I am a fan of science, but the Big Bang doesn't seem realitstic to me.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: droid56

I'm skeptical of the big bang theory. Seems impossible that everything came from a single point.

In the future, people will probably look at the big bang theory like they do the flat earth believers of past centuries.

Nothing wrong with that, continued understanding of reality is always good.

It's just hindered by people who believe in things with no testable data. IE; god.

And for anyone who looks at all the data for how the universe started, it's obvious to conclude it has done so more than once. And in fact, may have been the result of a different universe having a singularity so dense, it bled into a new universe, thus spewing faster than light, all the matter contained within it. who knows.

I don't go for the holographic or simulated universe. just seems too based on our contemporary understanding of either concepts. which falls back on your point, flat earther stuff..

a reply to: booyakasha

Big Bang theory perpetuates the idea that, "this is all just kinda pointless so *&^% it lets party."

Rather than, we have a responsibility to our fellow humans and the earth to do what we can to help them.

That is what is known as a false dichotomy. It is a fallacy.

Ideas are boundless. There are more than two.

a reply to: Phage

Your not that silly, it's generally one or the other.
There are not 7 billion different ideas

Booyakasha is right, there are basically just two ideas, two ideals

a reply to: Raggedyman

Booyakasha is right, there are basically just two ideas, two ideals

False.

For example, I don't care how the Universe started or how it will end.

I care a lot about my daughter, family, and friends. I think that what I do has effects beyond those which I observe and I care about that. I think about that. But I don't care how the Universe started or how it will end.

And, I know for a fact that I am not the only one who thinks that way.

The consciousness does not exist because the universe exists, the universe exists because the consciousness exists.
There are also other theories that fall into the 'big bang theory'
There's a theory that the big bang was caused by 2 universes colliding (5th dimension) and caused all the matter that exists in our universe to spill over.

But that background radiation image seems pretty solid, the big bang theory also explains why rarer elements are lower down on the periodic table and why hydrogen is the most common atom (because it's the simplest atom)

Everything began as a hydrogen atom, then came helium etc.

a reply to: GreenGunther

There's a theory that the big bang was caused by 2 universes colliding (5th dimension) and caused all the matter that exists in our universe to spill over.

You seem to be conflating string "theory" (collision of branes) with something else.

But I have been a fan of the 5th Dimension for a long time.
www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: droid56
I am a fan of science, but the Big Bang doesn't seem realitstic to me.

It is not.
Before you can accept such a counterintuitive and irrational theory, you have to accept that a Universe of 'physical matter, and non-physical, can be compressed into an area of space (or somewhere) too small to exist, and then, whammo...
Absurd, but 'beliefs' are unavailable for examination, and theory is built upon such insanity.
Nah, it is already a failed theory, like the 'multiverse'.
Want to hear one that does work?
It begins with 'make-believe', Reality!
Read my posts, you'll get the idea.
There is no 'solid matter', no 'motion'...
'Physical' is a matter of appearances of certain magnifications/Perspectives.

Believing in the premises of the Big Bang is akin to the pathological 'beliefs' necessary in any religion!
It appears that you still are capable of thought!
You GO!
Don't just swallow the BS everyone else is eating for lunch... *__-

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: GreenGunther
But I have been a fan of the 5th Dimension for a long time.

Wow! Back when Kenny Rogers could sing! *__-

a reply to: Phage

exactly. You care about you and your immediate surroundings.

I care about my friends and family, the earth, and humanity as a whole and where it is headed for future generations and incase there is reincarnation and i want to come back as another person in the future.

This all ties into the people running the show making the masses believe that as long as their immediate surroundings are good, then there is nothing to worry about, all while destroying the earth and poisoning everything so they can make a buck.

a reply to: booyakasha

You care about you and your immediate surroundings.

You don't read so good, do you?

and incase there is reincarnation and i want to come back as another person in the future.

That seems self-centered. Your motivation to do good is based on your own desire for a reward?

originally posted by: rickymouse
I can't believe it is possible to figure out how the universe was really formed from the dinky spot of dust we live on. They have made it up, it may be partly true, but probably not. It is consensus of the time that forms reality, not truth. So if everyone is conned into believing something that is impossible to figure out for sure, then it is reality. Once it is deemed reality, you have to prove it is false, none of us can possibly do that at this time.

Precisely what i wanted to say

a reply to: droid56

... and it expanded faster than the speed of light but then slowed back down and is now barely expanding at all.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

Booyakasha is right, there are basically just two ideas, two ideals

False.

For example, I don't care how the Universe started or how it will end.

