Nuclear War or Change Your Religion: Pick.

Theoretically, if you could look into the future and see that nuclear war was not avoidable except that each person on earth merge with their worst enemy, spiritually speaking, would you be willing to change your religion or your core beliefs?

For example, if you are a Catholic, would you be willing to trade, one-for-one, on partiular beliefs with your enemy, the Protestants? The Protestants will allow you to have confession, but you have to give them marriage of priests and so forth until an agreement is reached on each issue.

If you are just a non-denominational believer in Christ, would you be willing to accept some of your enemy, the Muslim? Would you allow that Muhammed was a prophet equal to Jesus and also Like-God? Would you, the Islamist, accept Isas' message of peace and love to be the ultimate message from Allah?

If nationalism is your god, would you be willing to mix with the nation most unknown and feared? Would you allow the purity of the nationalistic faith to be tainted by socialism absorbing capitalism? How about you bolsheviks, will you accept the superior workmanship which capitalism produces?

If race is your god, would you allow the weak to contribute? Would you grant that those in non-favored bloodlines can also make magnificent contributions to mankind?

You atheist, would you be willing to allow that god exists? You believer, would you allow the atheist to explore his isolation free from your god's rules?

Would you be willing to absorb the parts of your enemies' religion/belief-system in order to avoid nuclear war? I am curious.

I think I would rather die then take on beliefs that I myself do not believe in. I wouldnt convert or change the way I feel to save my life.

If its just about letting others make their own contributions then sure dont force your beliefs on me and I wont force mine on you.

IF nuclear war was not avoidable unless we all had to change our core beliefs perhaps it will be doing the universe a favor.

Let's play Global Thermonuclear War!

Might as well do it. A whole lot of good beliefs do you when you're dead.

thats it though, people would 'say' they changed their beliefs to stay alive but the underlying fact is they did it as a matter of survival, they dont really believe.

Originally posted by rustiswordz
thats it though, people would 'say' they changed their beliefs to stay alive but the underlying fact is they did it as a matter of survival, they dont really believe.

Well, yeah. Every example given was whether you would allow other beliefs to exist in your life, not that you would actually agree with them.

Launch them nukes baby! Id never change my religion to spare anyone on Earth! Itd be much more exciting to see the nukes flying even if I did die cause then Id just go to Heaven. lol

What are beliefs? They are nothing more than a set of thoughts that one is conditioned with and also change throughout life. The world is far more precious than a set of thoughts. However, if I was asked to take someones life to save my own, then I would not. That is not belief; that is just morals. If I was asked to give up my freedom to save my life, then I would not. That is not belief; that is a right.

There are some things you know and somethings you believe in. What you know is truth, and no matter what, always fight for the truth.

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Originally posted by CmptrN3rd5
Launch them nukes baby! Id never change my religion to spare anyone on Earth! Itd be much more exciting to see the nukes flying even if I did die cause then Id just go to Heaven. lol

This sort of stupidity should get a Darwin award if that were possible.
How exciting would it be to see nukes flying into your city? Silly child!

The original question:
(A) I am already happy to live and let live regards folks religious beleifs,
religion is no excuse for nuclear or any lesser war, it has caused enough hatred, bloodshed and war over the centuries as Is.
This kind of hypothetical question is pointless imo. It will do nothing but stir the embers, and is simply so far from any vaguely realistic scenario as to mean nothing. What is the aim of this thread exactly?
Its not logical spock !

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Most including myself may change belifes on the surface, but belifes are like drug addictions. They can free your mind, or ruin your life, but you have to want to change.
Unless thought-crime becomes reality then such a situation would be a farse, and nuclear war is enevitable.

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I'm not trying to be facetious here, but I do believe the point is clear:

If the Christian will never allow Muhammed to be equal to Jesus or like God, then there can be nothing except war about the issue.

If the Atheist will never accept that intelligent design could be possible, he will see the God-lovers as an irrational obstacle that must be removed.

If the American (capitalist) will never allow his economic-religion to be tainted by the Chinese (socialist) then destruction will be the only option.

If the racist will never merge with his hated race or allow others to do so, destruction is the only option.

Logic dictates that if these issues cannot be agreed upon, then nuclear war is in humanity's future.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
would you be willing to change your religion or your core beliefs?

Why? You just said that they are your worst enemy, in this hypothetical situation. What swould be the sense of 'merging' with your worst enemy? THey wouldn't be you enemy

For example, if you are a Catholic, would you be willing to trade, one-for-one, on partiular beliefs with your enemy, the Protestants?

The protestants however are not the 'enemies' of the catholics. Similiarly the muslims are not the enemy of the jews.
You are presenting a hypothetical situation, in which made up religion A has an anti-religion B, and that they can't coexist. But in reality, multiple religions can co-exist, so the hypothetical situation is pretty removed from reality. Too far removed to make any answers meaningful.

Too far removed to make any answers meaningful.

I find the answers incredibly full of meaning.

