Pat Tillman , Jessica Lynch and Now Syria?!??!

I'm gonna freely admit that I haven't put a whole lotta research into this and it is really just forming in my head..plus I'm at work and don't have time for an indepth post, but wanted to put this out there..

I have recently been turned on to the pat Tillman and Jessica lynch "conspiracies"..

I put conspiracy in quotes because all of this has been admitted by the government..

So pat Tillman was the all pro NFL player who gave up a 3.7 million dollar contract to enlist after 911... He was then quickly adopted by the media and US military as their poster boy..and you can literally not buy that kind of patriatism..

He becomes the figure head for the militaries recruitment effort and a household name over night..

Well appearently pat was far smarter than I..

He was not fooled at all by the Muslim shell game the bush administration pulled with Iraq.. banking in the fact the American people would just assume Iraq and Afghanistan were the same place..

He was quoted calling Iraq an "illegal war" and regularly bashed the war effort and bush administration amongst his friends and family...

Maybe even (haven't really been able to verify this part,but) was reported to have been in touch with anti war big wigs and was going to publicly attack the bush administration upon release from the army.


He was even involved in the Jessica lynch rescue which he also blasted as a farce to friends and family (more later)...

So then this guy who has become literally the definition of patiotism in real life and in the minds of most Americans is killed in Afghanistan...

The official story, backed by official reports from his squads mates is that he charged up a hill to chase off insurgents and was heroically killed by enemy fire..


This story is huge.. the news runs it 24/7 for over a week. The NFL puts on displays and he gets a posthumous silver star.


A month later the real story comes out and he was killed by friendly fire.. reportedly (haven't seen this part on a MSM) 3 shots to the head in a friendly fire incident after a road side explosion..

The military, bush administration and media had pushed a totally false story.. the reports from Tillmans squad mates were even falsified..


Now back to Jessica lynch.. reportedly she is rescued after being taken by the taliban. There is a daring seal team rescue , making her the first ever American soldier rescued in such a raid, and she is a national hero..

Again there is 24/7 coverage of the story all pushing the establishment story..

When the truth comes out , what actually happened was the taliban surrendered her to a civilian hospital before they left that town. Then the doctors called the US and told them she was safe and getting medical treatment, you can come pick her up whenever.....

The entire episode was orcastrated by the bush administration as propaganda...


Now with Syria, appearently they called the Russians and Syrians and told them they were bombing??!?

The Syrians moved all their planes and evacuated the airport?!?!

What?!?

So is this just another dog and pony show?!?

Yep a show for the Chinese President at Syria's expense.You forgot the 16 times we have killed Al Bagdhadi of ISIS

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Does that have anything to do with the NFL Networks' "A Football Life: Pat Tillman"? Because it's been running in loops on the NFL Network all day -- it's on now...

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Does that have anything to do with the NFL Networks' "A Football Life: Pat Tillman"? Because it's been running in loops on the NFL Network all day -- it's on now...

Only secondary..

Ran across an old joe Rohan video discussing it.. which led to Alex Jones take, and then the 60 min story and another documentary or 2.

The murder conspiracy is fascinating, but ignore that and just look at the lies they got caught in.. how is/was that not the biggest story ever...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I'm not going down the road that includes my thoughts on what happened to Pat Tillman. It only leads to anger and rage, but that's a whole separate topic and I won't derail this thread on you.

Here's an interesting factoid regarding the Jessica Lynch "rescue"... aside from the entire thing being nothing more than a publicity stunt. Ironically, Tillman wrote in a surviving journal about the mission the day before it took place and called it even then.

We leave tomorrow,'' Tillman wrote in a series of journal entries in Jon Krakauer's 'Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman,"

"This mission will be a P.O.W. rescue, a woman named Jessica Lynch. As awful as I feel for the fear she must face, and admire the courage I'm sure she's showing, I do believe this to be a big Public Relations stunt. Do not mistake me, I wish everyone in trouble to be rescued, but sending this many folks for a single low ranking soldier screams of media blitz. "

abcnews.go.com...

But back to my original point, the interesting factoid regarding the mission to get Lynch. Most people in their mid 20's and older know who Jessica Lynch is in my experience. How many of you have ever heard the names 2 other soldiers, Shoshana Johnson and Lori Piestewa? Quick show of hands... anyone?

Shoshana was shot through both ankles and captured along with Pfc Lynch but held at a separate location because Lynch was more severely wounded and needed a much higher level of care and treatment than a couple of through and through. en.m.wikipedia.org...

