Where Did the Gods Go?

Either way, many religions basically claim, you don't believe in or follow a set of rules and you will be damned to suffer forever, that last part, sounds more like humans than anything else, for fear is the motivator of dictators.

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined


Yup. That's why the "god" YHWH is not the true source or true God. A pure God of love, would never behave in such petty ways, nor be threatened by anything human, nor not human. I also take that belief to all major religions. If it requires "checking" your brain at the door...and blind faith to believe it's true...then it's pretty much BS.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

Either way, many religions basically claim, you don't believe in or follow a set of rules and you will be damned to suffer forever, that last part, sounds more like humans than anything else, for fear is the motivator of dictators.

a reply to: Tranceopticalinclined


Yup. That's why the "god" YHWH is not the true source or true God. A pure God of love, would never behave in such petty ways, nor be threatened by anything human, nor not human.

What makes you think God, if there is one, would be of pure love? There's lots of evil in the world, maybe that is just a reflection of God? Capable of great love, but also great hate. I don't see why a creator of the universe couldn't be a real dickhead at times?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: chr0naut
Where do atom particles go when they are collided causing massive vibrations upon themselves?

Or do you feel that when particles collide no vibration process occurs?

Well, firstly they scatter out into the universe, interacting invisibly forever.

Also since the Schroedinger Equation describes a wave function you could be excused for thinking that it is a vibration however the wave function defines a probability distribution, not a spatial wave.

At the scale of quantum particles, I doubt that there is enough room above the Planck length for a true wave to exist.

a reply to: chr0naut
Interacting invisibly for ever. Interesting. Also what causes waves?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: chr0naut
Interacting invisibly for ever. Interesting. Also what causes waves?

That's what "cannot be created or destroyed but can only change form" means.

Also, all sorts of things can create waves.

What type of wave and in what media?

What does everyone make of Aleister Crowley?

and better yet, ... what does everyone think of the story of King Solomon?

and is ANYONE familiar with the demiurge, Yaltabaoth and the stories of demons/angels teaching mankind.


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Don't forget to STAR & FLAG if you found this topic interesting at all.

In other words, who's familiar with contacting familiars or demons and IF anyone IS familiar with that, are they also AT the same time familiar with the story of Yaltabaoth (sometimes Yaldabaoth) ...

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
In my opinion, the Ancient Aliens theory makes the most sense.

Nope. As an explanation of origins (for example) AA doesn't explain anything, because the issue of how the aliens originated is unresolved. It just defers the question of first cause. Same thing for polytheism, too.

Makes the connection as to why many if not all religions borrows bits if not are many parts the same thing called a different name.

As we have no examples of religions of any species other than our own, perhaps that is the source of the similarity?

Explains why there was conflicts with segments of each other religion that basically are factions fighting each other.

Doesn't do that either. Surely similarity would be unifying.

Explains why for the overall concept, many religions operate like a cargo cult.

Because there were appearances and artefacts? When you say that religions operate like a cargo cult, what do you mean?

In Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Islam, God is invisible. Are you suggesting that their founders saw something and then described it as invisible?

I'm also on the fence with the Ancient Aliens theory and a group of humans who figured out how to control mass amounts of other humans.

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Either way, many religions basically claim, you don't believe in or follow a set of rules and you will be damned to suffer forever, that last part, sounds more like humans than anything else, for fear is the motivator of dictators.

No, not all religions believe that you must follow a set of rules or suffer. There are many religions that hold that it is a fact of nature that suffering exists, and that by following a spiritual path, one may ascend beyond it.

Fear is a poor motivator of faith for most humans. Do you fear some spiritual doom that motivates you to faith? I don't and I don't think that, as an argument, it has any real validity.

There are those who would blow themselves up for 'religious' reasons. They obviously aren't motivated by fear.

No, not all religions believe that you must follow a set of rules or suffer. There are many religions that hold that it is a fact of nature that suffering exists, and that by following a spiritual path, one may ascend beyond it.

