Damned if we do, Damned if we do not. The Korean Situation.

originally posted by: NerdGoddess
I guess one of my many concerns is, what happens if the USA does something, and as a result NK does strike Seoul? Would we be blamed for the casualties and suffering? I don't want to have that guilt on my conscious as an American, especially one who is in love with Korean music, language, and culture, both old new and pop. Then the flip side, what if we don't, and we are still blamed for doing nothing?

I suppose all I can do is speculate until the people in charge make a move.

-Alee

Yeah if the pressure goes south mIllions die and millions of others probably from chemical and radiation poisoning after the initial battles. So it's not an easy choice.

Something tells me Lil Kim doesn't follow normal rules of engagement

originally posted by: NerdGoddess
I guess one of my many concerns is, what happens if the USA does something, and as a result NK does strike Seoul? Would we be blamed for the casualties and suffering? I don't want to have that guilt on my conscious as an American, especially one who is in love with Korean music, language, and culture, both old new and pop. Then the flip side, what if we don't, and we are still blamed for doing nothing?

I suppose all I can do is speculate until the people in charge make a move.

-Alee

And there's the rub. What's to say if we wait, and they do end up getting their nuclear missle working. Then the deaths and irradiated areas are on our conscious.

And don't think I don't take the WMDs of Iraq into consideration when pondering this idea... Iraq was a different situation entirely. There is footage leading up to the invasion of UN inspectors saying the warehouses and supplies and any/all capabilities were null and dead.

In this situation, Korea is continually advancing their plans, launching missiles to perfect the ability to deliver, and currently working on miniaturizing the nuke (which means they already have one they could use in ways different than a missile delivery system)

a reply to: Iconic

It depends. Do they have a way of gathering intel?

Did they send parts that are faulty or can be controlled to nk?

Are there viruses in place? Spies? Assets?

This stuff is not really simple just bring the bombers kind of stuff.

a reply to: jafo1973

If they are that volatile than why sit on our hands, and give them the power to hold their neighbors hostage?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Iconic

It depends. Do they have a way of gathering intel?

Did they send parts that are faulty or can be controlled to nk?

Are there viruses in place? Spies? Assets?

This stuff is not really simple just bring the bombers kind of stuff.

We can only hope that the only foreigners on the ground when things go tits up, are reporters from VICE.

Nah, I'm just kidding..

a reply to: Iconic

I imagine a coup or poisoning is the preferred method. Those things take time to position assets for a strategic plan.

If there is immediate threat that all changes.

Your either a hero or an idiot depwnding on what unfolds. It's hard to tell before it happens. 20 million die and we loose the second Korean War would be a terrible outcome. Getting rid of this loose cannon would be great, though I assume we would be on to the next one.

a reply to: Iconic

Salon really would be nice. Alex Jones too while we are at it.

a reply to: luthier

The first korean war never ended.. we're on a cease fire agreement as it stands now...

That being said, fat boy has grown up in a world where trusting the capitalist pigs is an idea that is never going to happen. He's grown up in a constant state of a stalemated war.

I'm against pre-emptive striking NK. But I would love to see an "iron dome" of sorts put around North Korea that would immediately shoot down anything he launched.

a reply to: jjkenobi

If a nuclear warhead was shot down, would there still be ionizing radiation?


anyways- an artillery barrage would still make it through, and so would airplanes. So we'd still always be looking over the proverbial shoulder

a reply to: Iconic

Oh I agree. He has to go. But for the US to be pushed back in Korea is a loss. No way to shake it.

I think the plan is always embed assets. Try and make a coup or uprising rather than invasion.

We are just as spread out in this new world order as the old one so, the other players who want us to fail will covertly stress our military in other theaters as well by funding "terrorists" and having their versions of green beret train pissed of villagers and pay mercenaries..

War is very tricky stuff. Lots of cause and effect relationships are hidden until it starts.

a reply to: luthier

Agreed! Very tricky stuff indeed. For every action in War, there are thousands of respective effects.

A coup would indeed work... If we had started it a decade ago, sadly. Coups take a very long time to get going, with the training, and psychological means necessary.

a reply to: Iconic

I would assume we have many assets in place.

The problem would be keeping the mind in that place.

This very push by trump could be the start of the process for all we know. He is activating the plan. They are applying pressure to create emotion to set the coup groundwork.

It's hard to know unless your at the very top, and I am quite sure most people don't even know who that or they is. I sure don't. Trump would be looking at available options the military current has including any asset operations like poisoning.

If the guy is ready to pop off well you have to act. Which they also have a plan for.

Honestly this is the single thing I can't fault trump for ... it's a ....show.

a reply to: luthier

Well,


The CIA has a heartattack gun...

a reply to: Iconic

That being said, fat boy has grown up in a world where trusting the capitalist pigs is an idea that is never going to happen. He's grown up in a constant state of a stalemated war.

While his daddy was busy fighting the ' stalemated' wars, little Kim was having at it at his private school in Switzerland. He was caught with magazines about bondage and American basketball was among his most favorite sports to watch, no surprise he invited Dennis Rodman to come visit NK. It was never confirmed officially but there are many witnesses.

source

a reply to: Dimens

Dennis Rodman is an idiot, and a sellout to accept the fame he has in NK. He is paraded around and lauded over, at the expense of many. He just enjoys being relevant again.

Hope hes there when it gets dicey, too.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
I'm against pre-emptive striking NK. But I would love to see an "iron dome" of sorts put around North Korea that would immediately shoot down anything he launched.

And what do we do when he soon successfully can arm his subs with nuclear missiles?

The fat little fellow is working hard on those. Appeasement and a little more time will only give him the time he needs to perfect that technology.

originally posted by: Iconic
a reply to: luthier

Well,


The CIA has a heartattack gun...

When they start saying " nothing is off the table" it includes assassination.


Personally I am hoping it's some kind of space laser that erases him off his podium the next time he says he is going to attack the US.

It would probably also sit China and Russia down.

a reply to: Iconic

Again,..was Dennis an asset or an idiot. We surely wouldn't know.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Iconic
a reply to: luthier

Well,


The CIA has a heartattack gun...

When they start saying " nothing is off the table" it includes assassination.


Personally I am hoping it's some kind of space laser that erases him off his podium the next time he says he is going to attack the US.

It would probably also sit China and Russia down.

I have to admit, that made me actually laugh. Live footage of the angry child at his podium having a temper tantrum, and BZZZTTT

meanwhile, in the kremlin, the sound of a collective pants sh*ing can be heard/smelt

China makes moves to prop up the USD