Iranian "stealth" fighter F-313 qaher begins taxi tests.

a reply to: intrptr

...and you're equating this to what, an actual attack on a US navy task force?

In case you've forgotten, actually you don't care so long as it, seemingly, proves your point, that ship was unarmed, completely unable to protect itself. Ooops. Seems you've failed to make your point.

A US navy task force, with carrier support, is not even remotely in the same ball park as that video which you seem to think proves your point.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: intrptr

...and you're equating this to what, an actual attack on a US navy task force?

In case you've forgotten, actually you don't care so long as it, seemingly, proves your point, that ship was unarmed, completely unable to protect itself. Ooops. Seems you've failed to make your point.

A US navy task force, with carrier support, is not even remotely in the same ball park as that video which you seem to think proves your point.

What video?

Edit: You mean this one? Proof pudding...

a reply to: intrptr

Well...

The houthi's shot at an american warship, USS Mason, after that attack that damaged the UAE ship.

2 missiles were fired at the first incoming cruise missile, SM-2's.
Also Counter measures were deployed and the ship was not sunk. Probably fooled the second missile.

Don't think that countermeasures have remained stagnant. The Nulka is one of those defense systems. Along with the SM-2's.

news.usni.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: grey580

The US decimated the radar site that tracked the vessel, proving it was perceived as a threat.

Obviously

originally posted by: missed_gear
a reply to: Zaphod58

That will not fly SS.

Nice job.

mg

Put enough thrust behind it and you can make a brick fly.

a reply to: buster2010

They proved that with the DC-10.

What video? Edit: You mean this one? Proof pudding...

Uuumm its not like the carrier was hiding or anything..
Russian aircraft regularly buzzed carriers during the Cold War..Its just a game..

a reply to: intrptr

Yes they did.

A day or few days after.

a reply to: intrptr

They needed a drone to spot an aircraft carrier? Wow not hard to find in the gulf Worries me that they apparently didnt see it at first. Guess the navy turned off there carrier stealth shield. Here ill help Iran next time there isnt alot of places an aircraft carrier can go in the gulf they re limited to the main shipping lane. Wow what morons.

a reply to: intrptr

Apparently you're too young to remember the Russian aircraft that used to regularly fly-by US aircraft carriers back in the day. Bears with Tomcat, or Phantom, tag alongs--everyone one of them boresighted on the Bear.

It's an old game, with set rules. Violate them, and you're likely to get shot.

a reply to: Zaphod58

...and the Phantom.

originally posted by: haman10
a reply to: intrptr

Brother, US Army owns Iranian army in every single aspect. What we've managed to do is making an invasion of our lands so hard and so costly (human life and money both) that anyone even US thinks several times before pulling the trigger.

We've achieved that by building potent IRBMs, AShBMs,AD network and of course, proxies.

Our airforce can do nothing in case of a US invasion. but we've got a very very strong Air defense network which can indeed cause huge casualties for USAF. if that isn't the case i don't know whats keeping US from an aerial invasion.

people should realize that we're not sand-dwellers and we are capable of scientific and industrial achievements as well

WHy launch a aerial invasion when we can launch a saturation strike overwhelming the defenses instead? Haman I respect ya but the US dont have to invade to cause Iran serious harm. destroying the infrastucture,military bases and fuel refineries would work so much better. that and stopping all food and water production as well. then the US and allies just sit back and blockade iran until they either starve or surrender.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: haman10
a reply to: intrptr

Brother, US Army owns Iranian army in every single aspect. What we've managed to do is making an invasion of our lands so hard and so costly (human life and money both) that anyone even US thinks several times before pulling the trigger.

We've achieved that by building potent IRBMs, AShBMs,AD network and of course, proxies.

Our airforce can do nothing in case of a US invasion. but we've got a very very strong Air defense network which can indeed cause huge casualties for USAF. if that isn't the case i don't know whats keeping US from an aerial invasion.

people should realize that we're not sand-dwellers and we are capable of scientific and industrial achievements as well

WHy launch a aerial invasion when we can launch a saturation strike overwhelming the defenses instead? Haman I respect ya but the US dont have to invade to cause Iran serious harm. destroying the infrastucture,military bases and fuel refineries would work so much better. that and stopping all food and water production as well. then the US and allies just sit back and blockade iran until they either starve or surrender.

I agree no invasion just bombed back to the stone age.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: intrptr

Apparently you're too young to remember the Russian aircraft that used to regularly fly-by US aircraft carriers back in the day. Bears with Tomcat, or Phantom, tag alongs--everyone one of them boresighted on the Bear.

It's an old game, with set rules. Violate them, and you're likely to get shot.

Big difference between danger close and threat. "Back in the Day', that was considered a hundred miles.

They would never have let an unknown drone (or a sub) get that close to a carrier, especially one on drills, while the deck is covered wth aircraft. The Chinese did it too, remember?

