What?! Nuclear Hoax

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Where is your explanation for the marker layer of bomb-related fission products in the soil?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Let's look at the effects of firebombing, first of all...

The M69 incendiary bomblet was used in air raids on Japan and China during World War II. They were nicknamed "Tokyo calling cards".[1] The M69 was a plain steel pipe with a hexagonal cross section 3 inches (7.6 cm) in diameter and 20 inches (51 cm) long. It weighed about 6 pounds (2.7 kg).[2]

The bomblet used napalm (jelled gasoline) as an incendiary filler, improving on earlier designs which used thermite or magnesium fillers that burned more intensely, but were less energy- and weight-efficient, and were easier to extinguish.[3] In Germany they were filled with jellied oil and dropped in clusters of 36 in the non-aerodynamic M19 bomb.[4] Over Japan they were used in clusters of 38 as part of the finned E-46 'aimable cluster', which opened up at about 2,000 ft (610 m). After separation, each of the 38 M69s would release a 3-foot (1 m) cotton streamer to orient its fuze downward.[5][6] Upon hitting a building or the ground, the timing fuze burned for three to five seconds and then a white phosphorus charge ignited and propelled the incendiary filling up to 100 feet (30 m) in several flaming globs, instantly starting intense fires

en.wikipedia.org...

That certainly explains why there were so many reports about the extremely blinding light, for all three cities, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.

And let's see what napalm does...

Napal­­m is an enormously destructive weapon. It'­s very stic­ky and can adhere to the skin even after ignition, causing terrible burns. Because napalm burns ­so hot,­ slight contact with the subst­ance can result in second-degree burns, eventually causing scars called keloids. The burns caused by incendiary weapons like napalm are tough for doctors to treat, according to Physicians for Social Responsibility [source: Crawley].

Napalm can cause death by burns or asphyxiation. Napalm bombs generate carbon monoxide while simultaneously removing oxygen from the air. The air in the bombing area can be 20 percent or more carbon monoxide [source: GlobalSecurity.org]. This effect occurs because napalm partially combusts the oxygen in the air, turning CO2 (carbon dioxide) into CO (carbon monoxide). In some cases, people have been boiled to death in rivers made hot by the heat of napalm bombs.

Sound familiar? The horrific effects of napalm are - by some amazing coincidence - NO DIFFERENT than the effects caused by these supposed 'A-bomb'! Peeled skin, and all the other effects, we all have etched in our minds forever, which they say were all caused by their powerful Atomic bombs, which we all believed, once again, because we had never seen such horrific images before. This was only possible with a very powerful A-bomb, same as the destruction of cities had never been seen before, so it could only be done by an A-bomb, too.


The images of people after the firebombing were not shown to us at the time, either, same as no images of Tokyo were shown to us at the time.

Hmm, wonder why nobody had EVER SEEN SUCH HORRIFIC IMAGES, until the A-bomb images were splashed everywhere???



Everything matches perfectly.

- The flattened cities which left steel and concrete structures intact.
- The horrific injuries to people in all three cities are virtually identical.
- The blinding light seen in all three cities when they were hit is the same.
- Radiation effects were the same in all three cities.

It cannot match any better, in fact.

And of course, we know that nobody ever saw images like that before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, because they never showed us images of Tokyo!

I guess they just forgot to show 'em to us, it was all an honest mistake!! Or they thought it wasn't important to show images of it, maybe. Or it was something like that, anyway.

Nothing fishy, that's for sure!

a reply to: turbonium1

You seem to have given yourself the impression that your word salad answered my questions.

It does not.

I did not ask you about firebombing, I did not ask you about how napalm works. You do not explain where all the planes and bombs were for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


Try again:

Where is your explanation for the marker layer of bomb-related fission products in the soil?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

and for a bonus point: show me a lake producing HEP that doesn't have a dam.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You seem to have given yourself the impression that your word salad answered my questions.

It does not.

I did not ask you about firebombing, I did not ask you about how napalm works. You do not explain where all the planes and bombs were for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


Try again:

Where is your explanation for the marker layer of bomb-related fission products in the soil?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Quote the relevant passages from your source that mention 'marker layers' in the 'soil', because I don't see them anywhere in the article.