Lori however didn't fair as well and sustained a severe head injury as she attempted to flee the firefight at a high rate of speed when the Humvee, also carrying Pfc. Lynch and Specialist Johnson, as well as,' I believe, 3 Other soldiers who were killed when the Hummer was hit by an RPG. Pfc. Piestewa died several hours after being captured because there was no way to perform complex neurosurgery in a war zone when the hospital is running on auxiliary power and intermittent generators.

So why then is all the focus on Pfc. Lynch? Was it a more wholesome PR sell when they're marketing a cute, young, blonde Caucasian girl. I know... and it's ok to bash that. But I'm sincerely not trying to pull the race card here. But the fact is, 3 women were injured that day and had survived the initial attack. Everyone knows Lynch. They know the little white girl who needed to be rescued by Special Operators. As I asked earlier, how many people have ever heard the name Shoshana Johnson? Shoshana actually put up a fight against their attackers (hence her being shot twice) where Pfc Lynch's weapon is said to have immediately jammed. She sent not a single round down the barrel and in her own words dropped to her knees in prayer. Pfc Piestewa was the first Native American woman to be killed in combat serving in the U.S. armed forces and the first female soldier killed in our poorly planned Boy Scout Jamboree over in Iraq. That sounds like kind of a bigger deal than "rescuing" a girl who was safely under the care of Iraqi doctors whom had been attempting to arrange to have someone come get her for a couple of days. So sending in a JSOC team with video cameras to capture the whole event... erm, I meant dating rescue of a critically needed soldier from within territory still controlled by
hostiles!

I just thought it might be of interest to anyone who wants to know more about how bizarre the entire debacle actually was.

The propaganda form governments the world over is deep, dark, and stinky.

We at ATS find an article which fits or goes against our bias and post it with our opinions.. Some never once consider the article fake made up news or propaganda.. We are at a stage where those who have been around for a while (at least for me) do not truly believe hardly anything... but just accept the story being put forward is the company line the TPTB want you to believe especially if from a MSN organization like CNN, NYT, Washington Post etc etc.

Good post Op S&F an a few stars for the others who took the time to post their thoughts.

I guess I am cynical with any official story.. The Syrian gas attack being one of the latest. I had hoped Trump's administration would not be drawn into another BS set up and would work with the other parties to root out ISIS where ever they were found.. Joint effort... and all that would involve...but no.. here we are escalating a situation that can turn into a big pile of ca ca.

Tillman got screwed if any of the reports are correct about his actual death.. The rescue of Jessica from a hospital... WTG team !

a reply to: peter vlar

I have zero doubt they chose lynch for her looks...

Do you think it gets 24/7 coverage if it is a 250lb (super patriotic , very best of society has to offer) wilder beast of a woman??

originally posted by: 727Sky
The propaganda form governments the world over is deep, dark, and stinky.

We at ATS find an article which fits or goes against our bias and post it with our opinions.. Some never once consider the article fake made up news or propaganda.. We are at a stage where those who have been around for a while (at least for me) do not truly believe hardly anything... but just accept the story being put forward is the company line the TPTB want you to believe especially if from a MSN organization like CNN, NYT, Washington Post etc etc.

Good post Op S&F an a few stars for the others who took the time to post their thoughts.

I guess I am cynical with any official story.. The Syrian gas attack being one of the latest. I had hoped Trump's administration would not be drawn into another BS set up and would work with the other parties to root out ISIS where ever they were found.. Joint effort... and all that would involve...but no.. here we are escalating a situation that can turn into a big pile of ca ca.

Tillman got screwed if any of the reports are correct about his actual death.. The rescue of Jessica from a hospital... WTG team !

Tillman got screwed even if "they " didn't have him killed..

Best case they pooped all over his memory by using him for propaganda against his wil..

I think the Syria bombing was obviously staged.. most likely involving putin..

Trump prob called him up and said he was getting too much heat for the deal they made.. so they orcastrated this to deflect the news coverage.

a reply to: peter vlar

I respect and understand your reluctance to share your thoughts on what happened to Pat, BUT I loved to hear them if you change your mind. I was in college at the time and worked as a 'car prep' (I washed and cleaned the cars 85% of the time and would be the guy they sent to pick you up the other 15%) with Enterprise and always listened to the Jim Rome show in the car wash bay. Religiously. Jim was a huge Pat proponent. He never dug into the conspiracy side of Pat's story, but he's the (or his show) one who turned me onto Pat's story and the unanswered questions surrounding it.

