30 years after the fall of the Soviet Iron Curtain, another one projected to exist in North America

originally posted by: prevenge

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Total bull#. The Iron curtain kept their Soviet citizens from escaping the tyranny of communist rule. Trumps wall is keeping illegals out so they have to immigrate the legal way like everyone else in the history of this nation did.

A pure piece of Russian propaganda.

Walls don't work both ways?
Trumps wall could easily be used to prevent escape from the US.

Why would you want to escape?

Why would not fight tooth an nail to preserve the funamental freedoms guaranteed under the constitution.

I'd die fighting to predict the freedoms of all political stripes in the US before I'd go anywhere.

And that is the difference between me, and the people streaming across the border.

a reply to: CoramDeo

Really, the cost of medical attention in any point of the border is practically half the cost of here, even counting with good health insurances at hand here.

Think in what could be to try to find and pay emergency rooms, try to do it with Hospitals saturated of trauma patients in a national calamity scenario.

You need to live close to the frontier to know that practically No body in middle class social level prefer to consume American Health services living at 50 miles of the border.

Many Mexican cities along the border provide professional dentistry, medical, surgery and even laboratory or pharmaceutical services to millions of Americans at extremely affordable costs. If that occurs living in normality conditions figure what will occur under a catastrophic event.

Don't think even what could be to try to get money enough to reconstruct your house, apartment or place of work at national costs after a disaster when the factories would be destroyed too and the insurance companies absolutely overwhelmed of claims.

In such a case all construction materials would be also up to 40% cheaper if are bought in the other side, including of course the fuel to bring them here.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: CoramDeo

It is indeed to promote isolation, all European countries have strong sense of sovereighnity and even none of them think into build a Chinese wall to feel that they have it.

We have just seen in 2018 German courts rejecting the extradiction request of Spain over the former Catalonian President for a crime of rebeldy. In 1990s England courts rejected to approve extradition of the Chilean Former Dictator Pinochet to Spain. That is sovereignty at the extreme.

There is too much hypocresy in this discussion to blame the neighbor country for our issues. If you are like Our President, working in the construction industry for an entire life of course your personal dream is to build the Chinese wall, but that is Not necessarily the best for a country.

I mentioned the very affordable health care services that the Mexican border sell to millions of Americans, somebody replied that we have excellent capability to do so alone, well those Mexican Dentists, Physicians, nurses and pharmacologists are in their immense majority educated in Universities in this side.

Many good Universities and Colleges in this side of the border needs of the Mexican students, they represent upto 80% of their international students and easily 50% of their student population, since they are the only ones really motivated to buy education especially at graduate level in that geographical area.

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: CoramDeo

Excuse me but the great majority of the stocks analysts can Not be all wrong, the month that just have ended was the very worst one in the market in the last decade.

The behavior reveal incredible nervousism in the investors, a lot of uncertainty is felt at all levels. Instability in a market is Not a positive factor to maintain investment, who feels attraction to gain today 30% if tomorrow you can lose 40% or even more?

You can say what ever want to try to make up that but I trust the people that have monitored the Dow for years and wall street journal or New York times publish periodically.

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: CoramDeo

Excuse me but the great majority of the stocks analysts can Not be all wrong, the month that just have ended was the very worst one in the market in the last decade.

The behavior reveal incredible nervousisms in the investors, a lot of uncertainty is felt at all levels.

You can say what ever want to try to make up that but I trust the people that have monitored the Dow for years and wall street journal or New York times publish periodically.

The Angel of Lightness

You have two things at play here.

First, October and November are historically, almost with absolute certainly, the worst months for the stock market.

Second, with an elelction year and the possibility of chance in one or both chambers of congress, the market is always going to pull back. The big boys plaing the game are hedging their bets, moving money from one investment class to the next depending on how they read the tea leaves. So yes, there is going to be more volatility.

Still, you said that the "experts" are saying things are bad in the market. Well, that's probably because they placed bad bets. Tech stocks took a beating, and so did financial institutions, but that's just the effect of panic over the Trump Tarriffs, which will be settled by the first of the year anyway. And banks are taking a beating because the fed hiked interest rates, and less people are borrowing for big items like cars, and homes.

Every underlying fundamental is looking pretty sweet right now. Jobs up, GDP up, inflation mostly flat, even with energy. Oh, and energy output is up, wages are up, etc. The only thing tha is up that shouldn't be is the interest rates set by the Federal reserve. Not necessary in the face of flat rates of inflation.

Here is why I don't trust "your people". Because there is a 70% chance that their employers on the TeeVee are liberal Debbie Downers trying to affect the outcome of the election, and they are committing lies by omission. I'll just be blunt, if the people that you get your financial news and opinion from are down on this economy, you are being misled. Point blank. Looking at one or two bad months in the narrow context of losses in a sector of the economy is not going to give you the whole picture.

My apologies for spitting this out quick and dirty. I'm veering way off topic.

Every sovereign nation has a right to enforce their borders.

Just like every citizen has a right to lock their door to protect their family.

Being against Globalism is not the same as Isolationism.

A Nationalist believes in the rights of ones own nation and citizens determining their own policies and laws. A nationalist believes in trade with other nations which is equitable to both, not forced on one or the other.

Socialist revolutions are born from being fed up the corruption within their government. Most, if not all, socialist revolutions prove that the issue is not corrected by the socialist leaders, it only changes whose bank account the money from that corruption goes into.

We may indeed see a new American Iron Curtain in 2019. I think that it would more likely come from the newly elected Mexican Presidente, "ANLO", rather than D.J. Trump. Trump wants big doors in his wall. ANLO may only want a half dozen or so, Checkpoint Charlie's, in his wall.
To me, Venezuela is starting to look more and more like one of Lenin's contrived famines, required to purify his revolution, of any remnants of capitalism. We will learn after Dec. 1st, which way old ANLO wants to dance.