Putin declares Syria gas attack a false flag; says more are coming

a reply to: face23785

The whole US propaganda clique is alligned ... that should make their statement true ?

What was their take on Powell's statement ?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: face23785

The whole US propaganda clique is alligned ... that should make their statement true ?

What was their take on Powell's statement ?

No one appears to have asked Powell whether he'd like to clarify his statements in light of the fact that soldiers received chemical burns from handling the weapons. Convenient for the conspiracy theorists isn't it? They were there. There's plenty of evidence they were there. There's people who were exposed to them. These are the facts and you cannot dispute them without crying "fake news" with zero evidence to back yourself up. You're trapped in a cyclical self-delusion where any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative is "disinformation" and the truth can never be known. You enjoy your fantasies. I'll be over here in the real world.

Back on topic, none of this changes the fact that Russia's story doesn't hold water.

a reply to: face23785

Powell realised he was the stooge of the warmongers and he had regrets ... that how I see it.
Conveniently, all those who push the other narrative chosed to dismiss his statement.

The US official version doesn't hold water either.
Things are not black or white but more likely grey :

A Quick Turnaround Assessment of the White House Intelligence Report Issued on April 11, 2017About the Nerve Agent Attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria.

What is sure, is that the previous erroneous statement from Powell is back to haunt him :



Even your Vietnam war was triggered thanks to a false flag : Gulf of Tonkin incident
And when it is not a false flag, you don't take appropriate action : USS Liberty

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: face23785

Powell realised he was the stooge of the warmongers and he had regrets ... that how I see it.
Conveniently, all those who push the other narrative chosed to dismiss his statement.

The US official version doesn't hold water either.
Things are not black or white but more likely grey :

A Quick Turnaround Assessment of the White House Intelligence Report Issued on April 11, 2017About the Nerve Agent Attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria.

What is sure, is that the previous erroneous statement from Powell is back to haunt him :

Even your Vietnam war was triggered thanks to a false flag : Gulf of Tonkin incident
And when it is not a false flag, you don't take appropriate action : USS Liberty

Clever, posting a response to a white house intelligence summary, which by nature doesn't contain all of the evidence and is only a summary product. This guy doesn't address the actual intelligence report and doesn't address any of the additional public evidence, just goes after the one thing he thinks is low-hanging fruit. Nor does he address the problems with the Russia story. Also, some of the evidence he claims shows it was an attack from the ground is actually evidence it was carried out by the air force, such as the timing of the attack to coincide with the best weather conditions, which is something air forces routinely do. Not sure ISIS or AQ have weather divisions. His claims about the dispenser sound plausible, until you realize this would've been the first thing Russia presented to counter the US claims. They didn't. They claimed the chemical was dispersed by the Syrian air force accidentally bombing a storage site where sarin was present. In their rush to put out a cover story and start the false flag nonsense, they debunked themselves.

a reply to: face23785

Hence my previous statement ... It's neither black nor white, it's gray ...

But if a MIT research paper is too good for you, I can maybe suggest you a web comic strip maker.

The Syrian Gas Attack Persuasion

According to the mainstream media – that has been wrong about almost everything for a solid 18 months in a row – the Syrian government allegedly bombed its own people with a nerve agent.

The reason the Assad government would bomb its own people with a nerve agent right now is obvious. Syrian President Assad – who has been fighting for his life for several years, and is only lately feeling safer – suddenly decided to commit suicide-by-Trump. Because the best way to make that happen is to commit a war crime against your own people in exactly the way that would force President Trump to respond or else suffer humiliation at the hands of the mainstream media.

And how about those pictures coming in about the tragedy. Lots of visual imagery. Dead babies. It is almost as if someone designed this “tragedy” to be camera-ready for President Trump’s consumption. It pushed every one of his buttons. Hard. And right when things in Syria were heading in a positive direction.

- Interesting timing.
- Super-powerful visual persuasion designed for Trump in particular.
- Suspiciously well-documented event for a place with no real press.
- No motive for Assad to use gas to kill a few dozen people at the cost of his entire regime. It wouldn’t be a popular move with Putin either.
- The type of attack no U.S. president can ignore and come away intact.
- A setup that looks suspiciously similar to the false WMD stories that sparked the Iraq war.

I’m going to call BS on the gas attack. It’s too “on-the-nose,” as Hollywood script-writers sometimes say, meaning a little too perfect to be natural. This has the look of a manufactured event.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Yes, it was a man made event. Nice for you to notice. So, where was the chemicals obtain and who deployed them?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

More to the point, where was the chemical weapons manufactured, how where they shipped, who and how was the release coordinated?

a reply to: neutronflux

The nature of the chemical itself is disputed : sarin, chlorine gas, something else.
That why a independent investigation should be necessary.
But the PR management of the event seems to be more important that the accuracy of the reporting.