At any rate, Pat's story is still difficult for me to digest and I really have a hard time understanding how the elite of the elite would 'accidentally' shoot another service member. It doesn't add up. Dying from 'friendly fire'? That seems just so oh, I don't know, hard to believe. So, if you get the time and energy, I would love to hear what your thoughts are on Tillman's death and the circumstances surrounding it. Thanks in advance.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

I have since found an AP article that verified he was killed from -35 yards and with 3 shots to the head..

How do you get 3 headshots in a friendly fire incident???

One headshot from friendly fire ?? Easy no problem.. prob happens all the time.


Two headshots? Unlikely , but crazier things have happened.

3 headshot?!?!

I really try to avoid going to the max on conspiracies.. there are no mustache twirling villains. Just the full spectrum of self motivated individuals..

For instance, did the government orchestrate 911 or did it they just use it for Iraq and such??

I'm usually falling on the "they just milked it for all they could.."

But this is super fishy..

And if it was a squad mate with a personal problem, why did the government cover it up??

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Wow, thank you sir for all that info on Pat Tillman. I knew some of it, but most of it was new to me, thank you again. I finished Rory Fanning's book, Worth Fighting For. A few honorable men.

It's so easy to understand what you're saying because once upon a time a long time ago I was the Awards Officer for my unit in Vietnam. They construct so many stories, and the public buys it so easily, they're conditioned.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Wow, thank you sir for all that info on Pat Tillman. I knew some of it, but most of it was new to me, thank you again. I finished Rory Fanning's book, Worth Fighting For. A few honorable men.

It's so easy to understand what you're saying because once upon a time a long time ago I was the Awards Officer for my unit in Vietnam. They construct so many stories, and the public buys it so easily, they're conditioned.

Yup

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Think that is really the question that needs answering. Was Pat's death used as another positive PR stunt -- e.g. show the spirit of a true patriot by making a martyr of him. The whole story stinks. I
Might add: the media did a helluva a job of making a hero/martyr of him; his mom was - as was Pat - very circumspect bout that very thing.

DP

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: JoshuaCox

I'm not going down the road that includes my thoughts on what happened to Pat Tillman. It only leads to anger and rage, but that's a whole separate topic and I won't derail this thread on you.

Here's an interesting factoid regarding the Jessica Lynch "rescue"... aside from the entire thing being nothing more than a publicity stunt. Ironically, Tillman wrote in a surviving journal about the mission the day before it took place and called it even then.

We leave tomorrow,'' Tillman wrote in a series of journal entries in Jon Krakauer's 'Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman,"

"This mission will be a P.O.W. rescue, a woman named Jessica Lynch. As awful as I feel for the fear she must face, and admire the courage I'm sure she's showing, I do believe this to be a big Public Relations stunt. Do not mistake me, I wish everyone in trouble to be rescued, but sending this many folks for a single low ranking soldier screams of media blitz. "

abcnews.go.com...

But back to my original point, the interesting factoid regarding the mission to get Lynch. Most people in their mid 20's and older know who Jessica Lynch is in my experience. How many of you have ever heard the names 2 other soldiers, Shoshana Johnson and Lori Piestewa? Quick show of hands... anyone?

Shoshana was shot through both ankles and captured along with Pfc Lynch but held at a separate location because Lynch was more severely wounded and needed a much higher level of care and treatment than a couple of through and through. en.m.wikipedia.org...

Lori however didn't fair as well and sustained a severe head injury as she attempted to flee the firefight at a high rate of speed when the Humvee, also carrying Pfc. Lynch and Specialist Johnson, as well as,' I believe, 3 Other soldiers who were killed when the Hummer was hit by an RPG. Pfc. Piestewa died several hours after being captured because there was no way to perform complex neurosurgery in a war zone when the hospital is running on auxiliary power and intermittent generators.

So why then is all the focus on Pfc. Lynch? Was it a more wholesome PR sell when they're marketing a cute, young, blonde Caucasian girl. I know... and it's ok to bash that. But I'm sincerely not trying to pull the race card here. But the fact is, 3 women were injured that day and had survived the initial attack. Everyone knows Lynch. They know the little white girl who needed to be rescued by Special Operators. As I asked earlier, how many people have ever heard the name Shoshana Johnson? Shoshana actually put up a fight against their attackers (hence her being shot twice) where Pfc Lynch's weapon is said to have immediately jammed. She sent not a single round down the barrel and in her own words dropped to her knees in prayer. Pfc Piestewa was the first Native American woman to be killed in combat serving in the U.S. armed forces and the first female soldier killed in our poorly planned Boy Scout Jamboree over in Iraq. That sounds like kind of a bigger deal than "rescuing" a girl who was safely under the care of Iraqi doctors whom had been attempting to arrange to have someone come get her for a couple of days. So sending in a JSOC team with video cameras to capture the whole event... erm, I meant dating rescue of a critically needed soldier from within territory still controlled by
hostiles!

