The Truth About The Berenstein Bears

a reply to: xMoralDeclinex

Thank you!!! So tired of that debate! I read much older books than those, such as the ones where they go on vacation, or to find a picnic spot, and I do remember the spelling. As a child, the name was unusual to me, so I made note of it, to try and figure out how to pronounce it. Used to have some of those books, but not in ages; the kids are well past them now, and some books were lost. Always, though, it was Berenstain!!

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

... Always, though, it was Berenstain!!

Well, the obvious and most sensible explanation for that is that you come from an alternate reality.

Obviously.

Any other explanation would be silly.

a reply to: Pearj

Good points. Thanks for mentioning what happened on these sites. I've noticed a lot of ME material on YouTube. Guess that explains why.

Also want to point out that if someone truly felt special they wouldn't be so desperate to be a 'special snowflake.' It's insecure people who do that stuff, esp. socially insecure. Many of the people speaking out about this topic seem pretty confident and collected to me.

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a reply to: Orborus

YES. This is what I remember too! It was always a continent and now it's not even featured on most Canadian maps. It's just cut off. Always before we saw the lower portion of it. It was HUGE. And all my life I heard about the ice melting up north and that it will likely cover most of the world under tons of water, but now there is no mention of this. Suddenly it's all ice and water, no real concern. I find mention of this about Antarctica instead. Antarctica was barely ever referred to before, but now it's taken Arctica's place in regards to flooding concern. To me this is by far the most significant ME because it probably saved a great many lives!

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Orborus


And all my life I heard about the ice melting up north and that it will likely cover most of the world under tons of water, but now there is no mention of this. Suddenly it's all ice and water, no real concern.

Hi LoneCloudHopper2!

It is still melting but we're not supposed to question why dead polar bears are showing up on Scottish shores now.

Also, here is an article about a huge iceberg drifting past Newfoundland...this one quote in particular is important:

"So far this year the number of icebergs moving into the North Atlantic shipping lanes has spiked, forcing vessels to either slow down or make long detours. Some 616 icebergs have moved into the shipping lanes so far this year, as compared to 687 in all of 2016."

the guardian

Oh, and yes...Santa Claus lived on snow covered land, he wasn't floating on icy water in a houseboat!
jacy

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

... Always, though, it was Berenstain!!

Well, the obvious and most sensible explanation for that is that you come from an alternate reality.

Obviously.

Any other explanation would be silly.

Shhh!!! Don't tell anyone!!! It's supposed to be a secret. Er, I mean, just kidding! Really...honest...

This:

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Orborus

YES. This is what I remember too! It was always a continent and now it's not even featured on most Canadian maps. It's just cut off. Always before we saw the lower portion of it. It was HUGE. And all my life I heard about the ice melting up north and that it will likely cover most of the world under tons of water, but now there is no mention of this. Suddenly it's all ice and water, no real concern. I find mention of this about Antarctica instead. Antarctica was barely ever referred to before, but now it's taken Arctica's place in regards to flooding concern. To me this is by far the most significant ME because it probably saved a great many lives!

Totally what I remember.. Any time scientists or media talked about global warming, it was always about the Arctic.

I remember how Canada and Arctica was used as an example of how flat maps are distorted and the teacher saying specifically saying that Arctica looks like a big land mass, Antarctica as well, because of the way it's depicted on flat maps. I remember both Arctica and Antarctica looked about the same size on different maps we were being shown. Its weird now looking it up, its just a sea there.

originally posted by: wickd_waze
I remember how Canada and Arctica was used as an example of how flat maps are distorted and the teacher saying specifically saying that Arctica looks like a big land mass, Antarctica as well, because of the way it's depicted on flat maps. I remember both Arctica and Antarctica looked about the same size on different maps we were being shown. Its weird now looking it up, its just a sea there.

They say (and had said when I was in school decades ago) that about the distortion of Greenland on the Mercator projection Map:

Mercator Map of the World

The Mecator map was made for old-time ocean navigation, and was mean to show straight line paths across east/west and strainght line north/south to aid in ship navigation. However, to make straight lines on the north-south direction of a sphere, the map needed to be stretched and distorted at the top and bottom, thus making Greenland look huge.

Here are some graphics showing the size of Greenland on the Mercator Projection:


And the size of it on the Mercator Map compared to Africa, along with the actual size of Greenland compared with Africa (Greenland in purple; Africa in pink):

originally posted by: Pearj
This:

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Orborus

YES. This is what I remember too! It was always a continent and now it's not even featured on most Canadian maps. It's just cut off. Always before we saw the lower portion of it. It was HUGE. And all my life I heard about the ice melting up north and that it will likely cover most of the world under tons of water, but now there is no mention of this. Suddenly it's all ice and water, no real concern. I find mention of this about Antarctica instead. Antarctica was barely ever referred to before, but now it's taken Arctica's place in regards to flooding concern. To me this is by far the most significant ME because it probably saved a great many lives!

