Maybe Mexico will actually be paying for the wall after all!

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yes, he was saying that. I know because I was also saying it. Many of us attempted multiple times to people that they were being irrational thinking that Trump had any intention of Mexico writing a check for the wall. All along Trump said the payment would come from Mexico in tariffs, taking the US profits made by illegals, etc. I would say this bill exactly does that.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Right or left these days, it doesn't matter how much evidence or sense it makes, if they are against an idea they will keep their heads in the sand.

Both sides today are insane that their is nothing they seem to agree on.

a reply to: BlueAjah

I love the fact that the bill's acronym spells "elchapo" that is very Cruz-like.

Even I, who didn't vote for Trump (nor Clinton) knew Trump meant Mexico will pay for the wall... in one way or another.

That's how Trump speaks, in fragments and constantly onto the next thing while he is saying two thoughts back.


I voted Johnson, after Cruz was no longer in it.

honestly though, how utterly dense do you have to be to think that a wall is going to fix anything?
it's like putting a very expensive inch long bandaid on a foot long gash...
but actually really the gash is superficial and you're dying of carbon monoxide poisoning
because some idiot built an airtight box around your country to keep the boogeymen out

I have no respect for a man who would lick the Prada slipons of the man who called his wife a whore and his father a murderer and a traitor.

Perhaps others do.

All fine. Three points however.

More guns go from the US to Mexico than the other way around. Not really a problem for us citizens really.

More Mexicans are leaving the use than entering. Bad for us consumers and bad for the economy in a consumer economy.

Americans love drugs. The drugs will still come from other places which will increase import costs and therefore street value. This will cause an increase in both violent and non violent crime.

a reply to: mzinga

Although a Mexican national is(for the sake of argument)paying for it, which is basically Mexico as he would have lived there and done most of his spending there.

yea'maybe' Mexico will pay for the 'wall'...probably maybe


i wish Mexico thought about a wall too circa the early 1800s... or the real Americans back then , -1600s- had better vetting process for immigrants ( or had gun powder )
we wouldn't have this mess today.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kettu
A wall works great at stopping airplanes, boats and tunnels. /s

A wall? It's nothing but an expensive security blanket for terrified Republicans and conservatives. *yawn*

Hey! Don't forget catapults.

I live on the border. I KNOW when BP cracks down on one area - - the cartels/illegals move to a new location.

You know: "Build a 30 foot wall, there'll be a 32 foot ladder".

They've been using speed boats for a while to come in to the coastal areas. They've even used submarines.

Now they're using drones.

Stupid wall.

I love it!

Why have a wall, they'll just get around it.

Why have gun laws? Criminals will still just get guns.

Great logic!

PS ever heard of a cute little group called the Coast Guard?

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kettu
A wall works great at stopping airplanes, boats and tunnels. /s

A wall? It's nothing but an expensive security blanket for terrified Republicans and conservatives. *yawn*

Hey! Don't forget catapults.

I live on the border. I KNOW when BP cracks down on one area - - the cartels/illegals move to a new location.

You know: "Build a 30 foot wall, there'll be a 32 foot ladder".

They've been using speed boats for a while to come in to the coastal areas. They've even used submarines.

Now they're using drones.

Stupid wall.

I love it!

Why have a wall, they'll just get around it.

Why have gun laws? Criminals will still just get guns.

Great logic!

PS ever heard of a cute little group called the Coast Guard?

Hey sport, what percentage of illegals come from Mexico?

What percentage of those come through the southern-US/Mexico border?

What percentage of those come through on land canals or by "walking over the border?"

What percentage of those actually make it?

You should try learning a thing or two before you go shooting your voicebox off about logic.

This wall is one of the most illogical things I've seen proposed, and for numerous reasons.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

sure ya were.........

Whatever.

I'm admittedly a little slow, but believe it or not I am still capable of learning. And I've learned that with some people, facts are irrelevant things meant to be ignored when they become inconvenient.

So believe what you want. I will give a quick answer to your query, just to make sure those pesky facts don't completely disappear.

Where was Cruz caught lying again?

Lie: when his campaign intentionally insinuated to voters via phone that Ben Carson had dropped out of the race.

Hypocrisy: when Cruz got all hot and bothered over a less-than-flattering picture of Heidi, after his PAC put out a pic of Melania trying to paint her as promiscuous.

Those were the two biggies affecting my impression of him.

Now, maybe we can get back on topic instead of you trying to debate my thoughts?

TheRedneck

Sounds like a good bill to me unless they use it to ratchet up the war on drugs here just so the government can seize more assets from US citizens.

originally posted by: RomeByFire
This wall is one of the most illogical things I've seen proposed, and for numerous reasons.