I just thought it might be of interest to anyone who wants to know more about how bizarre the entire debacle actually was.

a lot of issues here - and I served in Iraq and may know a thing or two. for the OP, the Taliban didn't capture Lynch... this is Iraq not Afghanistan. but that's cool, you said you didn't research it, no big deal, Charlie mike.

Secondly, the mission was collaborated between the Rangers and a SEAL team. the original intel was multiple blue force personnel were captured. This wasn't a PR stunt to just get a white blonde girl. The situation at the hospital was very fluid. Rangers did an offset infil, pulled security, while SEALS did work inside. Lynch was found in decent shape thanks to some decent Iraqi docs. On the other hand, the Rangers spend a few hours digging up fresh graves and bagging almost goopy US forces body parts. It wasn't pleasant. Senior Ranger NCOs tell the story that they had the lower enlisted pull security while they themselves dug up the bodies. it wasn't pretty, even for a young ranger. There was a blood bath of tortured and dismembered servicemen and woman in the dirt that day.

As for media going to town with this back home? well sure, they always do always will. Flags of our Fathers?

Last of all... Ranger, Delta, or just some sloppy soup sandwich 88m in the Reserves could tell you - the final of the four Warrior Ethos pounded into your head from red phase on is simple, I will never leave a fallen comrade. I'm confident NSW/ DEVGRU has a similar ethos.

This is something any soldier would do. we'll send 100,000 men to save 1 or bring their body home. that's how its done.

As for Tillman, cool dude, tons of respect, like that guitarist from sound garden I think - anyhow, he had a journal, laid down his experiences, but are far from debrief facts ----nothing follows------- lol

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

I have since found an AP article that verified he was killed from -35 yards and with 3 shots to the head..

How do you get 3 headshots in a friendly fire incident???

One headshot from friendly fire ?? Easy no problem.. prob happens all the time.


Two headshots? Unlikely , but crazier things have happened.

3 headshot?!?!

I really try to avoid going to the max on conspiracies.. there are no mustache twirling villains. Just the full spectrum of self motivated individuals..

For instance, did the government orchestrate 911 or did it they just use it for Iraq and such??

I'm usually falling on the "they just milked it for all they could.."

But this is super fishy..

And if it was a squad mate with a personal problem, why did the government cover it up??

a common burst from a crew served weapon, like a M249, which surely would have been out on patrol that day. a few saws in a Ranger fire team is normal business. I would be more suspicious of a single gunshot, as if it were a ND or something. it happens.

combat can get crazy - blue on blue happens, sucks really really bad it happened to Pat, or any soldier I'd say. but it happens a lot. I honestly think he caught a saw burst to the head, sucks bad. but in a firefight you don't shoot single well aimed sight picture sight picture sight picture shots into the enemy. most soldiers ive seen don't even aim properly in a firefight.

originally posted by: TheErlenmeyerFlask

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

I have since found an AP article that verified he was killed from -35 yards and with 3 shots to the head..

How do you get 3 headshots in a friendly fire incident???

One headshot from friendly fire ?? Easy no problem.. prob happens all the time.


Two headshots? Unlikely , but crazier things have happened.

3 headshot?!?!

I really try to avoid going to the max on conspiracies.. there are no mustache twirling villains. Just the full spectrum of self motivated individuals..

For instance, did the government orchestrate 911 or did it they just use it for Iraq and such??

I'm usually falling on the "they just milked it for all they could.."

But this is super fishy..

And if it was a squad mate with a personal problem, why did the government cover it up??

a common burst from a crew served weapon, like a M249, which surely would have been out on patrol that day. a few saws in a Ranger fire team is normal business. I would be more suspicious of a single gunshot, as if it were a ND or something. it happens.

combat can get crazy - blue on blue happens, sucks really really bad it happened to Pat, or any soldier I'd say. but it happens a lot. I honestly think he caught a saw burst to the head, sucks bad. but in a firefight you don't shoot single well aimed sight picture sight picture sight picture shots into the enemy. most soldiers ive seen don't even aim properly in a firefight.

I buy that.

Like I said you don't need the murder to have been intentional for it to be a great example of corruption.