Israel Intercepts Syrian Missile Fired at IAF Fighter Jet With Arrow-3 After Bombing Inside Syria

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: worldstarcountry

The odds are actually pretty good in my opinion that what they actually intercepted was a ballistic missile, and not a SAM. But if they come out and say that it was, it backs people into a corner. If they pretend it was a SAM, everyone can overlook it.

That makes alot of sense actually. but those SAMs do have a long range too So who really knows.

a reply to: yuppa

Sure they do, but like any missile the longer the range, the lower the Pk. A SAM fired at a target 200 miles away is going to have a lower Pk than one fired at a target 50 miles away. And there is still the small engagement envelope, even at a SAM fired at long range. And this would be extreme ranges for the interceptor. You'd be lucky to even get to the target area before the SAM either hit, or missed and blew up.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: yuppa

Sure they do, but like any missile the longer the range, the lower the Pk. A SAM fired at a target 200 miles away is going to have a lower Pk than one fired at a target 50 miles away. And there is still the small engagement envelope, even at a SAM fired at long range. And this would be extreme ranges for the interceptor. You'd be lucky to even get to the target area before the SAM either hit, or missed and blew up.

Oh yeah i forgot the kill basket shrinks alot th e further out you go. isnt there a equation for that btw?

a reply to: yuppa

I'm pretty sure there is, but math like that makes my brain hurt.

a reply to: DarkPalSFO

prior to Russia's involvement, Israel would have had no issues taking on the Syrian army. The equipment was very outdated. But they have been getting modernized now, and are gaining more experience too. Maybe Russia just gave Syria the go ahead to send a message.
"no more air strikes, or we will start attacking your bases/cities ???"

One BM could be intercepted sure. But one was just a warning maybe, as to let them know if this keeps up they will lunch a barrage???

a reply to: worldstarcountry

They still would be able to take them on. They may not be the pushover that they once were, but Israel has the experience, and the equipment to do it. But now, with Russia being right there in Syria, and with other things going on in the Middle East, it's a bad time to try to. There's far too much chance of someone either hitting the wrong target, or someone overreacting and it all blowing up if Israel is involved.

a reply to: Zaphod58

True. But you have to factor in that Hezbollah is also receiving some of those weapons and tech, and if they do make a strike on Syria, they will have to deal with their rivals on the North border as well using newer rockets and drones to attack Israeli cities.

Could they still win today without Russia being a factor, most likely. But the cost will be much higher than it would have been years ago just due to the proliferation of the kind of weapons that have flooded the rebel landscape. Think of all those ATGM that are all over the place now. I have no doubt the Hez have been scooping up everything they can scavenge out there including the TOW's, GRADS and smaller multiple launch rocket systems.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

That's one of the reasons that Israel is buying just about everything they can get their hands on, like the F-35, and improved F-15s. It would hurt more, but Israel would pay the price if they felt it was necessary. I'm not a fan of their government, but have great respect for their military capabilities. If they decide it's time to do something, they're going to do it, and damn the cost.

a reply to: Zaphod58

would they use a nuke?? I often wondered if they would be crazy enough ...

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Probably not IMO. If they thought they could beat them conventionally, they would I think. If they use a nuke, and there's not a damn good reason to, such as being hit with chemical weapons or a nuke, then they'd really become the pariah of the world.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Zaphod58

would they use a nuke?? I often wondered if they would be crazy enough ...

There was a story that Israel had one loaded on a airplane during that last war(the big ones) And recalled it before it reached its Target drop point.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: worldstarcountry

That's one of the reasons that Israel is buying just about everything they can get their hands on, like the F-35, and improved F-15s. It would hurt more, but Israel would pay the price if they felt it was necessary. I'm not a fan of their government, but have great respect for their military capabilities. If they decide it's time to do something, they're going to do it, and damn the cost.

Yeah damn the cost we will just ask normal americans for billions in aid while our dual us/israeli citizens make up half of the top 1 percent of wealthiest people in america which we will use them to pay for lobby groups that will bribe american government to fund our genocide on our neighbors. But damn the cost because we are not paying for it!

