Prophetic Worship

a reply to: Sharparrow

Question all you want but my heart is right and correct before the Lord in my correction and admonition of you in the Lord. Not to correct you would be the unloving thing to do. Not to correct you would put your sin upon me. I have done my part you either accept it as the truth it is or reject it. In the later case, you are in your own transgression and sin (you are no longer ignorant of your transgression and your sin because I have showed you by scriptures the error of your ways), and I am free from any responsibility henceforth.

The whole laughing in the so called spirit is it and you have said it with your own mouth. Let's see your Bible verse that supports such practice in the church.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Hi Chester

I am not going to waste my time. You are my brother in Christ, regardless of our differing views regarding the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. I will see you in heaven and all this knit picking will be obsolete.

a reply to: Sharparrow

It is not a differing of views it is God"s own words on the subject and you and those who taught you this are ignoring His word and making yourselves God in his stead by ripping out of context the word of God and making yourselves doctrine of men.

It is not nit picking it is being Holy and separate from profane and useless things that men have created to control you for a tithe and filthy lucre.

You may be saved but your active participation has and will grieve and quench the Holy Ghost and sooner than later you will be led astray (if not already) and become useless for the cause of God and useful only to men who want to control and manipulate you and others with emotions, feelings and experiences not necessarily of God for the purpose of personal gain. I have found that contentment with the literal word of God

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 ¶ But godliness with contentment is great gain.

All I can do is admonish you to check your teaching and teachers and compare them to God's word. where it is incorrectly applied you need to separate yourself from them.

originally posted by: Sharparrow
a reply to: namelesss

Greetings Nameless

The Holy Spirit is a person, He is not a power like "the force be with you" from the Star Wars movies.

I just noticed that your handle is not "Sharpsparrow"! hahaha
Now, back to your friend.
This 'person' IS your friend, right?
There is a definition of 'person' already in place that already refutes what you are proposing, but long experience has taught me that definitions grow and change with experience.
Okay, fine.
Would you feel comfortable bringing this 'person' to tea?
Will it have to be an 'imaginary' tea party?
With imaginary 'friends'?
Since everything exists, your 'friend' exists, if nowhere else but in your thoughts and book.
Willing to accept the existence.

The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity of the Christian faith, Father, son and Holy Spirit and He gives spiritual gifts to those who are believers .

Well, now there is a problem with the whole trinity doctrine.
It was added much later, and is not authentic to the NT.
It is fraudulent, and not scriptural.
God is One!
Don't be an idolator!

When Christians talk about being in the spirit, they are referring to their relationship with the Holy Spirit.

So, if this whole 'Holy Spirit' thing is just to accord with the false Trinity doctrine, then that puts your 'spirit' directly in the imaginary/fallacious realm.
God is One!
And IF the Spirit is your 'friend', and you are "in him", well, you do the math... *__-

We are called to walk with the Holy Spirit in a relationship. He is known as our wise Councillor, friend, advocate,

Yeah, blah, blah...
If you want to equate the Christ/unconditional Love/Enlightenment with your 'Holy Spirit', then fine, but literal reading of this stuff leaves one clueless.
You already have yourself three gods.
Where to go from there? 16?
But if you 'walk in' (ARE) unconditional Love, then Jesus would recognize you as a follower!
("As I Am, so can you be!")
A smorgy of comic book beliefs will get the vain social ego-bound self-described Xtian, nowhere!
There is no quiz administered at the gate regarding vain beliefs (and all 'beliefs' are vanity!), being unconditional Love/Enlightened IS Heaven/Nirvana! Here! Now!
("Heaven is at hand!")

I heard someone say " Christ is unconditional love"

As it is written,

"But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."



"If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die."
"Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life."

You have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet you say, "How have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them," or, "Where is the God of justice?"

If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he should ask God, who will give life to those who commit this kind of sin. There is a sin that leads to death; I am not saying he should ask regarding that sin.

Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. I have told you these things so that My joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

To the one, we are an odor of death and demise; to the other, a fragrance that brings life. And who is qualified for such a task?

But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.



