, even insects.'

According to Jung

Jung Gwang Il spent three years in Yodok after being arrested for alleged spying. He was so badly tortured even before entry he could only crawl in on his hands and knees, having lost half his body weight after months held in stress positions. 'It was a living hell. All the people were suffering from malnutrition. They did not look like human beings,' he said.

I almost excerpted the entire article because every paragraph I read was so harrowing, I felt I needed to highlight it all. This is modern day Nazi Germany, but Trump is Hitler right?
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Just look at all of them thin malnourished faces compared to Kim's fat chubbiness.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Lol good observation. Yea every single one of them have sunken in cheeks.

Kim is eating nice that's for sure.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I think if Noth Korea is liberated we will find horrors not seen since WW2.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: LookingForABetterLife

What the # is it with you stupid Americans and nuking things?

North Korea can be defeated without the use of nukes

How many American's and South Koreans have to die to liberate North Korea and end that dictatorship because no other country aside from Japan is willing to commit to an offensive?

If America is to tackle North Korea alone preemptively... nuclear weapons will be needed to ensure the safety of all countries in the region.

What the # is it with you stupid Britains and your naivete?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Raggedyman

Just preparing the world with this type of journalism
Believe otherwise if you think I am wrong, that's fine

Yes I think your wrong as this journalism is not new!

It has not just appeared.

Testamonies abd evidence has been collected for decaded.

Yeah agree, for a decade or decades
But nobody cared before about the people in NK till Trump started saber rattling

a reply to: SaturnFX

Well maybe my head is buried in the sand, I accept that
So if it's been common knowledge, why hasn't something been done till now
Where is the outrage, why suddenly now is the US so anti NK pro war
What changed suddenly

Yeah I am naive, why has the US government not done anything until now

Why not care before when you knew and suddenly care now, why the change


Your reply makes no sense what so ever Saturn, nonsense

a reply to: Raggedyman

I dont think this article had anything to do with the US, or isthe US planning to do anything about it. This is just a journalist speaking to survivors and ex-gaurds, creating an article.

There is no relation to government or Trump with this article.

I think it's only been brought to the light now because of current events.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Really?

Tackle North Korea conventionally and China at this point will bevalong side helping the US or at least passively watching and Russia will just write a very angry letter to the UN.
You have a bloody war sure but one confined to the Korean peninsula.

If you idiots start setting nukes off next to China how the # do you thing they will respond when fallout starts moving there direction? Same with Russia?
That bloody war now turns in to world war holy # and everyone loses.


Your the naive one here.


The US has enough in its conventional arsenal to do the job.

Hell nukes wouldn't even give that much of a advantage seeing as most the country is rural with nothing centralised to bomb.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

So if it's been common knowledge, why hasn't something been done till now

The sameway nothing was done about the Russian gulags, chairman maos re-education camps, pol pots killing feilds, the Yugoslavian genocide or the Rwandan genocide, or the Sudan genocide........

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Raggedyman

Just preparing the world with this type of journalism
Believe otherwise if you think I am wrong, that's fine

Yes I think your wrong as this journalism is not new!

It has not just appeared.

Testamonies abd evidence has been collected for decaded.

Yeah agree, for a decade or decades
But nobody cared before about the people in NK till Trump started saber rattling

Some people have cared.

I have been bringing this up for years and years only to be told by lefties how North Korea are innocent victims and how its a uptopia that the poor slandered kim dynasty is just trying to hold together.

a reply to: crazyewok

And ignore the question I asked in both replies, why now
Why now?

Because it's not about the people, it's about ...

Whatever

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: crazyewok

And ignore the question I asked in both replies, why now
Why now?

Because it's not about the people, it's about ...

Whatever

What do you mean why now?


I ha e been bringing this up for years!

That sounds like everything I fear from Trump's America /sarcasm

I take this seriously. I take Trump seriously.

I believe that in Asia, Mr. President #1 Best Businessman is very highly regarded. I would say from India Eastward.... the businessman is KING.

Imagine the upside of a NK liberation, as ugly as it might seem...all of the horrors will become open. It could actually help reform in China too.

The downside of Operation Dim Sun is that the military and civilians in the theatre will have to deal with the inevitable "fallout" (is that the right word?) This could also make the future brighter for other strategic issues.

I'm pretty sure something has got to give.

a reply to: crazyewok

Why are they caring about the people now when they never have before
You keep,saying its common knowledge, it isn't

You watch the news escalate this information, see if it becomes more and more in your face

Crazye, I don't think what is happening is about the people, it's about power
Simple

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: SaturnFX

...whats that? Detroit?

No those are "liberated" cities in Iraq.

Yes, war is hell
Bombs tend to explode. sucks, but the rebuild after elevates permanent squalor to modern society.

Incidentally, I was opposed to Iraq..and really anything going on in the middle east. non secular societies need tyrants to control their religious fanaticism

originally posted by: Raggedyman
So if it's been common knowledge, why hasn't something been done till now

Because the argument is that the US is not the world police.
More precisely though, NK has never been a threat to US/allys.
More More precisely: They dont have any resources the west can exploit once free.

What changed suddenly

New president that doesn't want to take #%&% from someone mouthing off and threatening (hollow or not)

Yeah I am naive, why has the US government not done anything until now

Repeat question already answers

Your reply makes no sense what so ever Saturn, nonsense

You are asking why the US doesn't topple every jackass tyrant in power.
That is a less sensible question.

Its high time we had some strength to finish this continued war we are in. (US is still at war with NK since the 50s)
Its a old US / USSR frontline thats been ignored. a soviet installation that needs wiping out. Resources or not, its time to finish what was started in the peninsula and then leave it.

a reply to: SaturnFX

And thats the diffrence. You wont be fighting religious ideology in North Korea.

North Korea is political ideology not religious and Nazi Germany and Imperial japan show its much easier to overcome and beat that ideology once you have beaten there armies. So long as the USA fights to win this time.

The North Korea government treats its people like # but they accept it as they dont know any better, to them there lot in life is normal.
Once the borders and control break down and the propaganda stops it will be easy to show them that the west can and will offer a better life, the first step being to give them food!

I have a feeling after the first couplebof days of bloody fighting the North Korean army will collapse...... just offer thebpoor starving grunts a all you can eat buffet!

a reply to: SaturnFX

No the argument has nothing to do with the US being world police, that's not up
Why are the NK human right violations becoming so important suddenly
Never cared about the people before

Let's not pretend it's about the people, it's a power play

It may well be high time to do something about NK, I am not arguing that, just don't pretend it's about their people

New president, new coal agreement, NK gaining greater weapons, serious threat, I understand the issues
Let's just not pretend it's about NKs population
Nobody cared before or at least did anything about it other than sanctions that caused famines in the country

And NO, I am not asking the US to topple anyone.
Seeing as you are neck deep in this mess, you are NKs enemy you have to sort it out one way or the other
70 year old war, you are not the worlds police, you are the enemy of NK, don't make yourselves out as victims

The US don't do anything for anyone without a kick back, that's history
As like many other countries

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Never cared about the people before
...

Let's not pretend it's about the people,
...

just don't pretend it's about their people

...
Nobody cared before or at least did anything about it other than sanctions that caused famines in the country

This seems more about you and your dismissive-ness of the situation.

What changed?
...
presidents.