That's just downright dumb. The ONLY thing in this world that teaches you have to follow a set of rules or suffer...IS RELIGION, or have you not read your own book of truth??
Oh, and why we're at it, WHY does suffering exist at all?
I spent today helping someone who was homeless, thirsty, hungry, exhausted beyond words, and an addict.
He showed up at a church I work at on Tuesdays. I do not in any way agree with Christianity anymore, but my boys still take classes there, since they are also homeschooled.

Anyway, he was just there in the foyer, after I'd cleaned upstairs. I spent the next 45 minutes talking to him (while he was crying his eyes out). I fed him, gave him some Gatorade, and then asked the youth pastor of "said church" to figure out what we could do to help him. Oh, and this youth pastor had been "delivered" of drugs not too many years back.
Do you want to know what he and every other "churchy" person did?? Give him a pat on the back, tell him Jesus loves him and god has a better plan for his life.
Talk about complete and total bull#e.
NOT ONE man there offered to take him in.
THAT'S why people say Christians are full of hypocrisy. That's why that religion is stagnant and repugnant.

Fear is a poor motivator of faith for most humans. Do you fear some spiritual doom that motivates you to faith? I don't and I don't think that, as an argument, it has any real validity.

Fear is EXACTLY why most "Christians" act the way they do. They are afraid of what others will think of them, they are afraid of exploring other things, lest they be "deceived" and they are afraid of getting out of the damn box to help someone who doesn't "fit in" their box.
Oh, and they ARE afraid of hell and not being acceptable to "god"....which is directly related to the above.

There are those who would blow themselves up for 'religious' reasons. They obviously aren't motivated by fear.

I don't agree with people "blowing themselves up" for anything. But, many Christians aren't any better.

Oh here, "the power of life and death are in the tongue"....Proverbs 18:21

You can kill people with just words....you don't even need bombs.

So, what does that mean to "believers" who tear each other up over a "book" that causes them to do so??

a reply to: chr0naut
Following the big bang theory why is it hard to believe vibrations are a part of this universe if basically vibrations play a large part in the formation of objects within this universe?
Perceptions

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Tranceopticalinclined
In my opinion, the Ancient Aliens theory makes the most sense.

Nope. As an explanation of origins (for example) AA doesn't explain anything, because the issue of how the aliens originated is unresolved. It just defers the question of first cause. Same thing for polytheism, too.

Makes the connection as to why many if not all religions borrows bits if not are many parts the same thing called a different name.

As we have no examples of religions of any species other than our own, perhaps that is the source of the similarity?

Explains why there was conflicts with segments of each other religion that basically are factions fighting each other.

Doesn't do that either. Surely similarity would be unifying.

Explains why for the overall concept, many religions operate like a cargo cult.

Because there were appearances and artefacts? When you say that religions operate like a cargo cult, what do you mean?

In Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Islam, God is invisible. Are you suggesting that their founders saw something and then described it as invisible?

I'm also on the fence with the Ancient Aliens theory and a group of humans who figured out how to control mass amounts of other humans.

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Either way, many religions basically claim, you don't believe in or follow a set of rules and you will be damned to suffer forever, that last part, sounds more like humans than anything else, for fear is the motivator of dictators.

No, not all religions believe that you must follow a set of rules or suffer. There are many religions that hold that it is a fact of nature that suffering exists, and that by following a spiritual path, one may ascend beyond it.

Fear is a poor motivator of faith for most humans. Do you fear some spiritual doom that motivates you to faith? I don't and I don't think that, as an argument, it has any real validity.

There are those who would blow themselves up for 'religious' reasons. They obviously aren't motivated by fear.

No, not all religions believe that you must follow a set of rules or suffer. There are many religions that hold that it is a fact of nature that suffering exists, and that by following a spiritual path, one may ascend beyond it.

That's just downright dumb. The ONLY thing in this world that teaches you have to follow a set of rules or suffer...IS RELIGION, or have you not read your own book of truth??

So, the road rules are religious?

Or that one where you mustn't stick metal cutlery into a power socket. That's religious too.

Or that you shouldn't murder or hurt people (because of retribution). That's religious.

I'm not denying that there are rules in religion, but rules of living existed before anything was ever written down and before the first religious idea sparked in the human mind.

