Trump Healthcare Vote Withdrawn

a reply to: SBMcG

There's that pesky General Welfare Clause...

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SBMcG

There's that pesky General Welfare Clause...

That has nothing to do with the Federal government funding healthcare.

Quite the opposite, actually...

The "General Welfare" Clause

originally posted by: carewemust
Now it's time for the Senate Republicans to whither up and die, when big bad Chuck Schumer and his UNITED Democrat colleagues Filibuster Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch.

I think they should save this filibuster and choose their battles, not just copy the GOP in obstructing every single move by the opposition President. I don't think the current system of everyone in one party obstructing every single thing the other party puts out there is for the best for us all, in the long run. Gorsuch appears to be a very ethical judge and as impartial as anyone can be expected to be, and replaced a conservative with another conservative, so it doesn't really change the balance of power. I know everyone is pissed because the Republicans refused to have even a hearing on Merrick Garland, but I think the Dems should go ahead and approve the Gorsuch nomination. We should save our energy for the bigger fights.

All they needed to do is remove the stupid individual insurance mandate and tax penalty and the system will come crashing down...

What? I thought Mr.Art Of The Deal had this in the bag.Ryan clearly thought so as well.Now,this administration will never have neither a domestic or a foreign policy victory and it's all trump's fault.

a reply to: SBMcG

First, most people already do have other people pay for their health insurance, i.e. their employer pays 50% or more. Second, if you are paying Medicare taxes and the net investment taxes, you are paying for others health insurance. I am a business owner, I have paid approximately $1.5M of taxes the last 5 years. Our firm has paid ~750,000 of our employees medical insurance premiums each of the last 5 years, of which my share of that is $50,000, i.e. I am one of 15 equal owners. Most of these professionals for whom we pay share make $60,000 - $80,000 per year and would really struggle if we did not pick up the portion that we do, which is about 75%. The truth is most aging people don't make enough to pay for their late life health care. As much as I have made, I might not have a enough.

I would suggest the following changes to Obamacare;

1 Keep the individual mandate, but get rid of the employer mandate.
2. Limit insurance liability of the insurance companies to $100,000 per person. Claims in excess of that would be reinsured with the federal government. The effect of that would be that someone who has cancer and is wracking up huge claims, effectively becomes a ward of the federal government. If someone doesn't like the treatments for cancer or other, they can buy their own supplemental policy.
3. Define the amount of end of life care that will be paid for by individuals and the government. By that, I mean someone who is in a nursing home with Alzheimers or dementia or some similar situation, we are essentially going to provide minimal care and let them die unless the family can pay.

The effect of these proposals is this, 1, we force people into the system so they don't seek and obtain free care when they are sick because we won't let them die. Point 2 should dramatically decrease the cost of health care insurance as the insurance company's risk is capped. If you want supplemental insurance buy it. Also, it should help businesses as their costs will go down. Point 3, as a society, we are going to have to understand we can't afford to keep people who are effectively terminally ill alive for many years. If a family wants to pay for it, fine. If not, society is going to have to learn to let go of family members that are effectively terminally ill.

If we repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing, people who get sick and are uninsured will still get care, the costs they can't pay will roll back into everyone else's cost structure and premiums. We will still have high premiums and we will keep the terminally ill alive at great cost to society. With a growing aging population, this will just get worse. My ideas, will cut costs, provide care for everyone, while making some tough end of life decisions. After watching 2 grand parents die of Alzheimers, it is hard to imagine they gained anything out of the last 2 years of their life...

a reply to: dougie6665
1) My state does that.
2) Good idea but the threshold is too low.
3) Right direction, but thin ice on some aspects. Would hospice be included?

if the spineless GOP doesn`t do something about obamacare by the 2018 mid term elections they will lose control of the house and senate and then trump will be in a world of $hit.
The democrats will rejoice and think they won because the people support their agenda when in reality it will just be a vote against the GOP not a vote for the democrats.
4 years of bitching about obamacare and now they are given carte blanch to do whatever they want with it and they chicken out.They talk the talk but they are too spineless to walk the walk,well they will be walking after the 2018 mid terms.
The next time they start bitching about something the democrats did or are doing I hope they get bitch slapped hard because that`s all they are, a bunch of spineless whiny bitches.

a reply to: Tardacus

The democrats will rejoice and think they won because the people support their agenda when in reality it will just be a vote against the GOP not a vote for the democrats.

