Mystery of the Lost 35 Foot Granite Disc-Cutter Used in Ancient Egypt

a reply to: Marduk

Yes, you are right, it probably cannot withstand great force. Perhaps it was a model for something that would be made from copper or bronze... Certainly a mysterious object.

Ask Greece. You know what happens when you lend tools to neighbors.

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

the part that baffles my mind is how they lost the knowledge, were they taken over by barbarians with lesser technology? did they go through a sort of "idiocracy" caused by inbreeding or other reason? have any blueprints, plans, lists of supplies, employee time cards or architectural drafts ever been found? what kind of technology or knowledge of how the pyramids were created was around at the time of the greeks or romans in egypt?

i have a million questions!!!

a breath of fresh air and a fascinating thread op!!

The flow of the Nile changed. The whole Ancient
Egyptian empire was built around the North and South of the Nile. There's a theory that there were two Sphinxes that guarded the entrance to the Nile. One became list in flooding.

There isn't an "entrance to the Nile." The Nile is a hue delta and it shifts constantly over the centuries. We even have maps of how the river and the delta shifted.

There's no second sphinx guarding anything.

They needed granaries to maintain a constant food supply along with a steady supply of meat for the pyramid builders. Their schedule was four hours morning, break at high noon, work another four hours. If that food supply was disrupted there would be no work.

Actually, their food chains were more complicated than that and it was pretty hard to disrupt the flow, since they were not doing a "just in time" process but built up the supplies during the year and particularly when the workforce was smaller.

It would be easy to grind two stones on wooden rollers against each other.

There is not much wood in Egypt, and what there is tends to be small diameter trees or palm trees (that can't bear weight and tend to crush quickly. They used sleds, but not rollers (also, wheels don't work in sand. Sleds do.)

a reply to: Byrd

Can it be proven exactly where the water's edge of the Nile would have been when the great pyramid had been built?
I had heard speculation that there was water erosion in some of the lower blocks of the great pyramid, but I do not think that is mainstream science. The Sphinx has alluvial erosion, from what is probably proven as caused by rainwater.

a reply to: charlyv

Yes, the course of the nile, during the construction of the GP is well documented.
I believe that the fish mongers district for the workers camp was riverside, which would make sense. It could seat a couple thousand people at a time, an we know people were cooking and eating fish there, because we find the bones by billions.
And you know what fish bones are good for? Dating materials, there are lots of them, and after the species is identified, they really arent of much value.
So you can burn up lots of samples and that drives down the margin of error.

In ancient Egypt (about 3500 years ago) bonding was even a profession: the occupation of adhesive-maker was born (Kellopsos). The art of boiling glue which the ancient Egyptians had developed was later taken up by the Greeks and Romans.

Source: Adhesives.org

Take twine, rope and dip it in the adhesives and then roll it in quartz sand... I bet you could cut a granite block with it, but would certainly take time and certainly a lot of hard work. Perhaps the rope would be between 2 giant wooden pully wheels... wonder if any of that was investigated, as it seems plausible, albeit for straight cuts only...

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: jeep3r

Bottom line is. The concave nature of this slab did not come from a straight saw.
Something like that could easily be made with a pendulum and a roller. Who knows.
But it was not something made of metal.

I work with metal everyday, even just something as simple as 80ksi on 100ksi makes a huge difference.
I doubt the Egyptians knew much about metallurgy to make compound mild steels and alloys beyond what they had readily available.
Copper and bronze would just simply flake, dent, etc on stone like that.

That curve didn't make sense to me either. Would a high preasure water cutter mixed with abrasive create the curve if the nozle wasnt perfect (aka spray is wider when more distant from nozzle). If they couldn't achieve pressure by delivering water from greater height perhaps they had a way to compress water using weights. No idea if copper could withstand the pressures needed though.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

the part that baffles my mind is how they lost the knowledge, were they taken over by barbarians with lesser technology? did they go through a sort of "idiocracy" caused by inbreeding or other reason? have any blueprints, plans, lists of supplies, employee time cards or architectural drafts ever been found? what kind of technology or knowledge of how the pyramids were created was around at the time of the greeks or romans in egypt?

i have a million questions!!!

a breath of fresh air and a fascinating thread op!!

The civilization collapsed, twice. By the time the Greeks conquered it, no one could read the hieroglyphs. I think it's more impressive that an entire civilization rose their and collapsed and a second civilization grew there and collapsed before modern history began.

The only mystery is why we are told the Egyptians were bronze age and defeated by sticks and stones. Well that's not a mystery either really.

Doubtful the giant man-powered oscillators were attached to 35 ft disks, its likely the cuts taken were under the weight of the disc, they start in the middle and work outwards, shallower as the cut progresses, as this creates less surface area for sequential cuts with the dulled blade. Its easier to sand a crest than a trough, so the first cut is almost sacrificial to make the last 2/3 easier work. Heat, lubricant, water, artificialy modified resonance, who knows what methods assisted in this process.

Maybe they just had stronger materials than we are led to believe. The identification of time periods by the strength of metal supposedly available automatically seemed fishy to me as an innocent child full of dumbs ideas that society always attempts to wash out with proaction.(why is Egypt the focal point ofAmerican history class anyway?)




Technological ruins are always gutted of machinery, not grave robbed exactly, before reveal. Libraries are looted for knowledge before being burned and lost forever (to the common man). Knowledge is power. All this ancient work is surely well known to the gatekeepers of the past. I suspect Rome knows everything we ponder of the past.

originally posted by: anotheramethyst

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

the part that baffles my mind is how they lost the knowledge, were they taken over by barbarians with lesser technology? did they go through a sort of "idiocracy" caused by inbreeding or other reason? have any blueprints, plans, lists of supplies, employee time cards or architectural drafts ever been found? what kind of technology or knowledge of how the pyramids were created was around at the time of the greeks or romans in egypt?

i have a million questions!!!

a breath of fresh air and a fascinating thread op!!

The civilization collapsed, twice. By the time the Greeks conquered it, no one could read the hieroglyphs. I think it's more impressive that an entire civilization rose their and collapsed and a second civilization grew there and collapsed before modern history began.

The civilization didn't collapse twice. It went through two periods where the land was ruled by non-Egyptians (the Persians an then the Greeks) and by the time the Greeks took over (300 BC) they were still reading and writing hieroglyphs. They would continue to do so for the next 600 years (last reader of hieroglyphs died in 350 AD... not BC.)

Conquerors came into Egypt and tended to leave things as they were because the country had such an efficient administration. Outside groups who took over rule (Nubians, Persians, Greeks) tended to glamorize the culture and then ended up adopting a lot of the Egyptian mannerisms and habits themselves.

originally posted by: BigBangWasAnEcho
The only mystery is why we are told the Egyptians were bronze age and defeated by sticks and stones. Well that's not a mystery either really.

When was this? Bronze Age Egypt conquered a lot of the Middle East and held onto it until the late New Kingdom.

Maybe they just had stronger materials than we are led to believe. The identification of time periods by the strength of metal supposedly available automatically seemed fishy to me as an innocent child full of dumbs ideas that society always attempts to wash out with proaction.

Well, we've got a lot of their tools and other things (statues) made from metals. All we have to do is analyze the metals and there's the answer.

originally posted by: 2Faced
There's a man called Brien Foerster who has some pretty plausible theories about this subject.
Brien Foerster youtube channel - must watch

a reply to: jeep3r

I love Brien Foerster! I have all his books and am friends with him on facebook. I love his posts! I don't always agree with him but I find his work amazing. People love to hate on him because he doesn't have any fancy titles after his name but the fact is this man has dedicated his life to such topics! IMO that makes him credible, moreso than mainstream archaeologists. If I could afford it I would go on one of his tours through South America! I mean who better to visit ancient sites with than someone who has spent decades on such subjects!

a reply to: jeep3r

Awesome thread!!! This is why I still come to ATS
I have always enjoyed your threads.

I saw this recently in a Facebook group. I thought of it when I saw your post. It is from a video of the Cairo museum. There is nothing that goes along with the picture, no description in the museum, just the items. Thoughts?



On a side note I worked with a girl from Egypt and I use to love picking her brain with these topics. She told me that many Egyptians don't believe what mainstream media puts out and when I asked her about the pyramids and technology she said that according to their family and what has been passed down that the Egyptians had all kinds of advanced technology but not like what we have. We even discussed the pyramids and their age and purpose, guess what she doesn't believe they were tombs either but sources of ENERGY or POWER and they are older than we are led to believe. I use to LOVE chatting with her. If I ever make it to Egypt I have a place to stay, her place! Her family won a lottery in Egypt about 16 years ago and came to the states. I had no idea there were such lotteries by the states! They still have family there and go back when time allows. She has two successful businesses and is the sweetest person I have ever worked with. She was shocked at my love and interest in her country. The moment I found out she was Egyptian my jaw dropped and I told her my interests and if it would be OK if I asked her some questions.

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a reply to: mblahnikluver

This is the picture I asked about.

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
a reply to: mblahnikluver

This is the picture I asked about.

What about them? These appear to be fairly modern metal gears (cast, I think, rather than cut.)

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
a reply to: mblahnikluver

This is the picture I asked about.

Ancient egyptian cog wheels... hmmm, difficult to say something about it without further information or context. It also strikes me as strange that, if they are on display at the Cairo Museum, why wouldn't they provide any further details.

I did a quick search on ATS and found that these have been discussed before in this thread (starting page 13). Would be great if anyone on here could enlighten us about the use of gears and cog wheels in ancient egypt.

a reply to: jeep3r


Yea the page I saw them on found them in a video of the Cario Musem. There was no description as to what they were according to who posted them. I had never seen them before myself. Not sure what a cog wheel is!

originally posted by: jeep3r

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
a reply to: mblahnikluver

This is the picture I asked about.

Ancient egyptian cog wheels... hmmm, difficult to say something about it without further information or context. It also strikes me as strange that, if they are on display at the Cairo Museum, why wouldn't they provide any further details.

I did a quick search on ATS and found that these have been discussed before in this thread (starting page 13). Would be great if anyone on here could enlighten us about the use of gears and cog wheels in ancient egypt.

The Egyptian Museum contains many artifacts from all throughout Egypt's long history.
If these things are in that museum, that is not an indication that they are truly ancient. Could be they're Roman or even Medieval.

Harte