Once you do that, I'll be happy to address it.

So go ahead, then..

And then you can address my previous post on firebombing, too. Instead of avoiding it again and again.

a reply to: turbonium1

The article, as you cna plainly see, concerns another issue I brought up relating to the eyewitnesses you deny exist.

I have already posted links to the 137-Cs marker layer, you ignored them then, you will ignore them again. Why should I bother? I will, ust because you're too lazy and too cowardly to go back through the thread. Here's a good one, Ive met one of the authors:

www.sciencedirect.com...

The affinity of bomb-derived fallout 137Cs and naturally-occurring fallout 210Pb for soil and sediment particles make them valuable sediment tracers, and they have been used in a wide range of environmental investigations. A knowledge of their behaviour and distribution in soils is vital for understanding their movement within the environment and therefore for interpreting the information that they provide as sediment tracers. The study reported in this paper combines both empirical evidence and theoretical reasoning to develop an improved understanding of the distribution of fallout 137Cs and 210Pb in undisturbed and cultivated soils. Results from field experiments suggest that the initial distribution of these radionuclides in topsoils is approximately exponential. The primary factors influencing the post-depositional redistribution of these radionuclides in stable undisturbed soils have been represented as effective diffusion and convection processes, and a one-dimensional transport model has been employed to describe temporal changes in their vertical distribution in the soil profile. Cultivation and soil erosion are the dominant processes controlling their vertical distribution in cultivated soils. The information obtained is essential for exploiting fully the potential for using these fallout radionuclides as tracers in studying soil erosion, sediment delivery and sediment deposition, and associated sediment budgets.

Have another:

pubag.nal.usda.gov...

Radioactive fallout 137CS (cesium-137) deposited across the landscape from atmospheric nuclear tests is strongly absorbed on soil particles limiting its movement by chemical and biological processes. Most 137CS movement in the environment is by physical processes; therefore, 137CS is a unique tracer for studying erosion and sedimentation.

Whole bunch of articles in here:

pdfs.semanticscholar.org...

But here's just one quote from the first one:

137Cs (E 0.662 MeV, t, 30.1 years) is a major component in the fallout from atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons; since 1954 it has been globally detectable. This isotope is strongly adsorbed on fine particles, particularly clay minerals, silts and humic materials (Lomenick and Tamura, 1965; Rogowski and Tamura, 1965; Ritchie and McHenry, 1975; Baltakemens and Gregory, 1977). Indeed, in some arid watersheds in the USA, 90 per cent of the variation in the 137Cs content of surface soils per unit area was predicted in terms of intensity of fallout, percentages of clay and silt, and cation exchange capacity (McHenry and Ritchie, 1977b). It follows that all surface soils with an adsorptive capacity will have a 137Cs content and therefore be able to act as self-tracers.

And another

www.researchgate.net... Thessaloniki_Gulf_Greece

The artificial radionuclide137Cs (with half life of30.05 ±0.08 years) is derived from atmospheric nucleartests, accidents in nuclear plants and authorized dischargeof radioactive wastes into the marine environment.137Csfallout shows: (a) an old peak, which is attributed to theincidence of nuclear weapons tests, carried out during the1950 s and 1960 s and resulting in a maximum fallout in1963 (UNSCEAR 1982; He and Walling 1996; Carter andMoghissi 1997) and (b) a new peak, which corresponds tothe Chernobyl accident, in 1986.

Met the authors of this one:

www.tandfonline.com...

Fallout 137Cs is an artificial radionuclide with a half life of ca. 30.2 years, most of which was produced as a result of above-ground thermonuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s. Radiocaesium was ejected into the stratosphere where it circulated globally. Deposition on the land surface was first recorded in the early 1950s and was primarily associated with precipitation. Fallout was greater in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere, because more atmospheric testing took place in the former, and was greatest in lower latitudes. Within latitudinal bands there is often a good relationship between the amount of 137Cs fallout and precipitation. The temporal pattern of fallout is well documented in many regions of the world (Fig. 1), such that after a peak in fallout in 1963, levels have declined and, apart from the Chernobyl accident in 1986, negligible amounts of fallout have been recorded since the mid-1980s. In most environments, fallout 137Cs reaching the land surface was rapidly and tightly sorbed to the fine fraction of surficial soils and sediments.

and again:

www.sciencedirect.com...