Totally what I remember.. Any time scientists or media talked about global warming, it was always about the Arctic.

At and around the North Pole is mostly an ice sheet on top of the Arctic Ocean (with a little water -- more water in the summer, less-to-none in the winter).

Here is an graphic showing the average sea ice over the Arctic Ocean at and around the North Pole (and the ice sheet over Greenland, which is the part jutting out from about the "7 o'clock" position):


The accelerated melting of this ice, plus the Arctic ice sheets of Greenland near the North Pole, is still widely discussed when climate change is discussed:

Greenland ice sheet melting can cool subtropics, alter climate

I don't ever remember there being a place called 'Arctica.' That's a new one to me.

I was planning a big ME thread at some point because I have been looking into it quite a bit recently but I might as write some stuff I noticed here.
This will include some pro and some against the ME.

Lets start with the pro's:

- People who say that in general the ME is rubbish because THEY remember it the right way, have not understood the ME. Point is that IF it was due to shifts in reality, everyone would be right. Those that remember it always having been one way and the others who remember it differently. That is the whole 'mystery' about this.
You could say that you are right until you are blue in the face, the others might also be right.

- I have some effects that I do remember differently and can back them up with certain thoughts or actions. Lets take Berenstain/stein. We didn't really have them in Germany, so I was quite unbiast. When I came to England and read those to the kids [was a nanny], I remember making it a joke to pronounce them very German, as in Beren schtein.
Of course I could have mislooked and assumed it was that rather than -stain but I did read the title with my fingers underneath each syllable to the kids, and I am not a moron. I slowly read it to them and explained that in German it would be -schtein. I wouldn't have made the 'joke' if I had read stain as I wasn't predisposed to this name. There are others but I do agree that I might have been blind and stupid after all [see below].

- I do think that non word based ME are far more believable. I had a world map above my bed for many years and looked at it every frigging morning. I know that S-America wasn't as close to Africa as it is now [and that is with taking the distortion into account]. Australia also was quite far away from any land. The Brits sent their convicts there because they couldn't escape easily. By the looks of it now, all they needed to do is build a crappy raft and paddle to freedom.
There are more things that feel very uncomfortable to someone who always pays good attention and isn't prone to gullibility.



However there are far too many things that wind me up about the ME:

- The gullibles:
OMG where to start with this? The ME is actually really interesting and there may even be something to it, be it physics or psychological, it should be studied. But the amount of complete gullibles that take it beyond all rationality is unreal.
There are people almost losing their minds on YouTube, panting and scared and saying they don't know what to do because it's consuming them. Wow. They also believe every single ME and never question it in any way, shape or form.
I don't think these people should spread their panic like that.

- The irrationals:
The worst thing I came across were absolutely explainable MEs that people just believed because they have no knowledge of the subject. I think one of the worst ones ever is the size of the Rio Jesus on top of the mountain. My brain nearly fell out when I read that it used to be smaller [pictures showed people in front of it and it looked small] but now it's much bigger, showing pictures from a different angle and humans being tiny.
Problem was that on the first picture you could also see the scaffolding on the jesus and it was so small, that none of the people in front would have fitted. Unless of course PERSPECTIVE. Father Ted tried to explain that once to Dougal using cows.
It was so obvious, you must be 10 years old or really stupid to believe that ME. Yet there were some stating "Wow, OMG, minfeck, best one ever...etc"

- The misspellers:
I don't really like ME about words as a lot of people, especially younger ones can't spell for sh*t. They don't know when to use their, there, they're etc and come up with gems such as 'Greek lightning' [instead of Grease]. For years they never bother to check the spelling and keep saying it as they hear it and when finally someone shows them they go: "Oooh, I shifted universes".

- The same tricks that illusionists use also work for the ME
I have a book by Darren Brown, which is about how magicians or illusionists trick people because we are so easily tricked.
You can literally place something in front of someone in full view of them, if you just do it right and confuse the brain really easily. That person will not remember at all.
This is the case in 99% of ME. Especially word based ones. You can literally be blind to the obvious.

- Peer confirmation
If you say something wrong or hear something wrong and so do your friends and family, you will believe that it was like that, even if you hear later on that all of your friends and family have self perpetuated the wrong thing. If they eventually hear the correct thing they will deny it or say they jumped dimensions.