Moscow calls for transparent investigation of Syria chemical incident

MOSCOW, April 14. /TASS/. Moscow is opposed to the remote work of experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in Syria, and an investigation into the April 4 incident in the city of Khan Sheikhoun, Idlib province, should be transparent, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Friday.

"Another strange thing about this story. The US began demanding full access not only to al-Shayrat airfield (Homs province - TASS) but to other facilities as well, for some reason," he noted. "Yesterday (on April 13) at the meeting of the OPCW Executive Council, the organization’s senior officials began to say, "No, we should only investigate the April 4 incident in Idlib, there is no need to go to the airfield." I cannot understand why, the more so since the US initially demanded to examine this airfield, and the Syrian government is ready to accept such an inspection."

"Such inconsistencies make us confident that there is something shady about the whole affair," Lavrov went on to say. "When we say that the scene of the incident should be visited, we are told that the samples had already been taken. Taken by whom? When?"

a reply to: AgarthaSeed


Here we have an ex Mossad officer, which tells you what you are up against. It seems he is actually coming out because he fears for the state of Israel. So it seems we have another layer on the cake, which confuses things even more.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: neutronflux

The nature of the chemical itself is disputed : sarin, chlorine gas, something else.
That why a independent investigation should be necessary.
But the PR management of the event seems to be more important that the accuracy of the reporting.

That's funny, the guy you cited as evidence that it was a false flag said it was pretty much indisputable that sarin was used. Do you believe that guy or not? Or only on stuff you already want to believe?

a reply to: face23785

"When we say that the scene of the incident should be visited, we are told that the samples had already been taken. Taken by whom? When?"

Would you consider that the result of any upcoming analysis should be considered as undisputable in such circumstances ?

a reply to: anonentity

Hilary Clinton won't contradict you :

I thought Russia was the good guys and are more trust worthy than any American news outlets, or was that only during the election...? When there was threads after threads asking why 'should' we hate Russia...

Or was it all the results of the successful propaganda machine on the gullible mentalists during the election season...

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
Hilary Clinton won't contradict you :

They received their orders 9/13 (2001). Hillabilly knows them, of cause.

* Bomb identified terrorist training camps and facilities in any country harboring terrorists. Interdict the supply lines to terrorist organizations, including but not limited to those between Damascus and Beirut that permit Iran to use Lebanon as a terrorist base.

(From - JINSA: This Goes Beyond Bin Laden
Sep 13, 2001, 01:00 ET from Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs)
www.prnewswire.com...

Bushs neocons made the "7 countries in 5 years" plan after this.



Bush stopped it when it came to Iran. Whyever.

Third entity - interresting. Israel is a flat definition. I can imagine a globalist organization inside many countries and institutions.
Like a happy family tree: almost forgotten
Not to mention islamists and the Interests of many muslim countries with Israel being the final destination!

www.nbcnews.com...

Assad Calls Video of Chemical Attack 'Fabrication'

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But US intel intercepted communications from military sources in Syria prepping for the chemical attack.

Putin and Assad are both lying about the source of the attack. It was Syrian government forces.

The Trump administration took the unusual step Tuesday of unveiling intelligence discrediting Russia’s attempts to shield its ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, from blame in last week’s deadly chemical attack.
The newly released details of a U.S. intelligence assessment, which officials said demonstrated Syrian culpability in the April 4 assault that killed at least 70 people, added to rapidly escalating tensions with the Kremlin and signaled a move away from hopes for U.S. rapprochement with Russia. Officials said their case against the Syrian government included signals and aerial intelligence — combined with local reporting and samples taken from victims of the attack — that showed a Russian-made, Syrian-piloted SU-22 aircraft dropped at least one munition carrying the nerve agent sarin.

www.washingtonpost.com... 09e7f75c-1ed6-11e7-a0a7-8b2a45e3dc84_story.html?utm_term=.fa6c1c7eab32

originally posted by: Miracula2
...The newly released details of a U.S. intelligence assessment, which officials said demonstrated Syrian culpability in the April 4 assault that killed at least 70 people, added to rapidly escalating tensions with the Kremlin...

Could you please provide a link to that "intelligence assessment". I would like to analyze it. Didnt find it somewhere, so i begin doubting its existance.

THX in advance.

originally posted by: Miracula2
Putin and Assad are both lying about the source of the attack. It was Syrian government forces.

Where can we read / hear the intel?

I think Putin is right to call the international court in The Hague to examine this case.

"On the investigation into the chemical attack, Mr Putin said: “We plan to turn to the United Nations bodies in The Hague and call on the global community to thoroughly investigate into this incident and make balanced decisions based on the investigation’s outcome.”"

www.independent.co.uk...