137Cesium is a radionuclide (half-life = 30.17 years) whose environmental presence is solely from nuclear fission, which occurred mainly as a result of atmospheric nuclear weapons testing (Krishnaswamy et al., 1971; Ritchie and McHenry, 1990). 137Cs atmospheric fallout first began in 1952 ± 2 years (Robbins, 1978), with measurable global fallout occurring in 1954 (Ritchie and McHenry, 1990). The first fallout peak was recorded in 1959 and the second, in most geographic areas, was in 1963 (Hardy, 1971; Ritchie et al., 1973). A third peak from the 1986 Chernobyl accident occurred in Europe, particularly Scandinavia and the Baltic region, but is largely absent from North America (Wang et al., 2017). The two peak global fallout years, 1959 and 1963, were first used in the early 1970s as single-event chronomarkers to determine recent sedimentation rates in reservoirs, lakes, and marine sediments (Krishnaswamy et al., 1971; Hardy, 1971; Robbins and Edgington, 1972; Simpson et al., 1976; Ritchie and McHenry, 1990).

and again:

archive.li.suu.edu...

Above-ground nuclear testing between 1945 and 1%3 introduced into the atmosphere the nonnatural radioactive 137Cs isotope (Grootes, 1983) and added to the natural production of the radioactive 14C isotope (Nydal, 1963). When incorporated into alluvial deposits, these post-bomb isotopes form a time-stratigraphic marker.

All you are doing by constantly referring to the Tokyo firebombing is ignoring the fact that it took a large number of planes, a lot of bombs, and a lot of pilots and crew to achieve. Where are the accounts of those planes, personnel and materiel for Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Address that.

While the class waits for turbonium1 to do his homework (which I predict will have been eaten by the dog), here are some very old films proving that yes, in fact, people were told about the Tokyo firebombing and shown pictures.

See how many planes were involved. How many people.

Cities that have been flattened and burned tend to look like they've been flattened and burned. The difference is how that happened. Turbo has no proof whatsoever that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not flattened by atomic weapons and then burned by the subsequent firestorm.

(go to about 51 minutes on this one)

a reply to: turbonium1

dude the people who survived the bombing said they say 2 us aircraft the first being the weather guys and then the other one they saw was the enola gay

1 aircraft can not destroy a city without nuclear weapons. or was the multi hundreds of aircraft missed over one of the most defended places at that time? the only reason they didnt shoot at the aircraft and the weather guys was becasue they were lone aircraft they were used to seeing by that time.


or do you not believe the people who were actually there?

also the moon is trapped in our gravity well, that's why it stays where it is. if you don't like gravity then its the bending of the local area by the mass of Earth.

a reply to: penroc3

or do you not believe the people who were actually there?

How do you know they were there? How do you know they aren't lying?

After all, there are people who claim they they have orbited the Earth. Believe it or not, there are even people who say they have walked on the Moon.

Unless you were there, you know nothing.
(just saving Turbo the trouble of answering)

a reply to: Phage

I just really have a hard time believing that whoever this person is they are this dumb and dense

a reply to: penroc3

I've been...um...conversing...with him/her for a while.

a reply to: turbonium1

this crap illustrates perfectly - why any rational dialougue with turbo troll is futile

a reply to: ignorant_ape

His take on hydro electrical power is quite amusing though.
Bonkers, but amusing.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
All you are doing by constantly referring to the Tokyo firebombing is ignoring the fact that it took a large number of planes, a lot of bombs, and a lot of pilots and crew to achieve. Where are the accounts of those planes, personnel and materiel for Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Address that.

Why do you think they never showed photos of Tokyo after the firebombing? You've run out of excuses for it. So now, you ask why there are no "accounts" of firebombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Are you serious?

Use your own brain for once, and compare Tokyo with the other two cities they supposedly 'nuked'. Why do you think they match so perfectly?

Why would powerful 'nukes' leave all the steel and concrete completely INTACT?

'Nukes' must be very selective in what they actually damage, right? Sure, that's a good one.


