Orwell predicted Pornography as a mass control mechanism in "1984"

AND, I just got censored and had a thread deleted about sexbots, I guess on the word or link alone. Or maybe it's just because of the idea.

Monogamy is a myth to begin with, and it definitely isn't for everyone.

I wonder if the power of porn is due solely to our admonishment of it?

What is so wrong with pictures of the human body? What is so wrong with the act of intercourse?

Maybe we are creating a boogeyman where there is no need for one.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Revolution9

No dig implied though. Orwell also didnt like pornography because he was a old fuddy duddy. And one mans porn is another mans art.

An interesting thing, many people will feel it is wrong to go to the strip club and watch strippers but if you photograph the same strippers and put them in a book they feel it is ok.

If you watched a couple having sex but out of their view is that ok? The movies present you with real people in such a way and that is ok.

When thought about deeply each form of pornography leads back to something worse than the person watching will admit too.

I can't see how a deep thinker would "like" porn of any type.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

When thought about deeply each form of pornography leads back to something worse than the person watching will admit too.

I have viewed this from every angle possible and maybe I am just ignorant, but could you describe what is worse ?

a reply to: SeaWorthy

And now there is VR porn, and the fundies are rioting.......

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: SeaWorthy

When thought about deeply each form of pornography leads back to something worse than the person watching will admit too.

I have viewed this from every angle possible and maybe I am just ignorant, but could you describe what is worse ?

Think about the total, what you see how did each individual get involved in making the porn what age were they when they got involved, was their courson, drugs mental instability, who produces the porn? Are you supporting a group who makes the porn that are like these guys?
en.wikipedia.org...
Are you supporting pain and loss? If a person is supporting the industry they should know what it is about.Many are self produced with people's own children the unwilling stars.
(grabbed the first two examples on porn production and abuse)

Performers are sometimes forced or coerced during the production of mainstream pornography.

stoptraffickingdemand.com...

Violent Child Abuser and Child Pornography Producer Sentenced

archives.fbi.gov...

I believe it destroys real love and removes the bond from marriage no less than infidelity does. The goal is to strengthen that love and lasting bond with respect for one another and respect for your bodies.

a reply to: Revolution9

The best adaption of 1984 is the BBC TV production from 1954 with Peter Cushing as Winston Smith. Well worth a watch.

The whole production was transmitted " live "

a reply to: SeaWorthy

I could use the same arguments against the financial industry. Do the people that strive to put themselves into those employment positions realize how much of their soul they will need to sell for that paycheck? There are a lot of industries that are harmful to a person's morals. Should anything that possesses any potential for corruption or abuse be outlawed?

I do agree that there is a potential for terrible abuse in the porn industry, almost as many dangers as life itself. But there are a lot of people that enter this industry with free will. What would your argument be toward porn if there was no abuse or corruption in the production of this product? (fantasy land, I know)

I see the argument against porn via harming the family unit quite a bit recently. What about the relationships that thrive with a mature response to porn in which both of the partners enjoy that material? Was our marital system structurally sound before widespread access to nude imagery? I would hesitate to use pre 70s marital examples because a lot of those relationships persisted simply because of the societal discrimination against separation.

What about the 'romance' novels out there? Is porn in the written form better and safer?

(I love your formatting expertise. I need to climb out of the dark ages one of these days.)

1984 accurately predicted North Korea.

I see many on here complaining about porn involving the abuse of some people, but what about the porn that is completely CGI?

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: yuppa

Oh, that's ok then. I understand where you are coming from.

You mean kind of like he was a tool to "out" the troublemakers like you and I? It does that, too, I guess.

It is a great reference point. I expect it will begin to look more and more archaic as time goes by, but in our time we can see clearly the apparatus of state and some rather scary and clandestine accurate comparisons with an imagined control freak dystopian nightmare authoritarian prison WORLD (that should raise a few eyebrows at least), not just one state. They are all in on it in "1984". There is no escape and individuality, privacy, autonomy, freedom, sentient sexuality, are abolished from reality forever.

