Mystery people founded New-Zealand before Polynesians.

Maori oral traditions speak of people already living in parts of New-Zealand when they arrived. When the Polynesians arrived they found that there was a large well established population already living in the country inhabited by mysterious people commonly known as the "Patupaiarehe".

a reply to: ancienthistorian

There are currently nearly 100 grave sites around new Zealand that have a government embargo on them, Meaning nobody can look or study them. These bones were offered back to the Maori people as they like to keep their bones but did not what these ones as not their people but a people before them.
We have a treaty of waitangi between the crown and the Maori people with big money involved, so that's way nobody hears about this

Interesting legend. It would be cool to find some physical evidence of such beings.

I found your thread title quite misleading as it's speaking of it 'as a matter of fact'

lol

a reply to: ancienthistorian

New Zealand was founded 1840, I'm pretty sure your title doesn't express what you think it does.

a reply to: ancienthistorian

Ummm...cool...subscribed so I can watch the documentary later...

Thanks...


YouSir

Um, didn't watch the video.

But I did look up Patupaiarehe.

Seems to be a fairy tail or myth?

In Māori mythology, Patupaiarehe are pale spirit beings that live in deep forests and on mountaintops in New Zealand, and are sometimes hostile to humans. Ethereal flute music and singing sometimes reveals their presence. Patupaiarehe, also referred to as Turehu, Ngati Hotu and Urukehu (red heads), were said to live in large guarded communities.[1] They tended to occur in certain localities, especially hilly or mountainous regions. In the North Island, these included Mt Pirongia in the Waikato, the Coromandel Range from Mt Moehau to Mt Te Aroha, the Rotorua hills, the Urewera Ranges, and the Waitākere Ranges near present-day Auckland. In the South Island, they inhabited the hills of Banks Peninsula, the Takitimu range, and the hills between Lake Brunner and the Arahura River.[2][3] Another little-known term for these fairy-like folk was pakehakeha, which has been suggested as a possible origin of the word Pākehā, used to refer to Europeans.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...


So, no hard evidence?

a reply to: Groot

Look on YouTube for skeletons in the cupboard: under the carpet. There us proof if ore Maori peoples, but as mentioned the treaty is the reason the info will never be made public. Part of the video has a man that had part of a ship carbon dated and it came back between 5 and 7 thousand years old,and shows the paper work to back it up. There were artifacts I saw as a child in the national museum that have now been removed,who knows why. Nobody takes anything pre Maori seriously. Even the head chief if the biggest tribe in nz admits they were not Here first.
Its laughable to think nz was not inhabited before the Maori arrived. The patupaiarehe staffed as fact then was turned into fairy tale,Maori say they taught them how to weave,make nets and other things.

a reply to: hiddenNZ

This?

a reply to: Groot

I watched the second one last night,quite interesting.

a reply to: hiddenNZ

Watching it now.

a reply to: hiddenNZ

A question that has always bothered me is. The Maori came here in wakas (boat) . once in nz they made waka out of native timber. But what were the waka made of to get here. Coconut trees ? Anyway bit of topic.

originally posted by: ZeussusZ
a reply to: ancienthistorian

There are currently nearly 100 grave sites around new Zealand that have a government embargo on them, Meaning nobody can look or study them. These bones were offered back to the Maori people as they like to keep their bones but did not what these ones as not their people but a people before them.
We have a treaty of waiting between the crown and the Maori people with big money involved, so that's way nobody hears about this

Until they want to put a pipeline thru their native lands, like in North Dakota, USA.

Lucky thing for the "Patupaiarehens".

a reply to: ZeussusZ

The Maori chief of the large tribe hints at being bought here as slaves to find jade by the Chinese I read somewhere. Hence the ancient rock cave glyphs found in that video I mentioned.
The biggest bit of evidence is that they admit they were not here first....Any pre european bones found are given to them to never be seen again. Personally I think its possible the Egyptians made it here,again,as mentioned in the yt video.

originally posted by: Ghost147
Interesting legend. It would be cool to find some physical evidence of such beings.

I found your thread title quite misleading as it's speaking of it 'as a matter of fact'

The Maori arrived by sea between 1250 AD and 1300 AD.

They have legends of a tall, fair skinned redheaded people living here.

They also have legends of another people who were here before them, the Moriori, who inhabit the Chatham Islands to the East of New Zealand. The warlike Maori nearly wiped out the peaceful Moriori but a few survive to this day. They are genetically different to the Maori.

We have human remains and human dwellings from previous to the Maori arrival.

The flightless 'native' bird the Pukeko is genetically from Spain.

The 'native' Pacific rat, is from Singapore and arrived before the Maori (we have remains that date to before the Maori arrived). It isn't likely that it would arrive without human assistance.

There are numerous, ancient, English oak trees in groves planted throughout New Zealand. In 1870, the surveyor Percy Smith noted an English Oak tree with a trunk circumference over six feet. It must have been there for a thousand years. I live in an area where there are numerous old English Oak trees and even have one growing on my property, so I can personally verify this.

Didn't the Aussie Aboriginals arrive in OZ like 50,000 ya?

How far is it to NZ from there?

a reply to: chr0naut

Its odd that koru pa in taranaki is dated to 900ad but yet Maori said they made it?

originally posted by: Groot
Um, didn't watch the video.

But I did look up Patupaiarehe.

Seems to be a fairy tail or myth?

In Māori mythology, Patupaiarehe are pale spirit beings that live in deep forests and on mountaintops in New Zealand, and are sometimes hostile to humans. Ethereal flute music and singing sometimes reveals their presence. Patupaiarehe, also referred to as Turehu, Ngati Hotu and Urukehu (red heads), were said to live in large guarded communities.[1] They tended to occur in certain localities, especially hilly or mountainous regions. In the North Island, these included Mt Pirongia in the Waikato, the Coromandel Range from Mt Moehau to Mt Te Aroha, the Rotorua hills, the Urewera Ranges, and the Waitākere Ranges near present-day Auckland. In the South Island, they inhabited the hills of Banks Peninsula, the Takitimu range, and the hills between Lake Brunner and the Arahura River.[2][3] Another little-known term for these fairy-like folk was pakehakeha, which has been suggested as a possible origin of the word Pākehā, used to refer to Europeans.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...


So, no hard evidence?

But Wiki doesn't mean that info is true and correct. This obviously is a political situation and those in charge will make it appear as they wish.

a reply to: Aliensun

Yep that's pretty much the guts of it man,pretty sad really,as it is our history that's been hidden to further a greedy agenda,from claiming the seabed and foreshore to continual payouts from the government,to trying to claim ownership to the water.....so much for the last sentence in the treaty " now we are one peoples".

a reply to: ancienthistorian

I watched and was enthralled by the full, first video. It is both thrilling and sad that story that is pesented, the determination of the remnants of the earlier people and the snuffing-out efforts of governmental controlled sciences. But other sciences, such as the tracking of DNA seems to have won the game, giving indisputable evidence of the true history of early New Zealand.

Actually, this first video, which is excellently done, gives us a broad view of how the entire South Americas were populated by various interconnected peoples. Early history of that part of the world is far from being as simple as most of us had assumed.

Take a deserved relaxing break from the ordinary and watch how common people subvert the twisted will of politics by simply telling their folk stories backed with DNA evidence.