And suffering also existed before religion, the facts are so rational and simple, they aren't deniable.

Oh, and why we're at it, WHY does suffering exist at all?

According to some philosophies, suffering exists because there is a vast array of conflicting forces and almost endless variety of possible situations created by the application of those forces. The creation of variety means that not all possible actions are benign.

This is not to say that suffering is necessarily a bad thing. Take for instance if everyone was in a comatose state or dead, there's no suffering there. And birth, that's not painless but is the very source of life.

Hard as it is, suffering is just a state required by nature to shape change.

Survival of the fittest also implies non-survival of the unfit. Suffering goes hand in hand with why we would move towards something better. If life was some sort of soporific cotton wool nothingness, noting would happen, nothing would change.

I spent today helping someone who was homeless, thirsty, hungry, exhausted beyond words, and an addict.
He showed up at a church I work at on Tuesdays. I do not in any way agree with Christianity anymore, but my boys still take classes there, since they are also homeschooled.

Anyway, he was just there in the foyer, after I'd cleaned upstairs. I spent the next 45 minutes talking to him (while he was crying his eyes out). I fed him, gave him some Gatorade, and then asked the youth pastor of "said church" to figure out what we could do to help him. Oh, and this youth pastor had been "delivered" of drugs not too many years back.
Do you want to know what he and every other "churchy" person did?? Give him a pat on the back, tell him Jesus loves him and god has a better plan for his life.
Talk about complete and total bull#e.
NOT ONE man there offered to take him in.
THAT'S why people say Christians are full of hypocrisy. That's why that religion is stagnant and repugnant.

I totally agree with you there.

In the Bible it warns against hypocrisy:

If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead. - James 2:16-17.

Fear is a poor motivator of faith for most humans. Do you fear some spiritual doom that motivates you to faith? I don't and I don't think that, as an argument, it has any real validity.

Fear is EXACTLY why most "Christians" act the way they do. They are afraid of what others will think of them, they are afraid of exploring other things, lest they be "deceived" and they are afraid of getting out of the damn box to help someone who doesn't "fit in" their box.
Oh, and they ARE afraid of hell and not being acceptable to "god"....which is directly related to the above.

There are those who would blow themselves up for 'religious' reasons. They obviously aren't motivated by fear.

I don't agree with people "blowing themselves up" for anything. But, many Christians aren't any better.

Oh here, "the power of life and death are in the tongue"....Proverbs 18:21

You can kill people with just words....you don't even need bombs.

So, what does that mean to "believers" who tear each other up over a "book" that causes them to do so??

Does the book cause them to do these things or does it document the evil already within people (and say stop it, it's wrong)?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: chr0naut
Following the big bang theory why is it hard to believe vibrations are a part of this universe if basically vibrations play a large part in the formation of objects within this universe?
Perceptions

Undoubtedly, vibration is part of this universe. I'm not denying that.

Its just that vibrating something doesn't put stuff into another universe. We know what it does and so incorrectly applied terminology isn't helpful, no matter how many times the nonsense is repeated.

To breach into another realm requires enormous energies, such energies disrupt space-time, probably like those within fast spinning black holes.

It's my belief that psychedelics / entheogens allow us to contact non-physical beings and intelligences which is why they've been deemed illegal or taboo by world religions and governments (mind control).

I share that belief for some religions but not all.

in the religious model, the "Gods" were trapped here with us and we knew how to use entheogens to communicate with them. in the heliocentric model, they could have flown away, or "left" the ball earth and we could be told anything under the framework of religion to explain the experiences we have using entheogens.

The Gods never existed in our material world. They existed in different realms of the spiritual world. So prophets, oracles or shaman can still communicate with them today. However many of the souls pretend to be what they are not, so communication with them is fraught with peril.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

Looking for outward gods is the path of the exoteric,
while the esoteric was prescribed by Jesus:

"The Kingdom of God comes not with observation:
Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there!
For, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
- Luke 17:20-21

The Kingdom of God refers to the rule of God. Like a king has a kingdom (an area in which the king rules).

Although we are no longer ruled by royalty, the meaning of what Jesus said is quite clear and obvious; both to His original audience, and to us, today.

