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a reply to: dannylightning

They would have if they didn't know about any balloon ops in the area and maybe thought that it was some Russian stuff.

But believers are going to believe and any non-alien explanation is irrelevant.

originally posted by: Night Star
a reply to: deuceawesome

Darn, the video you posted is blocked in my Country.

I use Opera's VPN to get around these kind of things.
Works a treat.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: dannylightning

Wasn't the " Roswell UFO " smashed into small debris ?

How then could there have been a " Ship " ?

It has been surmised that the Roswell crash was not one but two disk.

The rancher said that he heard an explosion during the electrical storm. The next morning he found debris scattered in a line across a flat field. Later, several miles away a nearly intact disk was found run up against a ridge. So it is possible that one disk was hit by lightning and parts of it may have hit the second disk. Or both disk were hit but one so badly that it disintegrated.

No one will ever know why there was a crash for sure, because the only ones who may have known for sure died in the crash. Well, all but one, but was he talking?

What we know is that the army did not shoot down the crafts, with radar or anything else, because they did not even know there was a crash. We know that it was not some secret weapon that crashed because no one was looking for any secret aircraft or balloon that had crashed. Because no secret aircraft had crashed or gone missing. The military only became aware of these disks because of the civilians.

According to all the eyewitness accounts the material that made up the craft was not human made and the occupants of the craft were small and not human. Compare that to the military’s lie that you could buy the balloon material in any drug store (obviously not top secret and worth threatening civilian lives over) and that the occupants were 6 foot crash test dummies.

The debris field was so large and dense that the ranchers sheep refused to cross thru it to get to their water and he had to take them a mile out of the way to get them to their water. This debris field was three quarters of a mile long and nearly three hundred feet wide, way too massive to be accounted for by a Mogul balloon or any other kind of balloon. And it was also too massive to allow for a disk to have been recovered basically intact as eye witnesses have described.

This is why it has been surmised that there were 2 disk.

What is interesting is that the rancher said that there were little men and that they were not green.
So did the rancher see these little men in the debris field, or did he go to the second site where civilians said there were five little men?

And what about the sheriff? He is known to have gone to the debris field too. His granddaughter says that her grandmother said that her husband had seen the little men. So did he see them at the debris field or at the second site?

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: dannylightning

They would have if they didn't know about any balloon ops in the area and maybe thought that it was some Russian stuff.

But believers are going to believe and any non-alien explanation is irrelevant.

When even the skeptics title their articles things like Aliens in Roswell, do the non-alien explanations really have a chance?

If you believe Jesse Marcel, he says the debris was "not from this earth" but it was debris he and all the other credible witnesses described, not a single ship. As the linked article indicates, the multiple crash site fantasies try to inject something other than the debris Marcel described and were invented decades after the real events with no supporting evidence. It also explains some supporting evidence for some of the claims of alien bodies but it turns out to be more mundane.

unfortunately i think the only ones that will ever truly know the whole story are the ones that were actually there or the people that delt directly and worked with what was recovered from the crash..

Roswell is a 20th century myth and becomes whatever you want to make of it. Many elements of the 'Aztec UFO crash story from 1948 seem to have seeped into the modern retellings of the Roswell story.

In 1947 it was considered one of the least credible cases during a large UFO wave that year. It gets barely a mention in Project Bluebook. Most of the UFO literature only gives brief mentions of the case.

Even in the late 1960s the Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 dismissed the case as

... If a report wasn’t an out-and-out hoax, it was an embarrassingly obvious mistake. One of those mistakes, given the widest possible publicity, had its origins near Roswell, New Mexico, when a farmer named William W. ("Mac") Brazel discovered the wreckage of a disc on his ranch near Corona, early in July. After hearing news broadcasts of flying saucer reports, Brazel, who had stored pieces of the disc in a barn, notified the Sheriff's Office in Roswell, who, in turn, notified Major Jesse A. Marcel, of the Roswell Army Air Field intelligence office. The remnants of the disc were taken to Roswell Field for examination. Through a series of clumsy blunders in public relations, and a desire by the press to manufacture a crashed disc if none would obligingly crash of itself, the story got blown up out of all proportions that read "Crashed Disc Found in New Mexico."

That is until the late 1970s when Jesse Marcel, the 1947 RAAF base intelligence officer went public. Even he never mentioned aliens or even anything other than debris.



A number of witnesses like Glenn Dennis and Frank Kaufman were shown to have fabricated their stories. None of the 'memory metal' ever surfaced and the case relies almost purely on anecdotal material. There are no photos of the debris field or anything other than the photos released to the press at the time.



But the legend lives on. The evidence leads to the fact that something fell to earth in late June/early July 1947, on the Foster Ranch, 30 miles south of Corona, New Mexico. That the rancher William ‘Mac’ Brazel took some of the debris into Roswell after hearing about a possible reward for recovering a ‘flying disk’.

Then Major Jesse Marcel , Captain Sheridan Cavitt and MSgt Lewis S. Rickett followed Brazel the 70 miles or so from Roswell back to the ranch to inspect and recover the remaining debris. On July 8th the Roswell Army Air Field Public Information Office brazenly announced they had recovered a flying disk. A day later that announcement had been ‘corrected’ to debris being nothing more than a weather balloon. In the 1990s that was corrected again to being a Mogul balloon.

Whatever came down on the Foster Ranch back in 1947 it certainly alerted the US military. After that we've had 50 years of reports. Reports that seemed to have faded in this century. However the cultural significance of Roswell (since the 1980s) cannot be underestimated no matter what you believe.

Project Bluebook was phony. It was part of the cover up. They were not going to spend time on the most important cases as they were trying to close those ideas down pronto.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Project Bluebook was phony. It was part of the cover up. They were not going to spend time on the most important cases as they were trying to close those ideas down pronto.

So by the end of 1947, when a group of analysts at at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and part of the ‘Air Technical Intelligence Center’ (ATIC) had concluded that UFOs were something interplanetary this was phony? Or when Ed Ruppelt was at the helm and introduced serious methodology and organised reporting systems this was phony?

In later years (post-1953) Bluebook's objectives appeared to have been to dampen public interest. But certainly not in the early years.