I heard someone say "Dont be an idolater" in reference to the holy spirit and God The Father as well as Christ.

As it is Written,
Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.” Jesus made this statement because they were claiming, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Then God said, "Let US make mankind in our image, in our likeness.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

The Word Became Flesh and made his dwelling among us.

He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ—not by water alone, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.


You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you.












and as for the topic of the thread

As it is written,
All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Sharparrow

1Cor 12:12 ¶ For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Ga 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This is Holy Spirit/Ghost Baptism, no water for twenty verses either direction.

I pray everyday as led by the Holy Spirit/Ghost. Where ever I am God's Holy Spirit/Ghost is with me.

No verse in the preserved word of God teaches one "is Baptized in the Holy Spirit" but they do teach we are baptized into Christ and into one body.

People who spake in tongues are never said to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. They are said to be given the gift as they were at the beginning but no one had to interpret.

What you described in the OP was an unknown tongues which needs interpretation and if none if given you are no to use it in the assembly of believers. Again read 1 Cor 14.

Also we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise which is not baptism and the God has given us his Holy Spirit which is not baptism. These verses speak of his presence in us.

I don't know where you are getting your teaching from but it is not from the preserved word of God but a created doctrine of men.

As it is Written,

John answered them all, "I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

I baptize you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."


For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

a reply to: UltimateVeritatis

The context is to the twelve Apostles not believers today and it happened to 16 the original 11 plus Matthias and the four brothers of Jesus it was a sign to the Jews. They were baptized with the Holy Ghost and filled giving the gift of tongues. But today we don't need it because we have a completed word of God, and Paul teaches us we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Ghost. Remember in John we are told that they received the Holy Ghost already before what took place in Acts 2.

Peter also when all these men asked what was going on told them to be baptized in water and repent. Both Baptism in water and repentance are not required any more. I was only required under the gosdpel of the Kingdom which is not active today.

Today we are under the gospel of the Grace of God, and under it we do not need to have people baptized with the Holy Ghost in order to receive the gifts or exercise them. They are given when we believe and we exercise them only as God wills us to.

The gifts when and how are to be kept in context. Also you must understand that the instructions of 1 Corinthians 14 shows that unknown tongues are not to be spoken unless there is an interpretation. The tongues in Acts 2 did not need interpretation as each heard in their own language the wondrous works of God.

read the gifts in Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12-14 and Ephesians 4:11, 12 for a better understanding.

Also note and search out these three Gospels (just paste them into any Bible program) 1) the gospel of the Kingdom, the Gospel of the grace of God, and the Everlasting Gospel. As you study see what is added to each one as a requirements for salvation under each one.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: UltimateVeritatis

The context is to the twelve Apostles not believers today and it happened to 16 the original 11 plus Matthias and the four brothers of Jesus it was a sign to the Jews. They were baptized with the Holy Ghost and filled giving the gift of tongues. But today we don't need it because we have a completed word of God, and Paul teaches us we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Ghost. Remember in John we are told that they received the Holy Ghost already before what took place in Acts 2.

Peter also when all these men asked what was going on told them to be baptized in water and repent. Both Baptism in water and repentance are not required any more. I was only required under the gosdpel of the Kingdom which is not active today.

Today we are under the gospel of the Grace of God, and under it we do not need to have people baptized with the Holy Ghost in order to receive the gifts or exercise them. They are given when we believe and we exercise them only as God wills us to.

The gifts when and how are to be kept in context. Also you must understand that the instructions of 1 Corinthians 14 shows that unknown tongues are not to be spoken unless there is an interpretation. The tongues in Acts 2 did not need interpretation as each heard in their own language the wondrous works of God.

read the gifts in Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12-14 and Ephesians 4:11, 12 for a better understanding.

Also note and search out these three Gospels (just paste them into any Bible program) 1) the gospel of the Kingdom, the Gospel of the grace of God, and the Everlasting Gospel. As you study see what is added to each one as a requirements for salvation under each one.

I have an Oath to myself to only type The Verses of the Bible, Guided by holy spirit, to express myself.

As it is Written,

so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

As it is Written,
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

And He told them, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside, everything is expressed in parables,

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near."

Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and caught fish of every kind. When it was full, the men pulled it ashore. Then they sat down and sorted the good fish into containers, but threw the bad away.

Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.

He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.

then I will establish the throne of your kingdom over Israel forever, just as I promised to your father David, saying, 'You shall not lack a man on the throne of Israel.'

For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.

See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: UltimateVeritatis
I have an Oath to myself to only type The Verses of the Bible, Guided by holy spirit, to express myself.

Really then how do you order items online? How do search for word meanings when on you computer? How do you send email concerning other topics?

I think you are not being forthcoming about what all you do type every day, especially online.

a reply to: Sharparrow

German "Holy Spirit" worschipping

Sounds great did you create it?

originally posted by: namelesss

The only 'gospel' to 'minister' (according to Jesus) is to be unconditional Love!

...the massage is LOVE!!!...

a reply to: galien8

Jesus never said or used the word unconditional love. All love is conditional God loves you unconditional but it you want the benefits of his love you must accept his son Jesus Christ.

But if you are speaking of this then it is love for other believers not just anyone in the world.

John 13:34-34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

or maybe you mean this love

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Or maybe you mean these teachings of Paul that expand on Christ teaching of love as found in John's Gospel writing.

Rom 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
Rom 13:8, 9 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

It is a miracle to think Paul never expounded on Jesus teachings but was a liar and taught nothing that Jesus taught. False reports about Paul abound from many people here at ATS, but if you seek you shall find that Paul does teach what Jesus taught on many subject Jesus never went into details about.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

It is a miracle to think Paul never expounded on Jesus teachings but was a liar and taught nothing that Jesus taught. False reports about Paul abound from many people here at ATS, but if you seek you shall find that Paul does teach what Jesus taught on many subject Jesus never went into details about.

Its in one of the Dead Sea Scrolls manuscript, where Jesus is named the teacher of righteousness and a certain named Paulus is the liar, or its attributed from the context to Paulus being the liar

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: namelesss

The only 'gospel' to 'minister' (according to Jesus) is to be unconditional Love!

...the massage is LOVE!!!...

Shine that Light, brother, and 'they' will come unto you! *__-

True, unconditional Love is ALWAYS Known by It's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity (charity is never taking more than your share of anything!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith...
ALWAYS!

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)

a reply to: galien8

Doe snot mean it was Saul of Tarsus.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: galien8

Doe snot mean it was Saul of Tarsus.

Does not mean it was Saul of Tarsus??? Doe snot (could be slang, is Dutch slang anyways)

OK so you say it is Paulus or English: Paul (from The Letter to the Thessalonians 1 & 2)???

a reply to: galien8

Sorry mist type

But I'll take the preserved word over unverifiable copies of scrolls. You see people reported Paul was lying so he questioned why would the gospel prosper through his lie. Seems these scroll writers were lying slanderers.

Rom 3:7, 8 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: Sharparrow
Music is a powerful medium to minister the gospel,...

A nice rhythmic beat is also commonly used in other propaganda/brainwashing techniques, commercials/ads, for instance.
It enhances the insertion of malware.

The only 'gospel' to 'minister' (according to Jesus) is to be unconditional Love!
Jesus's message wasn't about vain 'beliefs', it is about a state of being, unconditional Love/Enlightenment.
One needn't go pushing 'beliefs' like drugs (that isn't what Jesus sold); shining the Light of Love, people will come to you!

True, unconditional Love is ALWAYS Known by It's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity (charity is never taking more than your share of anything, ever!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith...
ALWAYS!

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)

Now that was just beautiful. You sometimes blow me away, nameless.

I personally find noise to be an obstruction to experiencing stillness in meditation. Noise seems to entertain the higher mind which I guess is something different again (good or bad, I don't know).

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: galien8

Sorry mist type

But I'll take the preserved word over unverifiable copies of scrolls. You see people reported Paul was lying so he questioned why would the gospel prosper through his lie. Seems these scroll writers were lying slanderers.

Rom 3:7, 8 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Joh 8:7 but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone