FBI Publishes 9-11 Pentagon Attack Photos on 3-23-17... With Faces Blacked Out

originally posted by: Mike.Ockizard
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Live close by the Pentagon. Best friends friend is a volunteer FF that was there picking up body parts. Just sayin

If little kid parts, they were passengers. Otherwise, could be either passengers, or Pentagon employees.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neutronflux

Care to prove the credibility of those witnesses? The burden is on you to prove credibility.

Besides, I thought you said eyewitnesses were unreliable....at least when they disagree with the OS.

I am not 'back' to anywhere. I never left the reasonable doubt camp. The federal government never proved their case.

The burden of proof is on you to prove they are wrong. If you are saying the are lying, that is slander!!!!!!

I am saying I don't believe them by default. That is not defamatory because it is 100% true.

ETA: And, again, I don't have to prove anything because I am not pushing the official story...I am merely doubting it.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neutronflux

Anyone can claim any friend of a friend saw whatever. Pics or it didn't happen. Body part counts or it didn't happen, for Christ's sake.

Prove your case or just accept that people have reasonable doubts about it and get over it. Insisting everyone be satisfied with the evidence we have been shown does not prove your case.

People have their personal accounts. If you claim they are lying with no credible proof, that is slander on your part.

Where is it ethical to say a person is lying with no proof. In this case, it's some 100 plus individuals.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neutronflux

Anyone can claim any friend of a friend saw whatever. Pics or it didn't happen. Body part counts or it didn't happen, for Christ's sake.

Prove your case or just accept that people have reasonable doubts about it and get over it. Insisting everyone be satisfied with the evidence we have been shown does not prove your case.

People have their personal accounts. If you claim they are lying with no credible proof, that is slander on your part.

Where is it ethical to say a person is lying with no proof. In this case, it's some 100 plus individuals.

You're ridiculous. I can say I don't believe all kinds of people and it's not defamatory because it's completely true.

Jesus. Do you even know what defamation is?

I don't have to give any witness the benefit of the doubt. On the contrary, it is up to you asking me to believe them to prove they are credible.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

There is zero way to tell, yet again. I get that you're obsessed with body parts, but there's no way to tell which were passenger, which were Pentagon worker.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neutronflux

Anyone can claim any friend of a friend saw whatever. Pics or it didn't happen. Body part counts or it didn't happen, for Christ's sake.

Prove your case or just accept that people have reasonable doubts about it and get over it. Insisting everyone be satisfied with the evidence we have been shown does not prove your case.

People have their personal accounts. If you claim they are lying with no credible proof, that is slander on your part.

Where is it ethical to say a person is lying with no proof. In this case, it's some 100 plus individuals.

You're ridiculous. I can say I don't believe all kinds of people and it's not defamatory because it's completely true.

Jesus. Do you even know what defamation is?

I don't have to give any witness the benefit of the doubt. On the contrary, it is up to you asking me to believe them to prove they are credible.

If you are accusing the 100 plus individuals that give an account of a passenger jet of something, they have the right to face their accuser.

To say somebody's personal testimony is wrong with no proof is not ethical.

To say somebody's personal testimony is a lie is slander.

So start naming individuals and cite evidence why their accounts are wrong.

www.911myths.com...
Passenger identification

The Pentagon victims and Flight 77 passengers were identified by DNA:
...all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago... Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of the samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.
www.cbsnews.com...

Additional work was carried out on the unidentified remains:
Nuclear DNA testing (along with dental records and fingerprints) of the remains from the victims aboard American Airline (AA) Flight 77 and within the Pentagon was useful for identifying 178 of the 183 victims. Five missing individuals (four within the Pentagon and one aboard the airplane) could not be identified due to lack of biological material from the crash. Five remaining nuclear STR profiles were obtained from the crash site that did not match any references for the victims. These profiles were thought to represent the terrorists aboard the flight. The 40 victims aboard the United Airline (UA) Flight 93 that crashed near Shanksville, PA, were also identified by nuclear DNA testing, dental records, and fingerprinting. Four nonmatching nuclear DNA profiles were also obtained from the crash site and again tentatively ascribed to the terrorists. The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men.
www.cstl.nist.gov...

The FBI told us that brothers Nawaf and Salem al-Hazmi were on board Flight 77. Testing reveals two of the DNA profiles appear to be taken from brothers. (See Hijackers DNA profiles.)

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Mike.Ockizard

My BFF's BFF said there were no body parts. There were godzilla parts though. Just sayin.

Hate for this gem to get lost in the thread......

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Mike.Ockizard

My BFF's BFF said there were no body parts. There were godzilla parts though. Just sayin.

Hate for this gem to get lost in the thread......

Ha, missed it the first time, always like to see a good immature posting thanks for catching that.

found a couple more things and realized something while i was looking.

first there where a bunch of cameras facing the plane on the pentagon and the little guard building/ maintenance building? in front. plus multiple cameras from different businesses.





above from here,
Apparently Lots Of Security Cameras On The Pentagon

and here are a some debris pictures that i haven't seen. most links are 404 or questionable like from rense.
Pentagon

as i was looking for image of debris, i came across the diagram i posted earlier. looking at it i noticed A&E Drive is behind the collapsed E Ring. that's where most of the bodies were at. A&E is inside the Pentagon, never dawned on me before.


now this is puzzling, until i found this which also turns out i have never seen before.

it's a Nat Geo documentary named Witness D.C. 9/11 and there are a couple of things that i want to point out in it.
first, at the 8:37 mark, a piece of debris by the wall in front of the fire fighters, not saying it is from the aircraft, just a good possibility.
second, at the 8:59 to 10:07 mark, a eye witness, there are a couple more later on.
thrid,10:45 mark, debris found on highway, again not saying it's from the plane, but it does have the green primer everyone talks about.
fourth, 31:13 mark, dude is is all over the place but definitely says it was a American Airlines and listen to what he says it does. notice he says with intent just like the other guy.
fifth, 40:25 mark, inside on A&E Drive, it appears this is a FBI guy pointing out more debris in all the water.
sixth, 42:40 mark, looks like search and rescue team. listen to what the guy says about the bodies and where they are.
and last, don't know when this is, the next night or when, but see the body bags. what important is look at how big or how full they are. doesn't appear that there is that much left.


now i guess i need to say what i think about 9/11, i have no doubt that aircraft flown by terrorist hit the buildings, the evidence is to strong to say other wise, even with all the unanswered questions.

but, i don't think the terrorist did it own their own, i think their leaders were paid to do it, given a plan and the ones on the planes had no idea that they were a bunch of chumps. i would say who i think paid for it, but i don't want to be on a list more than i already am.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

The bodies of the people killed that worked at the Pentagon were largely found intact. Some were found curled up under their desks, or in hallways trapped by debris. Most of those killed were killed by fire effects.

The passengers on the plane however, would have been violently dismembered by the aircraft exploding and breaking apart around them, impacts with pillars, and other things inside the building.

All I can add to the conversation is that I install high end Video Surveillance.
It's always on.
Some cameras are set to record on motion only, some record all the time.
Takes more storage for constant recording or you go with a shorter retention period.

It's the Pentagon, not a Chuck-E-Cheeze.
They have the storage. It's always recording.
Even back then.

I could be wrong, but I just don't think so.

a reply to: Zaphod58

that's why i said look at the body bags and how big or full they are, not not much left. it would be like going through a shredder.

also about what the search and rescue guy said about having to look for them and being unrecognizable.

a reply to: sageturkey

with as many that were on the building and the small building, they got something. why they didn't or don't release them well...

i know let start a petition at whitehouse.gov for trump to get the tapes released. bet that would piss the swamp off real good if he did.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

The remains of what are most likely some of the passengers could be seen at the Moussaoui trial. There were remains found that were just parts. There were also complete remains of the Pentagon workers. The passengers were put through a shredder.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Yeah, I'm quite sure they have plenty of whatever.
Even in a typical playground setting, we usually cover the area from at least 3 views providing cross-coverage.
I'm not sure what the average high-end camera's frame rate was in 2001, but we usually capture between 10-30 frames per second now.
Something that long could not traverse the coverage area without being captured and identified.

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: D8Tee

Ah, that same tired tactic. It was disrespectful to investigate the crash of Flight 587 to the point of knowing how many body parts per passenger were recovered.

Got it.

The passengers of Flight 77 "deserved better" than that.

*eyeroll*

It's a stupid question.

Every question is stupid when its an official government tale...

Guaranteed the investigations or lack thereof in these incidents were biased by politics.

Something like this happening under the current prez will be most curious..how would media and the public respond in this environment

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MotherMayEye

There is zero way to tell, yet again. I get that you're obsessed with body parts, but there's no way to tell which were passenger, which were Pentagon worker.

So they did not identify the passengers and just told everyone they had??

Actually rings true.

a reply to: ParasuvO

No, but they couldn't identify them until well after, and some of the body parts wouldn't be able to be matched because there just wasn't enough left. So there was no way to tell if it was from s passenger or worker. So getting an accurate count and determining anything from the count isn't possible.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Thankyou for posting that video, along with your tips of what to look for, and at what points in the video. Your guidance was a great time saver.