Theres a new class of Diesel subs with improved baffling technology that makes them as stealthy as the wests super expensive attack subs. Besides WWII tactics can and often do evade detection anyway, stealth being a combination of factors including utilizing terrain and hiding in background noise clutter. Not surprised at all the Iranian sub was able to observe the carrier within torpedo range and remain undetected.

USS Kitty Hawk incident with a chinese 'song' class submarine

Myth of US invincibility in the Gulf (Rense)

a reply to: intrptr

The CHinese sub wasnt tracked because they were not a threat apparently. Each nations subs put out a different signature and the chinese subs were not on the list of sigs to track and were ignored most likely.
ALso Then Navys funding went up after this mysteriously...almost as if they LET IT HAPPEN to SCARE INVESTORS into giving them more money.

Oh they knew they were there for sure. otherwise they would had ran into it.
Diesels are not silent at all even with the new baffling. and we know the Iranian subs arent as advanced as the chinese subs. Its not wartime and they are considered a non threat at this time(the iranians) SO what you cite as not being able to be detected is the US navy not CARING to look for them.

There is no sense in arguing with the circular logic of someone so convinced that Iran can defeat the US. They would not be working so hard to win this discussion if the were familiar with weapons systems.

This just bravado on Iran's behalf. If you remember in our war in Iraq, Saddam's information minister (Baghdad Bob) would routinely say that we killed them all while the USMC was parked outside of their building pulling down the statue of Saddam. Laughingly, he disappeared shortly thereafter. He has never been seen since but intel says he is living in the UAE in quiet retirement.

A week ago, 59 cruise missiles struct a Syrian airfield. The point that I'm making is that Syria purchased the Russian top anti-aircraft system. This is the same missile system Iran purchased after Obama's payment last year. This system didn't stop the Israelis when they struct the Syrian nuclear reactor or the 59 cruise missiles against their airfield. What does it say about the magic Iranian weapons systems? Well, I'll tell you! If it isn't a target, it is of no concern! If you were thinking about your WIG craft design? The plans were published in the "Popular Mechanics" magazine 20 years ago. It was a good article about the grandson of Igor Sikorsky who was into building these things.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: intrptr

The CHinese sub wasnt tracked because they were not a threat apparently. Each nations subs put out a different signature and the chinese subs were not on the list of sigs to track and were ignored most likely.
ALso Then Navys funding went up after this mysteriously...almost as if they LET IT HAPPEN to SCARE INVESTORS into giving them more money.

Oh they knew they were there for sure. otherwise they would had ran into it.
Diesels are not silent at all even with the new baffling. and we know the Iranian subs arent as advanced as the chinese subs. Its not wartime and they are considered a non threat at this time(the iranians) SO what you cite as not being able to be detected is the US navy not CARING to look for them.

Loud farting noise hides the video of the Aussie sub owning the US Navy.

a reply to: buddah6

Mate the most advanced AD system Syria owns is the old S-200 built decades ago and has undergone no upgrade whatsoever. its a pretty crappy AD system with no upgrades.

S-300 in Syria belongs to Russians and is Operated by them too. all tomahawks were tracked by Russians all the way to their target. so there goes your bubble.

Comparing Iran to Syria is a mere joke but you can do it if it pleases you.

www.janes.com...
www.tasnimnews.com...

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: intrptr

WHy launch a aerial invasion when we can launch a saturation strike overwhelming the defenses instead? Haman I respect ya but the US dont have to invade to cause Iran serious harm. destroying the infrastucture,military bases and fuel refineries would work so much better. that and stopping all food and water production as well. then the US and allies just sit back and blockade iran until they either starve or surrender.

That might work if all those AD systems we have are over-run. if they do, i don't know what will keep us from Flattening Israel, Using our proxies all around the world to attack US military bases and closing the most important waterway in the world-the Persian Gulf.

Where do you want to launch the attack from? Iraq? its our proxy now. Afghanistan? our proxy state as well. PG arab states? i promise you they will NEVER cooperate with that. not because they don't like it, but because we will end them.

From east (bangladesh which is thousands of KMs far from us and has millions of people who are ready to die for Iran) to West (lebanon), Asian countries are either our proxies or are scared #less of Iran.

Its so sad that you have no idea what you're talking about.

if you think that US has not attacked Iran because they didn't have a reason to, you're entitled to your opinion. but we all know thats far from the truth.

have a nice day but a friendly advice bro: don't under-estimate your self-made enemies.

a reply to: haman10

The corollary of that is don't OVER estimate your own capabilities.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: haman10

The corollary of that is don't OVER estimate your own capabilities.

Yes, but over-estimation is always better than under-estimation.

the later leads to huge and needless wars whereas the former one makes you work harder and harder every day.

don't you think?