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Zaphod58

would they use a nuke?? I often wondered if they would be crazy enough ...

There was a story that Israel had one loaded on a airplane during that last war(the big ones) And recalled it before it reached its Target drop point.

The only thing thats stopping them is the UN as america and england would bend over backwards to side with Israel if they nuked anyone.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Zaphod58

you don't think Iron Dome could have done it??? They use Patriots right??

All three Patriot, Arrow. and Iron Dome system, can be controlled from the same radar/C2.
And they are working on integrating a 30mm gun system like the EUs goalkeeper system into it for a self protected anti missile system that is protected from High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles like the US uses to take out SAM site.
www.navweaps.com...

a reply to: ANNED

I am big fan of CIWS, I think they should be EVERYWHERE!
Also, I don't believe Israel actually lost a jet. They never DO!

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: ANNED

I am big fan of CIWS, I think they should be EVERYWHERE!
Also, I don't believe Israel actually lost a jet. They never DO!

And the syrians have a claim of shooting down something that never happenned liek a B2 claimed by serbians. and the f-117 was due to negligence and a observant missile commander.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I have it on good authority zaph, that there will be activity before summer arrives.

Same source answered my same question about chemical weapons, the answer - If a chemical weapon hits Israel, there will be no ME left.

We shall have to wait n see!

a reply to: yuppa
Regardless of the hows or why an F-117 was shot down, they shot it down

But the same week this Jet was claimed to have been shot down, they announced they successfully tested the Arrow 3. So either the arrow 3 hit a test target, or they knocked down an enemy ballistic missile that was sent their way in retaliation to the bombing, which is being kept quiet. They have a recent update discussing whether it was even necessary, as well s speculation it was the Arrow 2 and not 3.

JPost
The Syrians claimed that one Israeli jet had been shot down and another damaged by SA-5 missiles, which was denied by the IDF, but the army did confirm the first use of Israel’s defense system to intercept a missile in the Jordan Valley.

The air force is investigating whether or not the use of Arrow was necessary given that the system was designed to intercept much larger and significant missiles, but was still used to successfully shoot down the Syrian projectile.

Former prime minister and defense minister Ehud Barak also questioned the use of the system on Saturday at a lecture in Beersheba saying “it could be that with more thorough thought, it wasn’t worth firing.”

But according to Rubin, the Arrow “was designed exactly” for what it was used for on Friday.

While the army has refused to clarify which system was used during the incident, Rubin told the Post that he believed it was the Arrow-2 system and not the Arrow-3.

“The system has changed since I left but the Arrow-3 system is too new” to have been used already, Rubin said.

“It was clear to us and clear to the United States, who gave us financial support for the project, that there was a need for the system. It was essential for the security of the State of Israel.”

It seems that everyone there has their own details to give, and at this point there is no telling what the real story is?? How can it be possible that there is such conflict in the official line, and even debate about the necessity of it for this instance?? I find this entire fiasco to be a bit unnerving as nobody can seem to get their story on the same page.

Also, this: Israel “will not hesitate” to destroy Syria’s air defense systems if that country ever again targets IAF jet fighters, Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman threatened on Sunday.

Ohh, sounds like a dare. Lets see how long before Israel compromises their air space again and goes forward with their promise. I say promise because Israel does not issue threats, they issue guarantees!

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Any stealth can be shot down. It just makes it a whole lot harder to do.

That just confirms it was a ballistic missile imo. Arrow was designed to stop ballistic missiles, and if it was used exactly as it was designed, then it was used to stop an incoming missile.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Interesting. I ponder if the intent was to retaliate on the airbase the jets deployed from?? As well, Israeli capabilities equal USA capabilities. For some strange reason, there is this gut feeling that part of this was a message to North Korea.

The big threat of NK is its ballistic missiles with potential nuclear payload. But basically, ballistic missile. They are completely surrounded by American technology. A related piece which just proved itself in a close proximity defense scenario over in Israel kind of sends a warning I think.

“It was clear to us and clear to the United States, who gave us financial support for the project, that there was a need for the system. It was essential for the security of the State of Israel.”