Michael Mann is a slimy little lying weasel and is getting ripped to shreds.

Bout time this guy was put in front of a Congressional hearing, he's going down.

Here he is lying his ass off.

Lamar Smith is enjoying himself, the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down on the IPCC, the lies will be exposed.

Lock them up.



And here is the whole of todays session with Lamar Smith, Michael Mann, Judith Curry and Pielke.

I hear a draining sound.

He made some good movies though

a reply to: xuenchen

Mann straight up claims he's not associated or affiliated with the Climate change Accountability Institute in that first short video.

Here's a link to their own web page stating otherwise.

Link

originally posted by: D8Tee
Mann straight up claims he's not associated or affiliated with the Climate Change Accountability Institute in that first short video.

Here's a link to their own web page stating otherwise.

Link

There's no "Climate Change Accountability Institute" - what you link to, and what was said in the video, is the "Climate Accountability Institute."

Can't hardly tell what Mann is saying, since Higgins is talking over him so much. Sounds to me like Mann says he may serve as (interruption) correspond (interruption).

Thank god, I read that as the Michelin man. I had two problems with that. Number one, what has he ever done to anyone maliciously? Number two, who will rate all the fancy restaurants if he was gone? This could have been a sad sad day.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: D8Tee
Mann straight up claims he's not associated or affiliated with the Climate Change Accountability Institute in that first short video.

Here's a link to their own web page stating otherwise.

Link

There's no "Climate Change Accountability Institute" - what you link to, and what was said in the video, is the "Climate Accountability Institute."

Can't hardly tell what Mann is saying, since Higgins is talking over him so much. Sounds to me like Mann says he may serve as (interruption) correspond (interruption).

Watch it again, it's not hard to discern what he says.

Higgins: Are you affiliated or associated with an organization called The Climate Accountability Institute?

Mann: No, I may certainly correspond with them.

Higgins: You're not affiliated or associated with them?

Mann: I can provide you, I've submitted my CV you can see who I'm associated with.

Higgins: These two organizations are they connected directly with organized efforts to prosecute and influence climate skeptics via RICO statutes?

Mann the weasel: The way you phrased it, I would find it extremely surprising if what you said is true.

a reply to: D8Tee
He does not say 'certainly.'

Try again.

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: D8Tee
He does not say 'certainly.'

Try again.

What does he say then, other than the important part that he is not affiliated or associate with the Climate Change Accountability Institute?

It's like you picking out that I added the word change into the title of the institute, it doesn't matter.

Mann says he was not associated or affiliated with them, that was his answer. It's a lie.

a reply to: D8Tee
It's hard to tell, since he's being talked over.

Why are you so distracted about that? I was simply correcting an error. Don't get so worked up.

Calling it a lie is interesting - did he give them permission to put his name on their page?

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: D8Tee


Calling it a lie is interesting - did he give them permission to put his name on their page?

Yes.

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: D8Tee


Calling it a lie is interesting - did he give them permission to put his name on their page?

Yes.

Okay, since you've claimed this, go ahead and prove it.

To another point, if you listen to the testimony, everyone but Mann was downplaying warming. This is interesting, since Curry, Pelke, and Pielke also all acknowledge that the Earth is warming.

Judith Curry

People often try to categorize me as a lukewarmer. Well, if you are delineating three ‘tribes’ – alarmist, denier, lukewarmer – then I more naturally align with the lukewarmers.

However, I have my own little ‘tribe’, whose figure head is the uncertainty monster. While the evidence that we do have points in the direction of lukewarming, the uncertainties are sufficiently large that we can’t rule out large sensitivity and catastrophic outcomes.

Roger Pielke, Jr

I believe climate change is real and that human emissions of greenhouse gases risk justifying action, including a carbon tax. But my research led me to a conclusion that many climate campaigners find unacceptable: There is scant evidence to indicate that hurricanes, floods, tornadoes or drought have become more frequent or intense in the U.S. or globally. In fact we are in an era of good fortune when it comes to extreme weather.

Hell, John Christy posted a powerpoint during the testimony (at 26:14) that clearly showed a warming trend, while complaining about models.

So, presuming Mann did lie - what are they doing?

a reply to: Greven

From Mann's own CV www.michaelmann.net...

Not hard to find if you were to look for it.

· Advisory Board, Climate Accountability Institute, 2014-

a reply to: D8Tee

Thank you. I did a cursory search earlier without much luck, including a Google result that claimed the About page of Climate Accountability Institute title of "Cheap viagra from canada" so I didn't look too much harder after that.

Holy cow that's a big CV and a bunch of organizations to maybe be 'affiliated' with.

He said: "I can provide-- I've submitted my CV you can see who I'm associated with and who I am not" and as you point out this is listed in his CV... so what's the problem, then? If it had already been submitted, why was this question even asked?

a reply to: Greven

The problem occurs when Higgins asks Mann if he is affiliated or associated with ....The Climate Accountability Institute and Mann says (quite strongly emphasized) "NO"

His CV says that he is.

Mann just lied to Congress under oath.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
Yeah, uh, you can submit written record (like he apparently already had done) for things like this.

You're going nowhere with that, just like the attacks against Sessions about his testimony before Congress went nowhere.

originally posted by: D8Tee
You are a crazy alarmist that would advocate for millions dying, I don't expect to get any rational debate from you Greven.

originally posted by: Greven


The only real solution is to immediately shut off all fossil fuel emissions.
I don't expect many people would do that, though. People have to eat, they have to heat their residences...

originally posted by: D8Tee

What would you expect the death toll from that to be?

originally posted by: Greven

That's a hard thing to quantify. I would suspect at least a billion to perish in a few years if such a thing were to happen.

We're really pretty screwed. Either a lot of people die in the short term, or a whole lot more people die in the long term.

Oh goody personal attacks.

Did I say that was a good thing? No? Nope, I did not. It's a rock and a hard place.

You never answered my point about the others testifying, including those who you seem to like listening to - yet all say the Earth is warming while belittling that in the testimony.

a reply to: Greven

The earth is warming, how much of that is due to man made causes?

Beats being in an ice age.

a reply to: Greven

Micheal Mann verbally lied to Congress under oath.

There is a period at the end of that sentence for a reason. His CV says he is associated with them.

Do you imagine that the man doesn't know what is in his CV and yet he still blatantly lied. There are no ifs, ands or buts. The man lied to Congress

This isn't a matter for opinion. It is a matter of fact. When asked if he was associated with the Climate Accountability Institute, the man said "no".