Bodycam Footage Of Police Fatally Shooting Man With His Own Gun Roy City, Utah 02/21/2017

lol.

y u lurking w a gun #?


0 sympathy.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes
No, I'm not a LEO.

I do, however, have an exceptionally low tolerance for people (not directed at you) who play Monday-morning, armchair quarterback and have never once been trained in law enforcement tactics or understand LEO SOPs, let alone even understand the laws of the state in which incidents occur.

With that in mind, I also have a very low tolerance for people who dismiss personal responsibility by criminals (again, not directed at you) and always make the LEO(s) out to be the bad guy.

When I can, I try to correct and call out this type of stupidity.

As for me, though, I am an Army veteran, have trained in a few different aspects of law enforcement tactics, and have been both a paralegal in the past and currently work with federal law enforcement and AUSAs on a daily basis as my day job. I also have a few friends who are LEOs, and the BS that they tell me that they have to put up with on a daily basis by the citizenry for whom they would take a bullet to protect really dissolves my ability to put up with much crap from people on the internet who seem to have a soul purpose of bashing and finding fault in every recorded LEO encounter.

But, if you pay attention to me over time in this forum, I'm also quick to call out a LEO when he/she is in the wrong--I just hate when people bitch about LEOs under the cover of willful ignorance or apathy.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Aristotelian1
Does that matter? He had one.

Who cares if laymen on the internet can see it in the video?

Quite honestly, even if he did NOT have a firearm and still did the exact same body movements, police firing on him would have been acceptable given the circumstances (non-compliant felon reaching at his waistband as if to be retrieving a firearm after officers told him not to reach for anything and then proceeding to fight with an officer).

How do you know he had a gun? Body language? Ill grant that it is stupid to reach for your wasteband when in that context, no argument there. But his body language was that of someone who is nervous. He could have been reaching into his pocket to present identification, or it could have been a nervous tic. We have very little video and a lot of "authority says." I'm not defending the man, I'm just being a voice of reason. This video alone does not acquit the cops of wrongdoing. Let me present a possible alternative based off this video:

Man acts nervous(could be many reason, warrants, has had trouble with cops before, etc.) the officers pick up on the body language and one officer(not our body camera one) says that the man has a gun(actually it was a misidentification, there was no gun.) The man, baffled at the false charge, stupidly runs and is gunned down by our body camera officer with his standard gun(the officer really thought he had a gun because the other officer said so.) They check his body afterwards and realize that there was no gun and now two men are responsible for murder, one for falsely proclaiming a gun and the other for shooting him based off that report. The cops, not wanting to go to prison and have their lives ruined, plant a gun on the man or otherwise lie to authorities and say that they shot the man with his own gun even though there isn't video evidence for their story.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Aristotelian1
If you look closely at the 57-58 second mark in the video. When he lifts his sweater I clearly see something attached and exposed to his belt. They asked him not to reach for it and to just comply. He knew he was going to jail and decided to run for it instead.

I was pulled over in February, and I carry a blade on my belt. When they asked me to step out, I put my hands where they could see and declared my weapon before I even stepped out. The deputy noted that he already observed it, and thanked me for declaring it. After searching my vehicle without consent or even asking, which I looked into the dash cam and stated, he returned to me, thanked me for cooperaation, left my blade and license in the car, and told me we were done.

Cooperation is more likely to preserve your life than fleeing or verbal harassment.

No argument with you there. The man opened the door to his own demise, but that doesn't mean he was armed and it doesn't mean that the officers are acquitted of murder. That black thing that you've identified as a gun(even though it can't be seen clearly) the officer could have misidentified as well. There is no video evidence that the man had a gun.

a reply to: Aristotelian1

The video shows him shooting the assilant with his own firearm, which he drops after realizing he was not using his own, and then pulls his sidearm out. The other officer had a body cam too, I forgot to post it though. Here it is now, I clearly see what I feel is a gun in his waistband.

And here is all 3 cam footage put together.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Aristotelian1

The video shows him shooting the assilant with his own firearm, which he drops after realizing he was not using his own, and then pulls his sidearm out. The other officer had a body cam too, I forgot to post it though. Here it is now, I clearly see what I feel is a gun in his waistband.