You say the Catholics and the Protestants are not enemies? You may wish to look again. History has dulled it somewhat, but the loathing and hatred between those two sides is known. When I say 'enemy', I am speaking of your ideological enemy as well. Nevertheless, Protestants and Catholics have hated and killed each other for centuries.

If there can be no convergence of positions, there can only be conflict. Conflict simmers at a low level until war occurs. The point was made that beliefs are very sticky things and hard to change, but if your entire family gets toasted in a global nuclear exchange, of what value were your beliefs?





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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Too far removed to make any answers meaningful.

I find the answers incredibly full of meaning.

You say the Catholics and the Protestants are not enemies? You may wish to look again. History has dulled it somewhat, but the loathing and hatred between those two sides is known.

Ludicrous. Catholics and Protestants get along well enough in most of the world. Ireland? No. New York, India, spain brazil mexico? Hell yeah. The average catholic doesn't give a damn if someone sitting next to them is a protestant, and vice cersa.

Protestants and Catholics have hated and killed each other for centuries.

Everyone has hated everyone else and killed each other for centuries. Catholics and Protestants aren't ideological enemies either, they have a difference of dogma on religious articles.

The point was made that beliefs are very sticky things and hard to change, but if your entire family gets toasted in a global nuclear exchange, of what value were your beliefs?

So basically you argue that whatever you have to do to stay alive, well, its ok? No imaginable limits on that?

Catholics and Protestants get along well enough in most of the world.

Yes, but wouldn't you say that the reason they haven't fought much in other parts of the world is due to 'civilization'? Are you saying that if civilized behavior falls apart those old prejudices won't return?

I have personally met Protestants (yes, from Ireland) who hate Catholics above all other creatures. They won't let Catholics into their house. The reason for this is deep-seated. They see Catholics as being responsible for many world-ills. The Protestant may well see the Vatican's refusal to accept the reformation as an indication of a deeper evil.

whatever you have to do to stay alive, well, its ok?

Well, no. However, the question is, if you HAD to break bread and make peace with your enemy, and you HAD to accept half of his beliefs, would you prefer that or total destruction? Yes, it's a loaded question but it's Platonic in nature and I am just curious.

I think the answers will show how many people will choose to accept nuclear war rather than a belief change. People will go to the limit to defend the flag they walk under, if you will.

Maybe not. That's why I'm asking.

When put in a life or death situation people will inevitably say and do anything to stay alive.
But if you really believe in what you believe in, death shouldn't scare you......so........"let the nukes fly"


Plus if it's a nuclear war....people of all beliefs will die anyway, so what's the point of changing?

Great topic. Can i have the option of Dying for my Aetheism? so that others can belive in anything they want, hopfully take a leaf out of my book and choose aetheism but anything

otherwise, i dont think i could be fooled into beliving there WAS a god to avoid war, i mean yeah i could SAY I did, and would do that to avoid war

i dont think i could be fooled into beliving there WAS a god to avoid war, i mean yeah i could SAY I did, and would do that to avoid war

Yes, for an atheist to accept to effectively become 'agnostic' and accept the possibility of divinity would not be too difficult, but what about the militant atheists like Ayn Rand and HER enemies, the communists? Funny how people can be vehemently atheistic, isn't it? Surely (since this is the NWO forum) nobody here is unaware of the supposed plan to remove all religion?

if it's a nuclear war....people of all beliefs will die anyway, so what's the point of changing?

The question is, if you could prevent a certain nuclear war (crystal ball here) would you be willing, in the sight of God and your friends, to accept half of your ideological opponent's beliefs?



[edit on 3-2-2005 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps
The question is, if you could prevent a certain nuclear war (crystal ball here) would you be willing, in the sight of God and your friends, to accept half of your ideological opponent's beliefs?

Lets see! If you knew that changing your beliefs would prevent the nuclear war, you would also know who would be the first to send the nukes, therefore, why wouldn't you (crystal ball here) just kill those guys instead? Keep your beliefs.

Nuclear war could be a good thing for evolution! I would like to see a new race of mutated humans wondering the earth with little to no beliefs afterwards. Thats why I love the game fallout! So much fun.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
If the Christian will never allow Muhammed to be equal to Jesus or like God, then there can be nothing except war about the issue.

Why? Is it absolutely impossible for Christians and Muslims to mind their own business and leave each other alone?

If the Atheist will never accept that intelligent design could be possible, he will see the God-lovers as an irrational obstacle that must be removed.

I haven't heard any atheists make that claim. Rather, atheists tend to ignore the subject of religion altogether, and just don't want religious folks shoving that stuff down their throats. Again, like the above, it seems that the real problem isn't religious beliefs at all; rather, it's people who want to meddle in everyone else's business.

If the American (capitalist) will never allow his economic-religion to be tainted by the Chinese (socialist) then destruction will be the only option.

In actual practice, China is about as capitalistic as the USA. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is no longer the platform of the Chinese Communist Party. In reality, their system is much closer to ultra-reactionary capitalistic-fascism than socialism.

If the racist will never merge with his hated race or allow others to do so, destruction is the only option.

There is one other weapon to use against racism besides the sword: education.