Yeah, chiefly because net immigration across the southern border is 0 and H1B overstays are starting to overtake border crossing as the primary way illegals enter the country.

It's fine though. The OP is still a pipe dream. That wall isn't getting built any time soon, if ever.

The idea of "a wall"
is simply a psychological construct to prop up the fear of Mexicans. Mexicans have become a useful calculated scapegoat for all the problems facing America. Instead of logically looking at the problem, just create a simple solution for the masses to latch on to so they don't have to think outside their 3 min. attention span.

Brilliant mass manipulation in a sleazy kind of way.

I do think that there will be plenty of government contracts available for the wall and some will be funded. And there may even be some prep construction but the wall will get bogged down in legalities and the attorneys will reap the largest benefits.

I have a plan to profit from the early construction phase of the wall and the LLC is already in place.

originally posted by: olaru12
I do think that there will be plenty of government contracts available for the wall and some will be funded. And there may even be some prep construction but the wall will get bogged down in legalities and the attorneys will reap the largest benefits.

One of the biggest issues that no one is talking about is all the eminent domain cases that will have to be undertaken by the federal government. On top of this, support for building the wall drops the further south in the country you travel. So if Trump carries through on this, he will be making QUITE a bit of people living along the border very unhappy due to government overreach.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: olaru12
I do think that there will be plenty of government contracts available for the wall and some will be funded. And there may even be some prep construction but the wall will get bogged down in legalities and the attorneys will reap the largest benefits.

One of the biggest issues that no one is talking about is all the eminent domain cases that will have to be undertaken by the federal government. On top of this, support for building the wall drops the further south in the country you travel. So if Trump carries through on this, he will be making QUITE a bit of people living along the border very unhappy due to government overreach.

It's going to be kickass for all realestate lawyers, paralegals, surveyors, cartographers, anyone involved in community planning, Water rights, .......I have plans to get my slice of the yuggggeeee boondoggle pie.

originally posted by: jjkenobi

I love it!

Why have a wall, they'll just get around it.

Why have gun laws? Criminals will still just get guns.

Great logic!

PS ever heard of a cute little group called the Coast Guard?

Do you live on the border?

Have you followed this subject for years because its in your own "backyard"?

Yes, the Coast Guard - - had to order new, speedier boats to keep up with the illegal boats.

Guess what - - the Cartels have more money then the coast guard and don't follow the rules.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
One of the biggest issues that no one is talking about is all the eminent domain cases that will have to be undertaken by the federal government.

Because it's a non-issue.
Private citizens have been forced to police their own property for years now. If I were in their shoes I would happily loose a small portion of my property to increase the security of the whole. I never thought I'd ever hear a bunch of leftists b****ing about government overreach...

On top of this, support for building the wall drops the further south in the country you travel.

Do you know this personally?
Because my family in Arizona and Texas are saying quite the contrary...

originally posted by: JAY1980
I never thought I'd ever hear a bunch of leftists b****ing about government overreach...

Whereas I expect hypocrisy from right leaning individuals when it comes to government overreach.

originally posted by: JAY1980
Because it's a non-issue.
Private citizens have been forced to police their own property for years now. If I were in their shoes I would happily loose a small portion of my property to increase the security of the whole. I never thought I'd ever hear a bunch of leftists b****ing about government overreach...

Well you AREN'T in their shoes and they don't want the wall, but it's nice to see that you are willing to donate other people's property. I'm sure those people along the border are THRILLED to know this.

Do you know this personally?
Because my family in Arizona and Texas are saying quite the contrary...

Trump says his base ‘really wants’ a border wall. Polls show most Americans don’t.

An April survey by the nonprofit organization found that a majority of Texans, 61 percent, oppose Trump's wall proposal, while 35 percent support it. And although Texans think immigration is the main issue affecting the state, many of them, 62 percent, also say that immigration helps the country more than it hurts it. Also, 62 percent of respondents said they don't want Trump to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. Furthermore, 58 percent said they disapprove of the way the president is handling immigration and border security. Sixty percent say they disapprove of the way congressional Republicans are handling the same issues..

A recent survey by the paper found that not one member of the House or the Senate — Democrat or Republican — has expressed support for Trump's funding request of $1.4 billion to starting building a wall. The Wall Street Journal spoke with nine House members and eight senators representing Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. Most were opposed; others have unanswered questions. A few gave no clear indication of whether they support it.

Other sources:
Majo rity of U.S.-Mexico border residents don't want Donald Trump's wall
Building Trump's wall: For Texans, it's complicated
Not Many People On The Border Really Want Donald Trump’s Wall
People who live near border say Trump’s wall unwelcome