Look at images of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Everything is flattened around perfectly intact buildings, and bridges. How is that possible? Because it was FIRE that flattened everything but steel and concrete structures, that's why/


Tokyo shows the exact same pattern of damage as those two cities, with everything flattened except steel and concrete structures, right? That's what firebombing does. No 'nukes' did it. No 'nukes' even exist.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

The article, as you cna plainly see, concerns another issue I brought up relating to the eyewitnesses you deny exist.

I have already posted links to the 137-Cs marker layer, you ignored them then, you will ignore them again. Why should I bother? I will, ust because you're too lazy and too cowardly to go back through the thread. Here's a good one, Ive met one of the authors:

www.sciencedirect.com...

The affinity of bomb-derived fallout 137Cs and naturally-occurring fallout 210Pb for soil and sediment particles make them valuable sediment tracers, and they have been used in a wide range of environmental investigations. A knowledge of their behaviour and distribution in soils is vital for understanding their movement within the environment and therefore for interpreting the information that they provide as sediment tracers. The study reported in this paper combines both empirical evidence and theoretical reasoning to develop an improved understanding of the distribution of fallout 137Cs and 210Pb in undisturbed and cultivated soils. Results from field experiments suggest that the initial distribution of these radionuclides in topsoils is approximately exponential. The primary factors influencing the post-depositional redistribution of these radionuclides in stable undisturbed soils have been represented as effective diffusion and convection processes, and a one-dimensional transport model has been employed to describe temporal changes in their vertical distribution in the soil profile. Cultivation and soil erosion are the dominant processes controlling their vertical distribution in cultivated soils. The information obtained is essential for exploiting fully the potential for using these fallout radionuclides as tracers in studying soil erosion, sediment delivery and sediment deposition, and associated sediment budgets.

Have another:

pubag.nal.usda.gov...

Radioactive fallout 137CS (cesium-137) deposited across the landscape from atmospheric nuclear tests is strongly absorbed on soil particles limiting its movement by chemical and biological processes. Most 137CS movement in the environment is by physical processes; therefore, 137CS is a unique tracer for studying erosion and sedimentation.

Whole bunch of articles in here:

pdfs.semanticscholar.org...

But here's just one quote from the first one:

137Cs (E 0.662 MeV, t, 30.1 years) is a major component in the fallout from atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons; since 1954 it has been globally detectable. This isotope is strongly adsorbed on fine particles, particularly clay minerals, silts and humic materials (Lomenick and Tamura, 1965; Rogowski and Tamura, 1965; Ritchie and McHenry, 1975; Baltakemens and Gregory, 1977). Indeed, in some arid watersheds in the USA, 90 per cent of the variation in the 137Cs content of surface soils per unit area was predicted in terms of intensity of fallout, percentages of clay and silt, and cation exchange capacity (McHenry and Ritchie, 1977b). It follows that all surface soils with an adsorptive capacity will have a 137Cs content and therefore be able to act as self-tracers.

And another

www.researchgate.net... Thessaloniki_Gulf_Greece

The artificial radionuclide137Cs (with half life of30.05 ±0.08 years) is derived from atmospheric nucleartests, accidents in nuclear plants and authorized dischargeof radioactive wastes into the marine environment.137Csfallout shows: (a) an old peak, which is attributed to theincidence of nuclear weapons tests, carried out during the1950 s and 1960 s and resulting in a maximum fallout in1963 (UNSCEAR 1982; He and Walling 1996; Carter andMoghissi 1997) and (b) a new peak, which corresponds tothe Chernobyl accident, in 1986.

Met the authors of this one:

www.tandfonline.com...

Fallout 137Cs is an artificial radionuclide with a half life of ca. 30.2 years, most of which was produced as a result of above-ground thermonuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s. Radiocaesium was ejected into the stratosphere where it circulated globally. Deposition on the land surface was first recorded in the early 1950s and was primarily associated with precipitation. Fallout was greater in the northern hemisphere than in the southern hemisphere, because more atmospheric testing took place in the former, and was greatest in lower latitudes. Within latitudinal bands there is often a good relationship between the amount of 137Cs fallout and precipitation. The temporal pattern of fallout is well documented in many regions of the world (Fig. 1), such that after a peak in fallout in 1963, levels have declined and, apart from the Chernobyl accident in 1986, negligible amounts of fallout have been recorded since the mid-1980s. In most environments, fallout 137Cs reaching the land surface was rapidly and tightly sorbed to the fine fraction of surficial soils and sediments.

and again:

www.sciencedirect.com...