I am not against pornography. I did not say that. I am guilty of conforming, too. In the novel Winston is, too. I even regard my marijuana consumption as the cheap gin slumber drug in "1984". We are all in that Matrix to some degree now except Grizzly Adams if he still exists, lol.

Im glad ya caught it. Yep we pretty much agree.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Welll POrn is just acting really. they dont really love each other most of the time. Its just performance acting depicting various sexual actions or fetishes people are too afraid to do themselves.

And Le tme tell you a secret on most Anal scenes. they clean those butts really really well,unless you get those other vids of the same subject.

originally posted by: phatkhat
I see many on here complaining about porn involving the abuse of some people, but what about the porn that is completely CGI?

No one in legit porn is being forced to do anything they didnt sign up for. Some people just like to screw on cam and th emoney is a side benefit. All jobs have abuse in them from time to time.

IMHO.....The prevalence of porn will serve to disarm it....in the long run.

Apparently Orwell's 1984 is not as original as one might think. A friend of mine let me borrow a book written by a Russian author called 'WE' admittedly I didn't finish it because it was a bit clunky to read compared to 1984 but it had many similar themes and I could see where Orwell got his ideas for 1984. I would not say he out right plagiarized 'WE" but he did borrow heavily from it as an influence.

In January 1946, George Orwell published a review of a fairly obscure Russian novel titled We, by Yevgeny Zamyatin, in the Tribune. Originally released in New York in 1921 after being banned prior to publication in Russia, We had recently been translated into French, in which Orwell was fluent. As the recent author of Animal Farm and a writer for whom fiction and politics belonged together, Orwell seemed a natural choice to examine this dystopian work. We tells the story of D-503, a man living in a dystopian city of the future in which people no longer have Christian names and are known instead by a letter followed by a series of numbers. In this city, citizens are subjected to constant surveillance by a branch of government called the Bureau of Guardians, with an all-powerful leader called the Well-Doer ("the Benefactor" in some translations). At a point early on, D-503 notices a particular woman showing up wherever he goes. Filled with suspicion, he first hates her, but soon falls in love with her. She inspires him to commit acts of rebellion against the state.

WE: the novel that Inspired 1984

I still have not figured out if Orwell was warning us or mocking us.

originally posted by: incoserv
I still have not figured out if Orwell was warning us or mocking us.

I imagine mocking actually.

His imagination conjured up "kaleidoscopes", "telescreens", "versificator(s)"

I've always thought that his kaleidoscopes are similar to modern smart phones (android, iphone), telescreens similiar to our smart TVs, and versificator as a virtual reality head mounted display - VR even fits.

Whats more fun to me is picturing 2084; where devices are installed at birth, or even while still in the womb - or even a gland that is a biologically manufactured virus/mutation/cancer and is forever genetically passed down - that links all mankind into an inescapable collective consciousness where the ideas of security and privacy are such an impossibility the words for such ideas no longer exist in any consciousness. A gland that is both able to transmit and receive radio waves just as the radios in a cell phone - with a bandwidth so capable that all inner dialogue of everyone on the network is heard in real time. The very act of speaking becomes a thing of the past. Lying is impossible. Deception is impossible. Privacy is impossible. Secrecy is impossible. And at the end of the day, the collective dictates your actions ending the idea of free will. Born into a willful subjugation, but a subjugation that is impossible to deny or even detest. A cog created by the collective mind, for the collective mind, and individuality - even the very thought of individuality - snuffed even before conception. Ants marching forever.

Enjoy free will while it lasts.

originally posted by: FamCore

originally posted by: yuppa
Orwell was another means of controlling the people. And apparently its been very successfull.

What do you mean by this? Orwell's literature is meant to dishearten and discourage us "citizens of the future"? To make us believe that there is no hope for a better world?

Can you please explain what you mean?

I think that it wasnt sex porn.. it was DOOM PORN... disheartening and discouraging the citizens.

a reply to: Revolution9

excellent reminder, and lets toss in the first few pages...where our hero hides from his TV, which watches him....Note that Vizio and Samsung have been identified as providing watcher services to the elite, Vizio paying a 22 million fine. The book was written before a single tv was on the shelf, though i believe Philco had developed the technology.