I care a lot about my daughter, family, and friends. I think that what I do has effects beyond those which I observe and I care about that. I think about that. But I don't care how the Universe started or how it will end.

And, I know for a fact that I am not the only one who thinks that way.

FALSE
I can do that louder, does that make me better than you?

You may well think that way as I am sure a few others do, doesn't make it the general consensus does it


and you don't care how it started? Wow!
How it will end, sounds like you don't really care for anyone
Sounds like you are in neutral, sounds like your brain hasn't engaged

Philosophy, for losers I guess?
Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Plato, Arostotle, Aquinas, Confuscious, Paul, Joan Baez, mere humbugs, irrelevant nobody's

Sorry that it's all irrelevant to you, so irrelevant you need to throw your weight around in this thread

Let me ponder a reason for that
Bitterness?

Its totally plausible and theres evidence all around us quantum mechanics proves this. The univers literally created energy from nothing hence the pairs if you have 1 + you will have 1 - to cancel it out. So the universe can literally create something from nothing as a pair.

Neil deGrasse Tyson did a great episode of this on his pod cast,

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: booyakasha

You care about you and your immediate surroundings.

You don't read so good, do you?

and incase there is reincarnation and i want to come back as another person in the future.

That seems self-centered. Your motivation to do good is based on your own desire for a reward?

And you care about your family, why?
Talk about self centered mess, imdeed you are shallow

Maybe it's time to ponder some philosophy, it's not just about passing on your genes, lookin after your own?
Your philosophy indicates it is just about you and yours, calling someone else self centered, irony..

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: droid56
So the whole future universe existed on less than the head of a pin.

And life wasn't present, but then there it was.

And dark energy and dark matter make up 95% of all matter but we cant see it. OK. Really?

I suspect we live in a computer simulation so all of the rules of physics do not apply.

The universe might be expanding too quickly but that might be a product of a simulation.

So your a creationist thinking god was bored and wrote a video game?? And you can't believe in science and creationism is more realistic ????

Simulation does not imply video game.

A "science" that is ultimately founded upon some unscientific principles is not true science until irrational beliefs are either explained or discarded.

If matter cannot move faster than light then superluminal inflation is a nonsense.

If all of material expanded from a singularity, and the entire universe is expanding, how can blue outliers (galaxies at vast distances from us that are blue-shifted) exist? Surely in an expanding universe, the further away objects are from each other, the faster objects recede form us. To be shifted to the blue end of the spectrum with velocities approaching the speed of light implies that they are moving counter to other stars and galaxies in their region at many times the speed of light. That can't happen. So the redshifts and blueshifts observed are probably NOT telling us about optical Doppler effects.

Our ideas of what may happen inside the Swartzchild radius of a black hole is entirely speculative and even the math falls apart.

I could go on.

Our "Science" is as mythological as any other story we may use to explain the origins of what we observe.

a reply to: booyakasha

OK you seem confused yes atoms have a lot of empty space but they have these electrons that move really fast. So around an atom at any given time is an electron. Electrons are the key to everything really. For example they are the reason you can pick an object up.

Electrons are dancing around in our atom but only so many are allowed to dance. When an atom doesn't have enough it attempt's to steal them. ri g to atoms close enough and our electron's are actually moving so fast they appear to fill both atoms. But here's the key in order to bring these two atoms closer we need to move an electron to a higher energy state. Lucky for us we can't push hard enough with a hand to do that meaning we can pick up onjects.

originally posted by: booyakasha
a reply to: Phage

Maybe if everyone realized that we really actually were all one consciousness, we could stop killing and raping each other?

Maybe we could get a long and work as a team instead of rich pinning poor against poor.

Big Bang theory perpetuates the idea that, "this is all just kinda pointless so *&^% it lets party."

Rather than, we have a responsibility to our fellow humans and the earth to do what we can to help them.

It completely rips spirituality out of the picture and is where the term YOLO comes from. Not only is it backwards but it's created to control the world view of humanity.

Umm, if we were all one consciousness, differences of opinion could not occur.

So, therefore we aren't all one consciousness - simple.

a reply to: chr0naut

Well there is part of your misunderstanding I see during the big bang matter didn't travel faster than light. Shocked by that aren't you??what,happened is the space between matter expanded. Oddly the distance between objects doesn't change at all unless they are in motion. BUT THE SPACE BETWEEN TWO OBJECTS CAN EXPAND. So even say galaxies are in the same relative position from everything else since the beginning.

a reply to: chr0naut

I always find it funny when pepole try to turn physics into some new age mumbo jumbo.