137Cesium is a radionuclide (half-life = 30.17 years) whose environmental presence is solely from nuclear fission, which occurred mainly as a result of atmospheric nuclear weapons testing (Krishnaswamy et al., 1971; Ritchie and McHenry, 1990). 137Cs atmospheric fallout first began in 1952 ± 2 years (Robbins, 1978), with measurable global fallout occurring in 1954 (Ritchie and McHenry, 1990). The first fallout peak was recorded in 1959 and the second, in most geographic areas, was in 1963 (Hardy, 1971; Ritchie et al., 1973). A third peak from the 1986 Chernobyl accident occurred in Europe, particularly Scandinavia and the Baltic region, but is largely absent from North America (Wang et al., 2017). The two peak global fallout years, 1959 and 1963, were first used in the early 1970s as single-event chronomarkers to determine recent sedimentation rates in reservoirs, lakes, and marine sediments (Krishnaswamy et al., 1971; Hardy, 1971; Robbins and Edgington, 1972; Simpson et al., 1976; Ritchie and McHenry, 1990).

and again:

archive.li.suu.edu...

Above-ground nuclear testing between 1945 and 1%3 introduced into the atmosphere the nonnatural radioactive 137Cs isotope (Grootes, 1983) and added to the natural production of the radioactive 14C isotope (Nydal, 1963). When incorporated into alluvial deposits, these post-bomb isotopes form a time-stratigraphic marker.

Radioactive 'markers' would show up after firebombing, no? That's all there is to it.

Nothing here proves 'nukes' exist, that's for sure. Studies are made up, or use firebombing as their testing areas, which show radioactivity in the area. Nothing more required here.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: turbonium1

dude the people who survived the bombing said they say 2 us aircraft the first being the weather guys and then the other one they saw was the enola gay

1 aircraft can not destroy a city without nuclear weapons. or was the multi hundreds of aircraft missed over one of the most defended places at that time? the only reason they didnt shoot at the aircraft and the weather guys was becasue they were lone aircraft they were used to seeing by that time.

How was Tokyo destroyed by firebombing then, if it was "one of the most defended places at that time"?

Your argument is nonsense.

They pay off someone who claims they saw a single plane drop a bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and you think that is 'evidence'? It's like 'witnesses' who saw Oswald shoot JFK - I'm sure they were very reliable witnesses, too!!

The evidence speaks for itself. Images show what happened in Tokyo was the same for the other two cities, without a doubt. Look for yourself, and tell me what is any different. You can't.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: penroc3

or do you not believe the people who were actually there?

How do you know they were there? How do you know they aren't lying?

After all, there are people who claim they they have orbited the Earth. Believe it or not, there are even people who say they have walked on the Moon.

Unless you were there, you know nothing.
(just saving Turbo the trouble of answering)

Evidence is all that matters. People can claim anything, does that make it true? No. Evidence makes something true, or false, nothing else.

At least you're on the right track here, whether you meant it, or not!

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Phage

I just really have a hard time believing that whoever this person is they are this dumb and dense

People who have nothing to contribute but personal attacks are not exactly intelligent, that's for sure!

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: turbonium1

this crap illustrates perfectly - why any rational dialougue with turbo troll is futile

This would be another fine example of 'rational dialogue', obviously!

I'm presenting an opinion, you are here to spew forth personal insults, and how 'rational' is that?

If you don't agree with my points, then address them, or leave, because I'm tired of these very childish antics, over and over again.

a reply to: Phage

that is like you saying you live in Hawaii

No one knows that, you are just making it up see

(this is a silly position you put yourself in Phage)

You are very smart about somethings and woefully ignorant in others, just like everyone.

yeah, I called you normal, sue me.

a reply to: turbonium1

people that discount eye witness testimony are what exactly??


Brilliant on your part, personally I don't think you exist, you are just a bot spouting nonsense.

Prove you are really human and not a computer program, cause that the only think this obtuse.


(you can google the big words if you need too )

or like a bot, ignore me.