God, in Christianity is external and 'other' to us. Jesus was not saying you will find God by being introspective. He was saying that God's rule is internal to us and not external.

Hello my Brother chr0naut.

There is nothing wrong with your opinion and interpretation, for each being different, there are countless denominations, sects, churches, and interpretations based upon the Hebrew religion and teachings of Jesus.

I accept your opinion as valid, however, my subjective interpretation more aligns to my personal view of God and His Kingdom being within us.


• In John 10:30, Jesus says that he is one with the Father:
"I and my Father are one."


• John 17:20-21, speaks of the unity and oneness of devotees, of Jesus with God, and all being within:
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me."


• When considering that Jesus is within God and that God is within Jesus, in John 14:20, Jesus plainly tells us:
"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you."


• Additionally, as God is Light (1 John 1:5), Jesus taught that we have this Light within us and should radiate it outwardly (Matthew 5:16):
- "God is Light; in Him there is no darkness at all."
- "Let your Light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in Heaven."



This is my Biblical argument for God being within us. I am well aware that you could quote many verses supporting your view, so I must accept your view as a valid and appropriate for you, with my view being appropriate for me. May Peace be with you!

I think you're getting information from some generalized sites that are leading you in some wrong directions.

originally posted by: PuRe EnErGy
Every single religion, even historical documents of a non-religious nature detail stories of fantastical beings, benevolent beings, fairies, lizard people, angels and demons.

While generally true, you're missing some things:
* we only have written documents. If they couldn't write, we can't say precisely WHAT they meant.
* the entities are very different... the 'spirits' of Ancient Egypt (which I know most about) are very different types than the Native American ones - not just physically but in their powers, in the way they behave, and how they interact with humans.
* people weren't just mass-seeded on Earth, and because our heritage (homo erectus, Anthropithecus, etc) includes humans who thought and created, our ability to believe in things may stretch back quite a distance.
* over time, beliefs change radically (if you study Bible scholarship in detail (not the "shows up on websites" bits but "go to the scholarly journals", this is pretty obvious.)

Where did they go?
Did they build the ancient artifacts scattered around the world?

It wasn't clear if you meant people or the 'beings' but I'll assume you mean 'beings'. And the 'ancient artifacts' you are talking about probably aren't ones I'd talk about - but I will bet that yours were built over a span of 10,000 years and that some of the 'artifacts' are less than 2,000 years old (so were made during the time when there were lots of people around who wrote and observed in many languages.)

It's my belief that psychedelics / entheogens allow us to contact non-physical beings and intelligences which is why they've been deemed illegal or taboo by world religions and governments (mind control).

As demonstrated many times (including at modern dances) you don't need drugs. You can do it with dancing and drumming or even certain types of prayer. Hallucinogens are not universally banned, by the way.

I also believe that the framework for world religions were built using entheogens and that we can find the origin of all world religions in the use of some kind of substance.

Religions come from belief systems and believing that a river is a lifegiving deity who brings gifts of rich soil and cleanses the land doesn't require any drug... just eyes and experience farming.

There's lots of stories of how annoyed these "Gods" were with humanity, although I'm almost 100% positive that there were some humans these Gods worked with and had favor with.

Those stories vary from area to area - What we know of the Norse Gods, for instance, doesn't show them working with humans (though Thor took along one with him (who turned out to be superhuman) on one trip. The Norse Gods could be called on to help humans deal vengeance and help them with positive activities (bless with wealth, help with childbirth, etc) - that's really more typical of the interactions of deities and spirits with humans. In a few cases you do have divine teachers but they seldom have just one student.

in the religious model, the "Gods" were trapped here with us and we knew how to use entheogens to communicate with them.
in the heliocentric model, they could have flown away, or "left" the ball earth and we could be told anything under the framework of religion to explain the experiences we have using entheogens.

...this doesn't make sense to me, I'm afraid.

If demons and angels, ancient Gods ACTUALLY exist/ed ... Where did they go?
in the book of Enoch is says they were locked up (in the south) interestingly enough which fits the oddities of Flat Earth.