I think there is more but this is enough for now. The ME is real. Meaning it exist for what it is. There is a large amount of people who disagree with large events. Whatever the reason is, I personally find it interesting. Is it overlapping universes or is it a very interesting new psychological phenomenon, I am only fed up with it when nobody asks the proper questions and just believes everything.

a reply to: Hecate666

I never said the ME phenomenon wasn't real or wasn't interesting.

However, I think the Effect is a psychological, sociological, and cultural phenomenon, and NOT a time-shift or alternate reality phenomenon.

There is no reason why the explanation can't simply be "people's memories being influenced by culture, peers, etc" or people simply not remembering properly. The human brain is a complex device, and human memory can also be complex a susceptible to the brain's influence, and in turn, the brain is susceptible to other influences.

That is to say, memory is not a perfect recording of things past. Instead it is the brain's interpretation of things past.

originally posted by: Box of Rain
a reply to: Hecate666

I never said the ME phenomenon wasn't real or wasn't interesting.

However, I think the Effect is a psychological, sociological, and cultural phenomenon, and NOT a time-shift or alternate reality phenomenon.

There is no reason why the explanation can't simply be "people's memories being influenced by culture, peers, etc" or people simply not remembering properly. The human brain is a complex device, and human memory can also be complex a susceptible to the brain's influence, and in turn, the brain is susceptible to other influences.

That is to say, memory is not a perfect recording of things past. Instead it is the brain's interpretation of things past.

I wasn't saying this directly to you, or I would have clicked 'reply' and your name would have popped up. I don't know why you are taking this personal? Furthermore, IF you had read my post, you'd have noticed that I said EXACTLY what you just said above. With examples.

a reply to: Hecate666

I'm not taking it personally, and I don't think my post necessarily sounded as if I was. Nor was I rebutting your entire post. I simply responded as one of the people who could have been included in your group that you mentioned, as follows:

"People who say that in general the ME is rubbish because THEY remember it the right way, have not understood the ME."

Although, as I pointed out in my post (and the main point of my post) is that many people who discount ME as being due to time shifts or alternate realities are NOT calling ME rubbish or discounting the existence of the ME phenomenon, but rather just the cause of it.

ME is a very real and interesting phenomenon, but I think it easily explained as a psychological effect, considering it is well-known that human memory is fallible and easily influenced by a number of factors. The "Alternate Reality" or "Dimensional/Time Shift" explanation seems to be lacking in any credible evidence to back it up, other than it being cool sci-fi style wild speculation.

I simply don't understand why people cannot fathom the idea that our memories are not tape recordings. They seem to totally discount the idea that our memories may not be totally real, but instead are influenced by many factors inside our own brains, and in fact could be created by our brains. It is known that our brains are capable of producing false memories that we can swear are real, but actually are not.

In fact, it isn't only our memories that could be false, but even our "live" perception of the world around us may not be what is really there. What we perceive in real time is also heavily based on what our brains think we should perceive. Just like our memories are not tape recorders, it is also true that our vision is not a camera and our hearing is not a microphone, but rather vision and hearing are run through our brains first and then our brains tell us what it thinks we saw and heard.

originally posted by: Box of Rain
a reply to: Hecate666

I simply don't understand why people cannot fathom the idea that our memories are not tape recordings.

No Effected person I know has ever said anything even remotely like this.

Can you simply fathom I have the same faculties as you?

I think you assume we think our memories are perfect.. It's like your poking fun and generating your own confusion over something you made up.

If you have such a hard time understanding, why do you continue to post in this (or any) ME thread? You aren't asking questions (trying to understand). Your only here to argue the same point to people who have long since moved past the faulty memory argument.

The Mandela Effect is real - not made up, not a trick, not a psyop, not mass brain washing, not a "special club", not a lack of education, not misheard lyrics etc..

We aren't really talking about memories.. We're talking about learned things via saturation (knowledge) it's a real thing, wiki it. It's why you don't have to look at a map everyday to get to work.

If you were truly interested, you would ask questions; research, and be respectful. I think you just want to argue - but you jailed your own mind - and aren't worth debating with under those conditions.

a reply to: jacygirl

Yes, it is melting and breaking apart, but it used to be a much greater concern.

Santa indeed lived in the north pole. So weird.

Humans tend to get bored.

a reply to: Pearj

Yes, ALWAYS. Maybe other countries mentioned Antartica, I don't know, but here in Canada it was rarely ever referred to at all, ever. Now suddenly we hear about it was a major concern, instead of the Arctic.