NBC: U.S. prepared to launch preemptive strike on North Korea

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: odzeandennz

I believe its next to the baby milk factory where the mobile biological warfare units are parked.

Eww... Those savages milk babies?!

a reply to: jtma508

They have five SSBM capable submarines currently in service, with a new type in development.

Five. Would you care to bet on the odds that there isn't a USN, even RN, attack submarine parked in their baffles??

No one, save the Russians, plays the submarine game as well as the USN, and the Royal Navy. Both navies have been playing this game, and winning, for nearly 3/4's of a century...I dare say the problem of China's ballistic missile capable submarines has been addressed by folks much more knowledgeable than you or I.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Us doesnt test nukes anymore just their delivery systems

originally posted by: Willtell

The problem with “devastating” N. Korea is that in the process Japan and S. Korea will be devastated too. Like millions of casualties.

Over what, a nuclear test.

This will hurt the whole west since Japan and South Korea are vital parts of our supply chains.

My best bet is they will drop another MOAB, this time on the Punggye-ri nuclear test site in NK.

38north.org...

Deliverable by a B2 from a base in Guam or Japan.


www.militaryaerospace.com...
okinawa.stripes.com...

a reply to: dovdov

we can certainly hope so. Its important to launch a pre emptive strike against little Kimmy. Little kimmy is a threat to the free world and should defiantly be stricken down in a thunderclap of american might.

a reply to: seagull
So we'll kill all five before a single SLBM is launched? You willing to guarantee that to the people in the target area?

If NK did attempt a nuclear strike against the U.S., would it be by air or submarine?
Could we stop it?
If it was by water, would the materials used finish off the Pacific?

edit: Just heard they (NK) have up to 60 nukes, and we can't have a first strike because there are no guarantees we could take them all out.

People who know him are saying we are seeing his good side. He is even more dangerous than he appears.
This is starting to make me nervousssss

One damn thing is for sure. Trump doesn't need to make ANOTHER move without congress.

a reply to: angeldoll

Currently? No, they've no way, other than conventional aircraft, to reach the continental U.S.. Their ballistic missiles might, might reach Alaska or Guam, but no closer, unless they've had a breakthrough.

However, they certainly can reach South Korea and Japan, not to mention Eastern Russia and China. All of which would doom them to catastrophic retaliation.

North Korea has talked like this, save for the nuclear aspect, for over half a century plus. He, meaning little Un, may be insane, but he's not actively suicidal, or so we hope...it's unlikely that he's going to attack anyone. Certainly not with nukes. In the event he's losing a conventional war, then I'm fairly sure all bets would be off...

a reply to: jtma508

Nope. Odds are good, but not 100 percent...nothing is.

What, in your opinion, should be done?

a reply to: angeldoll

It's kinda his job. Commander in chief.

Go to Congress if he can? Of course. However, things can develop in such a fashion, and in such a speed, as to make that impossible.

We have to trust that he, and his advisers, not to mention the military itself, will make the right decisions.

a reply to: seagull

We have to trust that he, and his advisers, not to mention the military itself, will make the right decisions.

I ran out of trust shortly after the 2016 Presidential campaign started. Haven't been able to get it back.

a reply to: angeldoll

Then you're better off than I. I'm going on three decades plus.

We really aren't supposed to trust them, at least not blindly... But in a situation that's fast moving and liable to change in hours? We really don't have a choice.

That would be the main reason that we, as voters and citizens who don't want to glow in the dark, should take a bit more interest in who's butt is in the big chair.

originally posted by: slider1982

originally posted by: dovdov
a reply to: crazyewok

Trump (barely) won the election. People are scared.

Mate, any percentage "over" the amount needed is wasted effort. A win is a win a pass is a pass......

I agree that a "win is a win", but my reason for making the statement I did is that Mr. Trump is laboring under a delusion. All along he has believed that his win was monumental, and a clear mandate from the American people supporting his agenda. But the unbiased facts show that this is absolutely not the case. When you get down to the details the reality is that in five states Hillary Clinton lost by 10,000 to 85,000 votes depending on the state. That is a very tiny margin. In fact those numbers are well within the margin of votes received by the third party candidates. But the most disturbing fact is that in six states the number of residents who did not vote exceeded the number who did, and California was one of them. Voter apathy has always been a problem, but it really showed itself this last election. Most people figured Hillary was going to win anyway so they didn't bother to vote, and besides that they were sick to death of the entire rancorous campaign, hating both candidates equally.

When you have a man who has convinced himself of something which is not true it is incredibly annoying. But when you have a world leader who has convinced himself that he has more support than he actually does then we enter dangerous territory because he can then justify in his own mind the things he does because, after all, "I have the country behind me".

Having a POTUS who was an "outsider" could have been a good thing. Sadly, that wasn't the case here. Trump is so emotionally unstable (as clearly shown by his own tweets and inflammatory comments which have scared people around the globe) that it is not out of the realm of likelihood that he will start a war with North Korea. But if Japan is hit the entire global economy will go into the tank. Just think about what happened about ten years ago when the Nikkei stock fell dramatically. It had ripples throughout the entire global economy which then was followed by the NYSE crash of 2008 and the subsequent "Great Recession". Imagine what would happen if Tokyo is DESTROYED and millions annihilated in a nuclear blast. The economy will crash and the world will suffer.

Ball is in your court Nk.

a reply to: Willtell

Thats the problem. Many of the Americans here (not myself) like Snarl and others could care less. If Japan and South Korea get destroyed which they will, people such as them wont give a # because it isnt their homes or innocent families and friends who will be obliterated. I guess they dont realize where most of the technology we utilize to do things like post on ATS here in the west is manufactured.

I also guess they dont give a flying toss about part of US military or their families either. Do they realize how many troops are stationed in South Korea? Do they realize those troops are blantanly informed that they are there to act as nothing more than a brief speed bump to slow down N. Korea HOPEFULLY long enough for reenforcements to arrive to any life if the war goes hot again?

The artillery alone will kill 90% of everything down south in the first hour. No nukes necesarry. And no we could not stop it.

originally posted by: lightedhype
a reply to: Willtell

Thats the problem. Many of the Americans here (not myself) like Snarl and others could care less. If Japan and South Korea get destroyed which they will, people such as them wont give a # because it isnt their homes or innocent families and friends who will be obliterated.

Actually, we do care. That's why we want to stop Lil Kim, because if we don't, eventually he will attack SK or Japan. They are the ones who want Kim gone the most, they are the ones most vulnerable to Kim. We should help our allies in the region, and doing nothing and allowing NK to gain nukes would be the opposite of helping.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

I can agree with that. I just think something like an assassination or repeated ones or more negotiations and a deal with China is smarter than bombing them. Especially with nukes. NK or those other countries i meantioned are not worth getting into a war with China. There will be blood stateside if that happens.

It is a tough call.

a reply to: dovdov

It really does not matter what the margin was, or even what he thinks it might have been, or any other permutation of reality.

We've no real choice but to trust that he's going to make the best decision possible. Who else is going to?

originally posted by: lightedhype
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

I can agree with that. I just think something like an assassination or repeated ones or more negotiations and a deal with China is smarter than bombing them. Especially with nukes. NK or those other countries i meantioned are not worth getting into a war with China. There will be blood stateside if that happens.

It is a tough call.

We've tried that for decades, and things have only gotten worse. China won't back North Korea, Lil Kim has been a big problem for them, which is why you see China backing off their support for NK. If we do take action in NK, you can be sure China and our allies in the region are on board with it.