Sharia law comes from God and government law comes from man!

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Woodcarver

Substitute the word 'Islam' for 'Roman Catholicism', 'Nazism', 'Communism', 'Capitalism'...other, - my opinion remains the same.

Any relationship I wish to have with 'God' is between me and that God, any other human interference insisting I believe this or that is simply noise with no substance, I don't need others telling me how I should think and what I should believe.

So you have invented your own God congratulations. So now basically your word is the word of God. Your own God. Now everything you do is excepted by a god.

WTF?? I haven't invented jack-sh!t, I rarely think about the God concept these days as religion has become a turn-off. Maybe I should have written the word "if"......IF I want any relationship with 'God', I will pursue that when I am good and ready and not one moment sooner.

There is however one thing I am certain of - I will not be following Islam. If I am forced to, then it will be either me or him, to the end.

all of your posts imply that there is a God to have a relationship with if course I'm going to assume that you believe in a God

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Funny, christian law always bends to the civic law providing the civic law doesn't infringe on a christians faith.
Like going to war.
If civil law dictates gay marriage, then that's fine.
I am really saying this to christian dominionists

Interesting how sharia and christian law is so different

I personally don't see any difference between Christian ideologies and Muslim ideologies, would you mind pointing out some differences? I know some of the fine details or different, and that's not really what I'm talking about.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

You could've just said communist ideology because atheism had nothing to do with the way they govern the people.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yeah I hear you.
I left out some nice guys like mengele, Pol pot, etc....
But, yes definitely tax the churches when the pastor is driving a 200,000$ car...
I love it when mega churches 80 miles away mail me fliers to come join their "humble" 8 billion dollar church....

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

I would be happy if they just taxed them at the same rate the corporations were taxed

originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: Raggedyman

Yeah I hear you.
I left out some nice guys like mengele, Pol pot, etc....
But, yes definitely tax the churches when the pastor is driving a 200,000$ car...
I love it when mega churches 80 miles away mail me fliers to come join their "humble" 8 billion dollar church....

Mengele and pol pot did not govern the people based on their atheist beliefs.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Funny, christian law always bends to the civic law providing the civic law doesn't infringe on a christians faith.
Like going to war.
If civil law dictates gay marriage, then that's fine.
I am really saying this to christian dominionists

Interesting how sharia and christian law is so different

I personally don't see any difference between Christian ideologies and Muslim ideologies, would you mind pointing out some differences? I know some of the fine details or different, and that's not really what I'm talking about.

Like what, where the New Testament tells christians to follow civil law, something like that?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Natas0114
a reply to: Raggedyman

Yeah I hear you.
I left out some nice guys like mengele, Pol pot, etc....
But, yes definitely tax the churches when the pastor is driving a 200,000$ car...
I love it when mega churches 80 miles away mail me fliers to come join their "humble" 8 billion dollar church....

Mengele and pol pot did not govern the people based on their atheist beliefs.

Yeah but, they based their communism on atheism.
Outlawed religion, blah, blah

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

I would be happy if they just taxed them at the same rate the corporations were taxed

Well we disagree
If the church is giving the money to charity, whatever then the taxes could be reduced
Churches are NOT corporations, different in my opinion
The government, those in power want the mega churches to preach their poison in my opinion

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

You could've just said communist ideology because atheism had nothing to do with the way they govern the people.

The Internet is your friend, search the links between communism and atheism, it's common knowledge, isn't it?

Dawkins argument is pathetic

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Golantrevize
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Nope you are lying. Most muslims I know have no clue about sharia just like most chriatians I know cant recite any passage from the bible.

Ive also traveled from morrocco to egypt and never seen this sharia law in action.

This is funny! and you are liar but go ahead and see if you can convince others.....

He's already off to a FAR more credible start than you are.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

The Quran comes from man.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Yes I know. They were after "purity control", they pretty much killed and tortured anyone who disagreed with their views.

Much like radicalized islamists.

I don't have problems with peaceful Islamic people who don't want to murder others who have a different philosophy on religion.

I have a problem with people who use whatever means/words/beliefs necessary to push their agenda, especially when it uses murder.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Why are hot aiming this at me? I argued for love only.

a reply to: Woodcarver
I think, and this is only my opinion, that where many see a decline in other religions while there seems to be an increase in Islam, is due in part to many feeling failed by the religion of their youth and their search for answers.

Many of the new converts to Islam have been members of other religions, some may be converts from two or three more. Just as they found no answers in their other religions, they will find no answers in Islam, and will drop Islam in time, if they surve it.

God is not hidden in religion and God doesn't not need an intermediary. If you are a person that believes in God and you reduce him to such a weak, incompetent, evil position of needing someone to interpret for him, then you are either unworthy of your God or he is unworthy of you.

There are only two rules that anyone needs to live by and they are really one.

Love all others as you wish to be loved.
Treat all others as you wish to be treated.

God is love. The language is universal. Man has corrupted it like he does anything else he touches.

Want to see Satan? You know where to look.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Natas0114
Religion has been the biggest producer of genocide across all time lines in all the lands of this planet.

People just want to justify their actions by clinging to something / someone more wealthy and powerful than themselves.

Believing in something that makes you a better human is great, and I'm all for it.
Believing in something so you can attempt to be part of the current ruling class is pathetic.

Religion should be private at this point. Churches, mosques, etc should get no special privileges and shouldn't be allowed to advertise.
I feel the same way about politics at this point.

Except for Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and other atheist communist ideologies
I love saying that

The rest of your argument seems sound

I believe any church making over, say, about half a million a year should be taxed at 50%

I would be happy if they just taxed them at the same rate the corporations were taxed

Well we disagree
If the church is giving the money to charity, whatever then the taxes could be reduced
Churches are NOT corporations, different in my opinion
The government, those in power want the mega churches to preach their poison in my opinion

I can agree with all of that.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Woodcarver
I think, and this is only my opinion, that where many see a decline in other religions while there seems to be an increase in Islam, is due in part to many feeling failed by the religion of their youth and their search for answers.

Many of the new converts to Islam have been members of other religions, some may be converts from two or three more. Just as they found no answers in their other religions, they will find no answers in Islam, and will drop Islam in time, if they surve it.

God is not hidden in religion and God doesn't not need an intermediary. If you are a person that believes in God and you reduce him to such a weak, incompetent, evil position of needing someone to interpret for him, then you are either unworthy of your God or he is unworthy of you.

There are only two rules that anyone needs to live by and they are really one.

Love all others as you wish to be loved.
Treat all others as you wish to be treated.

God is love. The language is universal. Man has corrupted it like he does anything else he touches.

Want to see Satan? You know where to look.

I can agree with just about everything in this post to. Except for the implied existence of a God.

Love all others as you wish to be loved and Treat all others as you wish to be treated, can be accomplished without inventing any divine being.

originally posted by: Golantrevize
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Nope you are lying. Most muslims I know have no clue about sharia just like most chriatians I know cant recite any passage from the bible.

Ive also traveled from morrocco to egypt and never seen this sharia law in action.


And also a vast majority condems terrorist attacks what the # are you talking about.

Perhaps then you will become informed enough to realize the inanity of your statement some day....

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Unless someone can show us some evidence, physical tablet, computer code, communications, etc of God's will pertaining to laws or anything else, all law and everything else is, was, written by man. More than likely for herd control purposes, self gratification and centralization of power. This is hell, God doesn't come visiting, only the wardens and their minions come calling.

Cheers - Dave