They didn't go anywhere... belief faded after another culture dominated them. Deities become mixed into the new system (some drop out, some become combined with others ... and this forms some really odd combinations.) In most cases, religions add new deities and "powers" (angels/spirits/etc.)

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

I spent today helping someone who was homeless, thirsty, hungry, exhausted beyond words, and an addict.
He showed up at a church I work at on Tuesdays. I do not in any way agree with Christianity anymore, but my boys still take classes there, since they are also homeschooled.

Anyway, he was just there in the foyer, after I'd cleaned upstairs. I spent the next 45 minutes talking to him (while he was crying his eyes out). I fed him, gave him some Gatorade, and then asked the youth pastor of "said church" to figure out what we could do to help him. Oh, and this youth pastor had been "delivered" of drugs not too many years back.
Do you want to know what he and every other "churchy" person did?? Give him a pat on the back, tell him Jesus loves him and god has a better plan for his life.

Bravo for you and your kind and charitable heart. I've seen the same thing happen many times. Not universally, but far too many times.

a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

It is my opinion that "gods" are the outcome of stories that were told about the sun, moon and stars...their position in the sky was vital to knowing when to plant, when to store and when to hunker down. These stories became legend and myth and gods. (It's no secret that the christian god is a solar god...complete with death and resurrection.)

So where did the gods go? Hopefully they and the rest of their mythos go away forever.

originally posted by: Byrd
I think you're getting information from some generalized sites that are leading you in some wrong directions.

originally posted by: PuRe EnErGy
Every single religion, even historical documents of a non-religious nature detail stories of fantastical beings, benevolent beings, fairies, lizard people, angels and demons.

While generally true, you're missing some things:
* we only have written documents. If they couldn't write, we can't say precisely WHAT they meant.
* the entities are very different... the 'spirits' of Ancient Egypt (which I know most about) are very different types than the Native American ones - not just physically but in their powers, in the way they behave, and how they interact with humans.
* people weren't just mass-seeded on Earth, and because our heritage (homo erectus, Anthropithecus, etc) includes humans who thought and created, our ability to believe in things may stretch back quite a distance.
* over time, beliefs change radically (if you study Bible scholarship in detail (not the "shows up on websites" bits but "go to the scholarly journals", this is pretty obvious.)

All excellent points Byrd.
*Even *if* they wrote it down we can't say precisely what they meant either.
Although we do have cave paintings, oral traditions and stories, artifacts, songs, breathing exercises, yogic traditions, dancing and drumming. In almost all traditions worldwide we are told we were taught these things by "Gods" or "Spirits" etc. in combination with either entheogens, yoga, breathing, etc.

*I agree, they are all very diverse but this negates nothing because we're told these "entities" can appear in any form and have tremendous powers of deception.

*The only thing we can do is speculate as to how we 'arrived' or 'sprouted' up on this plane(t) I don't put much faith in our scientific understanding of 'evolution' or our connections to (homo erectus, Anthropithecus, etc)

*and I'm well aware of the changes in our perception and how our beliefs have been 'shaped' and crafted. While this could be a natural phenomenon, it could also be the product of population control, or the conspiratorial influence of secret societies hidden hand guiding mankind according to their esoteric agenda.

Where did they go?
Did they build the ancient artifacts scattered around the world?

It wasn't clear if you meant people or the 'beings' but I'll assume you mean 'beings'. And the 'ancient artifacts' you are talking about probably aren't ones I'd talk about - but I will bet that yours were built over a span of 10,000 years and that some of the 'artifacts' are less than 2,000 years old (so were made during the time when there were lots of people around who wrote and observed in many languages.)

I did mean the beings; my contention is that we are merely speculating when and how these were created; but we do have fantastical records of 'demons' being forced to create, and other records of 'star people' responsible for either creating or helping to create the very artifacts we still speculate about, because we simply do not believe demons/spirits or whatever exist or had any hand in it. Instead of trying to understand, we dismiss.

It's my belief that psychedelics / entheogens allow us to contact non-physical beings and intelligences which is why they've been deemed illegal or taboo by world religions and governments (mind control).