And here is all 3 cam footage put together.

Examined it and it looks like a black square box.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I never bitch about the police unless I feel treated unfairly. The police are needed, they deter people from doing bad stuff. Some are assholes but you get that in any line of work. Don't think for one second that I'm against the good work they do and know the dangers they face on a daily basis.

My Mother is very left leaning and she told me she would never visit the US because she's afraid she would get shot by a cop.

I'm in the UK bud and the brainwashing is strong here. Unfortunately, liberals won't listen in any country...

a reply to: Aristotelian1

no gun, this was a set up from the start, they wanted him dead, the saying he had a gun part is to justify the kill

a reply to: dan121212
WTF are you crazy?? They were trying to have him talk to them the moment they showed up. If he had no gun, he would not have run. If all he had was a black box, he would have just stepped over to them and gotten it over with.

You can declare weapons to the police if you get stopped without getting attacked, and they will return them if your innocent right on the spot.

I swear I can see the grip/handle part in the video of the support officers body cam. They even asked him "do not reach for the gun" . They did not even yell until he ran.

a reply to: Aristotelian1
Your scenario reaches the level of absurdity very, very quickly, as it's based all off of assumptions and hypotheticals that assume the police are the bad guys in this instance.

To each their own, I guess. To you, it's just a black square box, and you know this for a fact based on crappy video that is, to be honest, impossible to prove what is seen...

But let me come back at you with another scenario:

Sanchez, an ex-gang member, moved from California to Utah to escape the fear and life of being in a gang. But in doing so (already having the status of convicted felon), he still saw it okay to own "several firearms" in his home and "several more firearms" in a storage unit on the property of his employer (he admitted that his felon status made this illegal). This netted Sanchez five years in prison and probation for three years--he was released in 2016. On January 27, 2017, a federal judge released him from probation two years early.

Less than a month later, Sanchez is shot by police because he was in possession of a firearm and, according to police, pointed the firearm at an officer while fighting with him.

Source of Info

So, you propose that LEOs involved are making up a story, planted a weapon, and are only concerned about covering up a murder--that's what you are proposing to be the likely story? I just want to make sure that I have your claim straight before I laugh you off as an ideologue who thinks that absence of evidence equals evidence of absence.

Only an idiot would make sudden moves around a cop pointing a gun at them. The best coarse of action would be to get on the ground and spread them.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

lol thats case closed then, some twat swears he has a gun oh call off the detectives some noobs susses it pft idiot

a reply to: dan121212

I guess it would have made you happy if Sanchez had the chance to shoot one of the officers and/or civilians before they put him down?? Please explain how this could have went differently considering his behavior and the duty of the officers to ensure public safety??

a reply to: dan121212

you are grasping lol
when did the cops plant the gun in his belt?






guy is uncooperative with officers
shows them he has a gun in his belt
try's to flee
is tackled by officer and resists
is shot by other officer


bad trigger happy police officers
/sarcasm

a reply to: oddnutz

I cant understand why people holster their # inside by the groin??? The only weapon I keep in that area is a sheathed small double edged blade which can be clenched in my fist while fighting. It just bothers me to imagine a loaded firearm with muzzle pointing at the jewels ....

Stick to the sides guys.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Quick question as I did not see it, was the firearm the suspect possessed legally obtained and was he licensed to conceal carry?

Found this and answered my own question:

The press statement on Friday also said that Sanchez had "an extensive criminal history," and that as a convicted felon, he was not legally allowed to be in possession of a firearm. source

So freaking what...... did that man need that many bloody bullets fired at him...... American police are ...... ah F&%# it.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

the officer had his gun you tit, so he was shot while unarmed

a reply to: worldstarcountry

and dont half of america carry a gun ffs

a reply to: worldstarcountry

in your logic everyone carrying a gun should be shot by police then, just in case they are a threat to civilians or the police lol

originally posted by: scubagravy
So freaking what...... did that man need that many bloody bullets fired at him...... American police are ...... ah F&%# it.

Yeah, it appeared he did when he reached for his gun. Don't want to get shot? Don't run from the cops with an illegal handgun and then reach for that gun.

Pretty goddamn stupid if you ask me.