Sort of like the votes "for" Trump?

originally posted by: Tardacus
if the spineless GOP doesn`t do something about obamacare by the 2018 mid term elections they will lose control of the house and senate and then trump will be in a world of $hit.
The democrats will rejoice and think they won because the people support their agenda when in reality it will just be a vote against the GOP not a vote for the democrats.
4 years of bitching about obamacare and now they are given carte blanch to do whatever they want with it and they chicken out.They talk the talk but they are too spineless to walk the walk,well they will be walking after the 2018 mid terms.
The next time they start bitching about something the democrats did or are doing I hope they get bitch slapped hard because that`s all they are, a bunch of spineless whiny bitches.

Don't expect them to save Donie's ass if these investigations lead to him being removed from office.

a reply to: gwynnhwyfar

A very good and thoughtful post, GwynnHwyfar. Thank-you!

a reply to: SBMcG

Your link is biased crap. Really, the clause is interpreted by the people... by who we send to Congress and what we address in our town halls. It sounds to me like the people want some kind of universal healthcare plan and now that some Conservatives understand that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, they aren't so set on getting rid of it.

originally posted by: ATSAlex
All they needed to do is remove the stupid individual insurance mandate and tax penalty and the system will come crashing down...

Which would accomplish what other than bankrupting the insurance industry?

Insurance, Government, Business, Individuals - makes no difference how current cost is divided up - one form of bankruptcy or rationing will be result.

Pie in sky dreaming going on by public to believe ANY form of legislation will resolve the problem.

The problem is cost on front end period.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: blackrabbit1
So......What promises has he managed to deliver on to date?

I think he got rid of TTP if I am not mistaken, which is a good thing.. IMO.
#StillnoloveforTrump.

TTP fell apart, partly as fallout from the Brexit vote.

Let's see.. what is next month.. the wall perhaps? Heck, he'll be done fulfilling all his campaign promises in a few months at this rate! Well.. or they will all fail because they were rushed through without applying some critical thinking. I'm unsure what their administration is trying to prove by moving things so quickly, but it's doomed to failure if they keep it up.

Americans didn't want Obamacare. We got it anyways. Americans didn't want Ryancare. We didn't get it.

It's good to see the government actually work for a change.

a reply to: Konduit

Yes you are spot on! one took 18 months to implement, another tried for 18 days and then gave up.
One tried to provide affordable coverage, the other removed coverage.

originally posted by: ATSAlex
All they needed to do is remove the stupid individual insurance mandate and tax penalty and the system will come crashing down...

Thought I'd drop this in... theconservativetreehouse.com...-130467

originally posted by: Konduit
Americans didn't want Obamacare. We got it anyways. Americans didn't want Ryancare. We didn't get it.

It's good to see the government actually work for a change.

This is absolutely 100% correct. The only people who really wanted Obamacare were those who wanted someone else to pay for their healthcare.

Guess who those poor, oppressed, underprivileged supposed 24 million folks are who wold lose coverage as the result of a Barrycare repeal?

Yep. The vast majority are getting it for free!

Without a doubt, I love me some Trump -- I have never in my life had a national candidate whose politics so closely matched my own, but I have always disagreed with his "repeal and replace" strategy.

America needs to learn a lesson.

Time after time after time the same pattern repeats. Leftists get into power for a couple of election cycles, massively screw things up, and then leave the mess for Republicans to fix. Ironically, as with the 2008 housing/mortgage collapse that was 100% the fault of liberals in Congress, Repub's end up getting blamed for it.

I want Obamacare to collapse. I want America to see the true and final outcome of all things leftist. Trump is a master communicator. As Barrycare goes through its death throes, he could document the decline like he was tweeting about a dying Aunt.

Then as the last exchanges collapse and last companies pull out, Trump could hold a rally and remind Americans of the 219 leftists in the House -- especially the utterly vile ditz Nancy Pelosi, the disgusting liar Harry Reid and his 60 dwarfs, and of course the "fundamental transformer" himself -- Barack "Barry" Hussein Obama. Not one Republican patriot voted for this pig, Obamacare!

Remind them all so that we NEVER forget the face of true liberalism!

There are actually several positives that have come out of the Obamacare boondoggle, chief among them, the destruction of the Obama presidency. After 2010, Americans had seen enough and began to systematically take power away from the leftists. Obama himself barely hung on in 2012 and only because the GOP candidate was a Mormon and millions of Evangelicals didn't vote. His socialist agenda was stopped dead.

The bottom line is, there is no Constitutional provision or grant of authority for the Federal government to provide taxpayer-funded healthcare. If the citizens of a state wish to enact a comprehensive single-payer system in that state, they are perfectly empowered to do so per the 10th Amendment.

This constitutional republic was never meant to be a socialist state. That's why universal government-controlled healthcare will never happen here.

Unless the leftists can fulfill their ultimate goal of repealing the Constitution itself...