As demonstrated many times (including at modern dances) you don't need drugs. You can do it with dancing and drumming or even certain types of prayer. Hallucinogens are not universally banned, by the way.

I'm well aware of this Byrd, I do think I mentioned yoga previously, regardless once again my contention is that our perceptions of these activities or methods has been altered in such a way we do not truly benefit from their use; whether it's yoga, prayer, fasting, breathing, entheogens, drumming, chanting.

and I do know that hallucinogens are not universally banned, there are many jungle trips people can take and many hallucinogens are legal due to their unpleasant effects (Salvia Divinorum comes to mind) but if you're told that the hallucinations are products of imagination or some such nonsense instead of told about their true nature and mechanism then you won't truly benefit from the experience. Especially when guided by those who are purposely trying to hide certain facets of the experience for their own benefits of control or manipulation.

a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

they are possessing people.

You will see them soon and follow them because they are coming to a war theater near you.

a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

and is ANYONE familiar with the demiurge, Yaltabaoth and the stories of demons/angels teaching mankind.

Yes...and the demiurge goes by many names (Yahweh being one). I've been studying that myself for awhile now. Do you listen to David Icke? I really like him.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

and is ANYONE familiar with the demiurge, Yaltabaoth and the stories of demons/angels teaching mankind.

Yes...and the demiurge goes by many names (Yahweh being one). I've been studying that myself for awhile now. Do you listen to David Icke? I really like him.

I have in the past; although from my own research I find many issues with the 'mainstream' understanding proposed by people like David Icke, Zecharia Sitchin, Rob Skiba etc.

I think one the biggest issue facing humanity is perception. Things like public relations (PR), political correctness, perception management, mass population control within the framework of belief manufacturing. Persuasion Engineering, Hypnosis, Neuro-Linguistic Programming. A lot of effort is put into managing peoples thoughts and feelings towards certain things and "Hollywood" is front and center promoting certain agendas based on the thoughts and feelings of those with the power to tell certain stories.

originally posted by: Sahabi

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

Looking for outward gods is the path of the exoteric,
while the esoteric was prescribed by Jesus:

"The Kingdom of God comes not with observation:
Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there!
For, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."
- Luke 17:20-21

The Kingdom of God refers to the rule of God. Like a king has a kingdom (an area in which the king rules).

Although we are no longer ruled by royalty, the meaning of what Jesus said is quite clear and obvious; both to His original audience, and to us, today.

God, in Christianity is external and 'other' to us. Jesus was not saying you will find God by being introspective. He was saying that God's rule is internal to us and not external.

Hello my Brother chr0naut.

There is nothing wrong with your opinion and interpretation, for each being different, there are countless denominations, sects, churches, and interpretations based upon the Hebrew religion and teachings of Jesus.

I accept your opinion as valid, however, my subjective interpretation more aligns to my personal view of God and His Kingdom being within us.


• In John 10:30, Jesus says that he is one with the Father:
"I and my Father are one."


• John 17:20-21, speaks of the unity and oneness of devotees, of Jesus with God, and all being within:
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me."


• When considering that Jesus is within God and that God is within Jesus, in John 14:20, Jesus plainly tells us:
"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you."


• Additionally, as God is Light (1 John 1:5), Jesus taught that we have this Light within us and should radiate it outwardly (Matthew 5:16):
- "God is Light; in Him there is no darkness at all."
- "Let your Light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in Heaven."

 

This is my Biblical argument for God being within us. I am well aware that you could quote many verses supporting your view, so I must accept your view as a valid and appropriate for you, with my view being appropriate for me. May Peace be with you!

Hi there,

I'm not exactly sure that I disagree with you but I was hoping to to say (rather ineptly, it would seem) that having the kingdom of Got apparent as an internal truth does not imply that you (or I, or anyone else) are God (or a 'part of God" as some may wish to believe, to dilute the offense).

We and God are separate. We may be a simulation within the mind of God and owe our every moment and expression to God but we definitely have our own individuality. This is the greatness of God, in that we can have individuality, that we aren't drones controlled by the greater and by the source.

So the indicators of God's supremacy in our life are internal to us. The fullness of God is beyond us.